When pt is involved what do u do?

[Frankie Fine]

Originally Posted by poplips

I did not mean to say that providing itself is universally an addiction. I meant to ask specifically with very low esteem or none at all people they may view men paying them for sex as a way to define their worth and that's what I meant by the addiction. Maybe this is more true for pt providers. But what I do want to ask the providers here, because some women that have expressed their views on this and think it shameful and degrading, is it really a shameless profession or what is it about the trade for those who provide and for those that seek it that marks as degenerates and lowlifes? The same is true for pornstars. Why is their trade acceptable and not the ones who remain off camera? I try to not judge myself too harshly when I see a provider but the pt ones do weigh on my mind. They say if they're hooking they're using but like FF said not all are PTs. The ones in Canada may not all be PTs. And why is the lore about providers always that they turn to pt as a way to repair their souls. I get conflicting views. I was talking to pt provider in Buffalo while she was high that she is jaded by the trade and had no place and goes in and out of jail for pt. She's only 35 with 4 kids. The last one by a john and adopted and hooked on pt because she couldn't stop. If a provider cannot stop using when she knows she's pregnant makes me understand how powerful that addiction is. So knowing this pt providers will definitely weigh on my mind. Is this something they would willingly do if they were free of pt ? I don't know for sure what is out there more of the pt provider or the stable educated provider who likes what she's doing and will do this for the rest of her life cuz it's fun and delightful. Or it's a temporary thing until they earn enough cash for something new in their lives. I truly do not know.

Everyone is obviously different..

You started this thread about an sp just out of rehab?! You are asking if "when pt is involved, would an sp do this without it?" Plus I think you are wondering if an sp who needed rehab for pt "if going back to sp means she's going back to pt"? Or "is the sp addicted to something she gets out of the sp scene"?!

I am thinking rehab is good. She needs to work, being an sp might be her only option right now. She may put her money to constructive resources now after rehab. Time will tell. The last thing she probably needs is someone judging her and doubting her after she has made an effort in the right direction.

If I was coming out of rehab and attempting to resolve my problems, I would put anyone outside on the curb who doubted me and was less then supportive.

[Justin Heranus]

Originally Posted by Frankie Fine

Everyone is obviously different..

You started this thread about an sp just out of rehab?! You are asking if "when pt is involved, would an sp do this without it?" Plus I think you are wondering if an sp who needed rehab for pt "if going back to sp means she's going back to pt"? Or "is the sp addicted to something she gets out of the sp scene"?!

I am thinking rehab is good. She needs to work, being an sp might be her only option right now. She may put her money to constructive resources now after rehab. Time will tell. The last thing she probably needs is someone judging her and doubting her after she has made an effort in the right direction.

If I was coming out of rehab and attempting to resolve my problems, I would put anyone outside on the curb who doubted me and was less then supportive.

Some very good questions and I have to agree with you. I have never had any PT issues, the closest thing I had was trying to quit smoking. I know they are two very separate issues, but would be similar with the support thing. I had one friend when I was trying to quit that would always throw back in my face that I even took up smoking and how bad it was for me. He was not a very supportive person and I pushed him to the side because frankly it was annoying. On the other hand I had a female trying to be supportive of me trying to quit smoking. The down fall was she kept subconsciously mentioning smoking, cigarettes and stuff like that over and over through out a conversation. Even though she was trying to be supportive, after 5 minutes of talking with her I was dying to have a cigarette. So long story made short. If you wanted to you can be supportive. Be cautious and aware of things though. Every one is different and handle every thing differently. You may be the person with good intentions and be supportive, but might mention some thing like "I am proud of you that you are kicking this and doing a great job!". To some they may take that a a compliment and others might view it as you throwing it back into their face. Another thing to keep in mind is us guys are "fixers". We get told some thing or hear some thing and it is in our nature to want to help or fix it. Females on the other hand some times just want to talk about things and basically vent. They are not looking for anyone to "fix it" or anything in that nature. So if you want to truly help her, let her talk and be the "priest" type person. Listen to what she has to say and don't give advise or try to fix anything. When it comes down to it, if a lady wants you to help fix some thing or help out they will tell you. So best bet is stick with the "unless asked to, don't do anything" and you will find sticking to that you will be giving her good support. Sorry rambling this morning have a million things going through my mind lol.

[poplips]

FF, good points you make, but unfortunately it's not me being judgmental. I think I'd rather have wished I was wrong, but I did see her a couple days ago. The pt issue involved is almost impossible to get over. She's been like this since she's 14. And the more research I do the more I discover how serious and deadly this is for her. Some of the stories I hear is that her aunt and pa were pt addicted too and that her pop drove her to dates when she was 14. Of course this story sounds absurd but when consider that her sis was also just as troubled and did the same thing and yet her family supposedly comes from a good place in the area I find it really hard to make sense of it all. Some pt girl who also provides and gets high with her told me this tale said when she got out her demons caught up with her and who she is now is not really her. She really didn't have a chance. I realize now that I can't "fix" her all I can do is stand back and observe her apocalypse from a distance.

[iscrewedmeganfox]

poplips, please stick to your guns because i never do and i go through the pain over and over of watching one girl in particular destroy herself. Things seem to get better for a minute and you get hope and then it all comes crashing down. You said it all, the only person who can fight the battle is the one with the pt issue. You can assist but they have to do the hard part. Now if only i could just stick to it and not get involved anymore.

[Frankie Fine]

Sorry to hear that..sounds like pt was the problem first.

[Frankie Fine]

Originally Posted by tsmtogo

Some very good questions and I have to agree with you. I have never had any PT issues, the closest thing I had was trying to quit smoking. I know they are two very separate issues, but would be similar with the support thing. I had one friend when I was trying to quit that would always throw back in my face that I even took up smoking and how bad it was for me. He was not a very supportive person and I pushed him to the side because frankly it was annoying. On the other hand I had a female trying to be supportive of me trying to quit smoking. The down fall was she kept subconsciously mentioning smoking, cigarettes and stuff like that over and over through out a conversation. Even though she was trying to be supportive, after 5 minutes of talking with her I was dying to have a cigarette. So long story made short. If you wanted to you can be supportive. Be cautious and aware of things though. Every one is different and handle every thing differently. You may be the person with good intentions and be supportive, but might mention some thing like "I am proud of you that you are kicking this and doing a great job!". To some they may take that a a compliment and others might view it as you throwing it back into their face. Another thing to keep in mind is us guys are "fixers". We get told some thing or hear some thing and it is in our nature to want to help or fix it. Females on the other hand some times just want to talk about things and basically vent. They are not looking for anyone to "fix it" or anything in that nature. So if you want to truly help her, let her talk and be the "priest" type person. Listen to what she has to say and don't give advise or try to fix anything. When it comes down to it, if a lady wants you to help fix some thing or help out they will tell you. So best bet is stick with the "unless asked to, don't do anything" and you will find sticking to that you will be giving her good support. Sorry rambling this morning have a million things going through my mind lol.

I forgot to mention I find this post very insightful and I resemble the statistic(stereotype) ! Well said imho