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Old 10-26-2011, 07:31 PM   #16
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keynes was a proponent of deficit spending. I don't know if massive deficit spending the last 40 years was what he had in mind.

he should be discredit for that policy.
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:57 PM   #17
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I'm a private business owner and in the 1%. And nothing in the Republican plan does anything for me, other than cut my taxes at your expense. And you can cut my effective tax rate to zero and I'm not creating any additional jobs unless I sign up more good law suits. Then I'm hiring more help no matter whether my marginal tax rate is 35% or 39.6% (or higher).

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Old 10-26-2011, 11:20 PM   #18
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Well, I think Ayn Rand is being proven correct as we speak. Hayek, von Mises, Frederick Bastiat are among my heroes, and I think they are much more in tune with how an economy works than those in the Keynesian camp. Von Daniken will be proven mostly correct soon, as will Zechariah Sitchin.

So . . . Keynes would recognize a sinking aggregate demand liquidity trap. How do we get the money out of the mattress, or do we keep printing, taxing and spending?
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Old 10-27-2011, 12:03 AM   #19
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Von Daniken will be proven mostly correct soon, as will Zechariah Sitchin.
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what does these 2 have to do with the economy in relation to hayek and others? they don't and they're off-topic.
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They have everything to do with the economy. When Niburu returns and the Annunaki take over, the economy will be the least of our worries.
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...Keynes was averse to unnecessarily running up government debt in flush times...
Exactly!

And that's been at the heart of the point I've been trying to make in several threads -- that is, that if we're going to spend money in an effort to put people back to work, we need to get some bang for the buck. If congress's goal had been to blow the $800 billion stimulus package of 2009 in the most ineffective way possible, they couldn't have done a much better job.

The sad fact is that we really do need investment in infrastructure, but it needs to be done in a thoughtful and effective way. Instead what we got was wasteful pork and political payoffs, and a hodgepodge of ineffective and ultimately unsustainable tax cuts. We blew a big hole in the deficit for virtually nothing.

It would have been better to spend the money in any number of different ways. One example I offered in another thread was converting several million 18-wheelers to CNG and building the fueling infrastructure therefor. Not only would that put a lot of people to work, it would reduce our reliance on imported oil, as well as somewhat improve air quality in the bargain.

The Erie Canal is an excellent example of a publically-financed infrastructure project from very early in our nation's history. It opened up trade to the Great Lakes region and gave farmers in western New York State and other areas the ability to move grain and produce to coastal population centers, from where some of it could then be exported.

Now that was a stimulus package!

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CaptainMidnight, I know of few Keynesian who would argue that there are not serious structural issues in the economy, although most would put at least one or two of them above the balance of trade accounts...
Possibly, as there's no shortage of structural problems our economy faces. But I don't think many people would argue that our very large negative trade and balance-of-payments deficits aren't extremely serious problems. Another is the very large structural fiscal deficit, especially inasmuch as the currently gridlocked political process means that there's no credible path to anything near balance anytime soon. Still another is our failure to fix the financial system, as Dodd-Frank does nothing about TBTF and little about Fannie and Freddie. Yet another is rapidly-widening income disparity, largely caused by the push toward free-trade globalism begun in the 1970s, resulting in decades of de-industrialization. Most of our recently created "service industry" jobs don't pay very well.

We've spent many years consuming too much, saving too little, and producing and exporting too little. All these are serious structural problems, in my opinion.
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