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Old 02-17-2021, 03:35 PM   #31
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How would preventing lobbyists from donating to politicians and political parties & term limits give lobbyists more control?
Well lobbyists main function is to pressure Congressmen and make them do whatever lobbyists want. Experienced Congressmen see this and can resist these influences better. While green newly elected Congressmen are like clueless rubes at a carny when dealing with slick talking lobbyists.
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Old 02-17-2021, 05:19 PM   #32
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Well lobbyists main function is to pressure Congressmen and make them do whatever lobbyists want. Experienced Congressmen see this and can resist these influences better. While green newly elected Congressmen are like clueless rubes at a carny when dealing with slick talking lobbyists.
I'm of the mindset that eliminating the 'lifer' status of politicians would minimize the impact of high dollar money donors. If everyone is a lame duck after 1, 2 or 3 terms, they should be less concerned about losing after 1 or 2 terms, or raising money to keep themselves in office.
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Old 02-17-2021, 06:20 PM   #33
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I'm of the mindset that eliminating the 'lifer' status of politicians would minimize the impact of high dollar money donors. If everyone is a lame duck after 1, 2 or 3 terms, they should be less concerned about losing after 1 or 2 terms, or raising money to keep themselves in office.
Good point.
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Old 02-17-2021, 06:26 PM   #34
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Well lobbyists main function is to pressure Congressmen and make them do whatever lobbyists want. Experienced Congressmen see this and can resist these influences better. While green newly elected Congressmen are like clueless rubes at a carny when dealing with slick talking lobbyists.
I don't believe that you'll find many "Experienced Congressman" resisting influences. Corruption seems to run parallel with political longevity.
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Old 02-18-2021, 04:39 AM   #35
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I don't believe that you'll find many "Experienced Congressman" resisting influences. Corruption seems to run parallel with political longevity.
Agree. Once they learn which pols can be swayed (bought), on and in it goes.

New blood will lessen that possibility, since they have to start over again,..

elg.......
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Old 02-18-2021, 06:15 AM   #36
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we have term limits, its called vote them out. Don the con got 1 term and was the weakest link, goodbye, you're fired.
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Old 02-18-2021, 06:23 AM   #37
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we have term limits, its called vote them out. Don the con got 1 term and was the weakest link, goodbye, you're fired.

That won't work. It still gives people such as don the con the opportunity to dangle a primary as a threat. "Do as I command or you'll get a primary."
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Agree. Once they learn which pols can be swayed (bought), on and in it goes.

New blood will lessen that possibility, since they have to start over again,..

elg.......
Exactly. Also the new blood hasn't been groomed yet by their fellow politicians into the DC dirt-bag culture.
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Old 02-20-2021, 12:52 PM   #39
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He’s not gone. He’s just not president. The America First movement is alive and well. 2022 will be a good year for the GOP.
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Old 02-20-2021, 01:04 PM   #40
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Default Before anyone of you FUCKS blame Trump let’s look at the big picture, shall we?

“Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.
Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?
Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?
You and I don't propose a federal budget. The President does.
You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.
You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.
You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.
You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.
One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.
I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.
I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a President to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.
Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.
What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits.. (The President can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.)
The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House?( Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the President, can approve any budget they want. ) If the President vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.
It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.
If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.
If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.
If the Army & Marines are in Iraq and Afghanistan it's because they want them in Iraq and Afghanistan ..
If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.
There are no insoluble government problems.
Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power.
Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.
Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone, have the power.
They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses. Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees... We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!
What you do with this article now that you have read it... is up to you.
This might be funny if it weren't so true.
Be sure to read all the way to the end:
Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table,
At which he's fed.
Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.
Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for
peanuts anyway!
Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.
Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.
Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.
Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.
Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass.
Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.
When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.
Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid...
Put these words
Upon his tomb,
'Taxes drove me
to my doom...'
When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.

• Accounts Receivable Tax
• Building Permit Tax
• CDL license Tax
• Cigarette Tax
• Corporate Income Tax
• Dog License Tax
• Excise Taxes
• Federal Income Tax
• Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
• Fishing License Tax
• Food License Tax
• Fuel Permit Tax
• Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
• Gross Receipts Tax
• Hunting License Tax
• Inheritance Tax
• Inventory Tax
• IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
• Liquor Tax
• Luxury Taxes
• Marriage License Tax
• Medicare Tax
• Personal Property Tax
• Property Tax
• Real Estate Tax
• Service Charge Tax
• Social Security Tax
• Road Usage Tax
• Recreational Vehicle Tax
• Sales Tax
• School Tax
• State Income Tax
• State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
• Telephone Federal Excise Tax
• Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
• Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
• Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
• Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax
• Telephone State and Local Tax
• Telephone Usage Charge Tax
• Utility Taxes
• Vehicle License Registration Tax
• Vehicle Sales Tax
• Watercraft Registration Tax
• Well Permit Tax
• Workers Compensation Tax

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?
Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, & our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
What in the heck happened? Can you spell 'politicians?'
I hope this goes around THE USA at least 545 times!!! YOU can help it get there!!!
Now, more than ever, it’s time to throw the bums out! All of them
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Old 02-20-2021, 02:36 PM   #41
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Looks like the gop in texas is having a great year.How could they fuck things up any worse.It was nothing more than a typical winter week of weather in the north and totally preventable .Had they chose to prepare for it like they were advised to... instead they turned it into a third world country type disaster.Yep the gop is making america great..the greatest third world country ever
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Old 02-20-2021, 04:33 PM   #42
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Meanwhile, that bitchy socialist AOC is out raising over $3M to assist Texans who won't even vote for her while their Senator, Ted Cruz is trying to get away with a vacation to Cancun.



Yet, Ted Cruz will get re-elected when his time comes. Because Texas.
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Old 02-21-2021, 05:17 AM   #44
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I'm liking a cuomo/trump ticket for sharing a jail cell.
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Old 02-21-2021, 07:53 AM   #45
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It's funny how the dems say let's unite the country, yet they are the if you don't think just like us you're the problem party.

They falsify evidence and still can't impeach.

The AOC video of her nearly in tears, how scared she was for her life and she's not even in the building that was being raided. Most likely didn't even know what was going on, since the people in the building didn't know.

Harris supporting the protest over the summer saying the protests are the only way to effect lasting change while cities are burning and that's ok.

Let's shut down the pipeline because we want a greener country, lets instead buy it from overseas and ship it by boat? Someone's pockets are being lined.

Biden claiming running a country by executive order is dictatorship, yet how many has he written in a month?

Dems wanting to shut down Florida because 300 people have a new variant, out of 21 million in the state, which they also happen to say the vaccine is effective against the variants.

Harris saying she'd never take a vaccine that come out while trump was in office. Who was one of the first to get it?

And trump was pushing a narrative?
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