Manafort is toast

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by garhkal

Well, for YEARS we keep getting told that BILLIONS of tax dollars are being fraudulently paid out during Tax return season, to illegal aliens, who are filing using forged SSNs/stolen ids, or just wrongfully claiming tax credits on kids THEY DON'T have etc.


YET THESE DUMB asses, just can't seem to ever cramp down on that fraud, LET ALONE have any desire to go after those who DO the defrauding, to claim it back.


So of course they are incompetent.

I’d never really thought about the billions, as you put it, being routinely stolen by illegal aliens from all of us taxpayers during tax return season. Who keeps telling us that? Forged SSN’S? Stolen ID’s always seem to be a clear pathway to a fraudulent Federal Income Tax refund.

Please tell us more. A credible link would be nice. Surely that would be easy to find.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Muy Largo

The topic of this thread was/is Manafort, and how I believe the case against him is pretty damn air tight. We can discuss the Clinton situation -and have- in different threads. Trump's taxes and his lack of recent transparency regarding his taxes and his misleading, dishonest statements about disclosing his taxes once the audits were completed are also another matter for a another thread.

Who thinks Manafort will be exonerated?
Who thinks he will be found guilty?

What are the consequences of either?

Me thinks Manafort will be found guilty and is soon to be singing.

If Manafort weren't involved in politics he might get a year or two in jail. And the IRS would make him pay maybe two times the maximum balance in his foreign accounts, plus unpaid income tax and penalties and interest thereon. That would bankrupt him. In total this would be more than enough punishment, too much IMHO.

But politics has become blood sport. And the criminal justice system is screwed up beyond belief. Mueller probably doesn't have anything of significance on Trump involving the Russians, and Flynn and the others are cooperating, so he has to fuck Manafort over good to justify his existence. Our legislators, wise and all knowing, have given prosecutors laws and sentences that enable them to lock just about anyone up for a long, long time. And they're using that power in its full force against Manafort.

This isn't to say Republicans are good and Democrats are bad. How about crowds of thousands of people, led by Flynn or Trump, yelling "lock her up". For what? Benghazi? Having government emails on her computer? What a joke. Not that prosecutors don't have the power to do that. But it's insane.

And it's not just the other politicians they want to jail. The Democrats want to put the white businessmen in jail. The Republicans want to put young black men in jail. Somebody needs to put a stop to the madness. If they put all the taxpayers in jail, who's going to pay for the government? Well, on second thought, maybe that's not a bad idea, starve the beast, but probably not the best way to achieve smaller government.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Tiny

The Democrats want to put the white businessmen in jail. The Republicans want to put young black men in jail.

Really?

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by Tiny

If Manafort weren't involved in politics he might get a year or two in jail. And the IRS would make him pay maybe two times the maximum balance in his foreign accounts, plus unpaid income tax and penalties and interest thereon. That would bankrupt him. In total this would be more than enough punishment, too much IMHO..

Then why have they STILL NOT gone after Al Sharptongue>> Doesn't he STILL OWE over 4+ million/??

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by garhkal

Then why have they STILL NOT gone after Al Sharptongue>> Doesn't he STILL OWE over 4+ million/??

Silly man. Didn't you know that taxes are for the little people and Republicans? Those Democratic politicians who want to raise tax rates and who constantly talk about the rich paying their fair share have figured out ways not to pay. It sounds like Sharpton has gotten away with it. So have John and Teresa Heinz Kerry, who parked most of their assets in tax free municipal bonds.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Silly man. Didn't you know that taxes are for the little people and Republicans? Those Democratic politicians who want to raise tax rates and who constantly talk about the rich paying their fair share have figured out ways not to pay. It sounds like Sharpton has gotten away with it. So have John and Teresa Heinz Carie, who parked most of their assets in tax free municipal bonds.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

As you well know, Martha Stewart was not convicted of insider trading. She was set up by the FBI so she'd lie and then convicted of perjury. Another example of government gone crazy.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Tiny

As you well know, Martha Stewart was not convicted of insider trading. She was set up by the FBI so she'd lie and then convicted of perjury. Another example of government gone crazy.

It’s relatively certain that “as you well know” doesn’t apply to WWE at all.

The sea of misinformation is vast and many of our “sailors” have no clue how to use a sextant.

But they are fluent in “What Aboutism.”

This is yet another indication.

I think Manafort will get convicted and then immediately pardoned and Trump supporters will view it as a victory.

I wonder when we’ll get back to the business of being a nation...

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

I think Manafort will get convicted and then immediately pardoned.

It's interesting that Manafort's defense didn't call a single witness. That might fit with your theory.

What he did was wrong. But he shouldn't be raked over the coals, any more than anyone else. If they lock him up and throw away the key it will be a travesty. The judge in the case appears to believe this way. We'll know soon about the jury.

Would that make a pardon more acceptable, if they give him a ridiculous sentence, like the rest of his life in jail? Is that why he didn't really defend himself, because he's expecting a pardon? Not likely, but there's a chance. If Trump's going to do it, the best time to pardon Manafort would be when he's a lame duck president, after the 2020 election. But who knows, it wouldn't be out of character for him to pardon Manafort a lot earlier.

[Yssup Rider]

I expect Twitler to pardon him at his earliest opportunity, just to discredit Mueller’s investigation.

[lustylad]

Mueller's investigation was already discredited the day it started. We just didn't know it yet. But Strzok and McCabe and Simpson and Steele and John Brennan and obama knew.

[Yssup Rider]

Is this another Benghazi thread, LLad?

[lustylad]

Benghazi? Try to be relevant, ok? Or are you back to bumping up your post count by spamming your usual nonsense?

[Yssup Rider]

Not necessary. You're doing it for me!

LOL!

[Hotrod511]

^^^^