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Old 06-04-2019, 10:43 PM   #16
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I use the acronym: FW$B

Friends with cash benefits.
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Old 06-05-2019, 09:23 PM   #17
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I don't disagree with you at all. Actually, the "High End Date" is easily the description of a good sugar relationship. Or at least it is with me. I've been on and off SA for longer than here and I have a pretty good idea what different guys are looking for there.
Fair enough. Maybe you are the one of the few escorts who can transition from escort to SB but understand that is rare. Still, the term "high end date" sounds escortish. What you really are talking about is escort versus SB.

The mentality of a stripper/escort is short term and the goal is to extract every penny from the guy in question. We get that, but how do you switch from that to a long term mutually beneficial relationship? A SB is much closer to a GF than an escort.

I was with a SB, and she and I had an arrangement. I thought the SB was going to work one night, and I called an escort up. The SB wasn't needed at work, and when she met the escort, they became friendly. I paid the escort for the hour we agreed to. I don't remember who, but my SB or I asked her if she wanted to go to Main Event and do laser tag and video games and hang out with us that night and the escort was up for going. She couldn't quit saying how much fun she had later on.

The following day, I learned from my SB the escort was broke. The escort offered a special rate for guys for a week but no one booked with her. Then the escort told my SB that she expected to be paid $1000 for the time we spent playing games. The SB and I had a laugh at this, and she asked, "What woman expects to get paid $1000 playing games?" If she had asked to be paid prior to our going, I would have said no, and she didn't even bother asking me afterwards.

The escort showed up weeks later unannounced at my place with an eviction notice. She was crying that she was going to be out on the street, and I gave her a few hundred bucks. She thanked me and promised that she would make it up to me and of course, she never did as I suspected she wouldn't.

Given the short term mind set, I would expect every escort here to say that I should have paid her the $1000, and she was right to lie to me which cracks me up. Do you women understand that what we men are paying for is for you to make us feel good one way or another? The SB provided me sex, was appreciative of my showing her a good time, and provided companionship. The escort made me feel good sexually, but she made me feel like a tightwad and a sucker for helping her.

I get that disappointment goes with the hobby, and I didn't pay for anything I didn't agree to, but outside of a short term fling when a guy is horny, why would a man EVER see an escort given that mindset?

Given how many escorts have re-branded themselves as SBs and flooded SA in hopes of finding clients they call SDs, it's pretty obvious most men did as I did and left the escort scene.
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Old 06-06-2019, 06:27 AM   #18
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Seeing that I married a client, I feel confident that I can transcend from trying to "extract every penny from a client" to a true, long term relationship.

I don't disagree that it is a rare talent, but rare doesn't equal non-existent. But my post wasn't about sugar dating to begin with. It was about the difference between girls who charge a lot and girls who provide a high end experience.

Girls who simply charge a lot and don't care about a connection are likely not going to be the ones who can move into a sugar baby role. But some who already provide high end experiences may be able to for the right guy.

BTW, $1000 for playing games is ridiculous. Showing up and begging for money is ridiculous. I do this to provide flexibility while I pursue some other ventures. My "real world" job has the ability to pay me far more than this, but is much more constrictive.

Right now, I have one very special guy and it is not a relationship that is all about money at all. Not even close. Is it a traditional SD/SB relationship? No, mostly because in many ways we are equals, so it isn't the same dynamic, but it definitely works...very well. WALDT
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:02 PM   #19
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Seeing that I married a client, I feel confident that I can transcend from trying to "extract every penny from a client" to a true, long term relationship.
LOL. It's amazing how often this is happening now. This may be a new trend. It's like marriage, then escorts stage, then SB, and then getting married again.

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Girls who simply charge a lot and don't care about a connection are likely not going to be the ones who can move into a sugar baby role. But some who already provide high end experiences may be able to for the right guy.
Okay, I see what you are saying, and I agree with it. Some but not all of the high end women I have seen were more SB like in the sense that they usually were successful enough in their own life that they didn't have to provide. It really wasn't just all about money for them.

I have been on this forum off and on a long time. I just don't post nearly as often. The demand for most HDHs is way down, though a few are still very busy, and the porn bimbo demand has fallen off a cliff. Even the high end Gentleman's clubs around me are having large double digit percent plunges. From my POV, the world you were discussing is pretty much non-existent compared to what it was, but there still are women and clubs that are busy, and it is worth discussing why that is. Why did they make it?

So Good post, BBB! BTW, the seamless transition from high end escort to SB to wife that you did is very rare, and you are a special lady to have pulled that off. You may think that is just common sense but it definitely is not common.
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Thanks for your kind words.

FTR, I definitely know that Common Sense is not so Common.

I do think you hit the nail on the head that the secret seems to be that a lady does this for more motivations than money. In any business, someone who is working just for the money, is probably not going to operate the same and be as successful overall as someone who does it for more than money.
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Old 06-06-2019, 02:57 PM   #21
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Interesting thread. I am curious what some ladies might say in response to your OP. Always curious to hear the ladies' comments.

I do find your initial categorization of Expensive vs High End really does define groups of women I have noticed/run into. They are certainly two very different groups appealing to different men--or the same men at different moments.

I also agree that the SB explosion has made a dent in the HE market, but I disagree they are the same thing. The H-HE ladies would cringe at the thought of advertising that way, and the arrangements are more formal in terms of expectation and duration.



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Old 06-18-2019, 10:19 PM   #22
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Diffrent strokes for different folks! I have yet to find the kind of gentleman interested in Beneficial Dating. I have dinner dates/day dates available but seem to only get booked for an hour or two. I feel once the right connection is made I will retire.
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Old 10-07-2019, 09:06 PM   #23
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Expensive Date: Attended a Business Trip.
Description: Submissive- Less conversation, and was available to him during his lunch breaks, dinner, and Night time.. At his request.


High End Date: Beach Vacation, Spending the Holidays together.
Description: Preferred more casual, Bought gifts for me and my family, dinner dates, fun and music.
Conversations included our life story, family,and friends.
Extended time together.
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