A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data By John P.A. Ioannidis March 17, 2020

[Chung Tran]

you right-leaning guys take the cake with your conspiracy nonsense.

nobody knows the extent of the potential damage this virus may inflict. closing off the economy is a side effect of trying to neutralize the virus.. you guys act like it's a Democratic conspiracy to undermine Trump.. like everything else posted on this Site.

strict measures now, will likely bring the economy back faster and stronger. would you rather ignore the virus, and hope it is not as bad as many fear?

[oeb11]

CT- you have the message 180 degrees wrong. Instead of posting "fake conspiracy" news - why not read and try to understand the article Ioannidis writes about the poor scientific basis for the actions we are taking that destroy the economy.

You are feeding off the Fascist DPST narrative that thinks this is a way to defeat Trump in Nov 2020- and any lie necessary is the ends justifying the means.

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by oeb11

CT- you have the message 180 degrees wrong. Instead of posting "fake conspiracy" news - why not read and try to understand the article Ioannidis writes about the poor scientific basis for the actions we are taking that destroy the economy.

You are feeding off the Fascist DPST narrative that thinks this is a way to defeat Trump in Nov 2020- and any lie necessary is the ends justifying the means.

I'm not feeding off anybody. I think strict measures are smart right now, until we know more and get a better handle on the virus. if you do as I think we should, the recovery will be faster, and Trump stands a much better chance of winning again. you are so narrow-focused on Trump and the Deep State opposition, you fail to recognize what I'm saying

[oeb11]

You missed the point of the article - it mentioned the Deep state not - nor did I.

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by oeb11

You missed the point of the article - it mentioned the Deep state not - nor did I.

you missed what I posted, as usual. I didn't say the article referred to the Deep State, and didn't say you did.. I said your focus is there, as it always is.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

I'm not feeding off anybody. I think strict measures are smart right now, until we know more and get a better handle on the virus. if you do as I think we should, the recovery will be faster, and Trump stands a much better chance of winning again. you are so narrow-focused on Trump and the Deep State opposition, you fail to recognize what I'm saying

I should point out that taiwan and south korea did not take those extreme measures and wreck their economy in the process. they did not it.

it is not necessary to what we are doing.

all they had to tell people to wear masks and gloves and that should do it.

but no.. panic city!!!!

I still can't get any toilet paper.

[Jackie S]

Let’s are people in Italy if it’s nothing but a conspiracy.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

you right-leaning guys take the cake with your conspiracy nonsense.

nobody knows the extent of the potential damage this virus may inflict. closing off the economy is a side effect of trying to neutralize the virus.. you guys act like it's a Democratic conspiracy to undermine Trump.. like everything else posted on this Site.

strict measures now, will likely bring the economy back faster and stronger. would you rather ignore the virus, and hope it is not as bad as many fear?

+1

Exactly. Let's do nothing and let the virus infect 200 million of our citizens. With a death rate of 3% only 6 million people will die, but the DJIA will still be above 25,000. Typical reputard retard logic.

[oeb11]

a- another useful idiot for the Chinese - obviously did not read the article at all - or is not capable of comprehending.

The mortality rate is not 3% - it is much less - for sound scientific and epidemiologic reasons pointed out by Dr Ioaniddis.

Fascist DPST's are reveling in the recession they wanted desperately - and they may now kick it over into a full blown 1929 great depression if we are not very careful.

We are over reacting out of fear and hysteria from the LSM.

If you believe the Chinese and Russian reports - only 300 or so cases in russia and one death - in Moscow , and no new cases in China - U r a useful idiot for the chinese and Russians.

[adav8s28]

From the O.P.
If we assume that case fatality rate among individuals infected by SARS-CoV-2 is 0.3% in the general population — a mid-range guess from my Diamond Princess analysis — and that 1% of the U.S. population gets infected (about 3.3 million people), this would translate to about 10,000 deaths.

In the USA CV19 has caused 77,000 deaths so far with not even 1% of the USA population being infected (confirmed cases 1.3 million) . Which proves that CV19 is more lethal than SARS and the author has under estimated the death rate for CV19.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...-cases-deaths/

[oeb11]

a - Your assumptions fail to include many aspects of the proper epidemiologic evaluation for Wuhan virus.

for a start - read this -

A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data


By John P.A. Ioannidis
March 17, 2020
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/...reliable-data/


This article will give U a start on factors to consider in scientific evaluation of case mortality rate of Wuhan virus.

his discussion was much more predictive than the models touted in the LSM.
Thank U - a

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Lots of good can and, with Trump as President, likely will come of this. China controlling a large percentage of our medications and supplies is completely unacceptable. We’ve managed to become energy independent, medically independent needs to be a top priority.

High purity pharmaceutical manufacturing is best done close to the end users, to reduce the transit time associated with spoilage and waste.

Perhaps disclosure laws on manufacturing should require lot numbers to be published on a drug makers website showing where the ingredients where sourced and compounded?

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by oeb11

a - Your assumptions fail to include many aspects of the proper epidemiologic evaluation for Wuhan virus.

for a start - read this -

A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data


By John P.A. Ioannidis
March 17, 2020
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/...reliable-data/


This article will give U a start on factors to consider in scientific evaluation of case mortality rate of Wuhan virus.

his discussion was much more predictive than the models touted in the LSM.
Thank U - a

John P.A. Ioannidis is doing great work amidst this pandemic, bringing much needed rationality to the public discourse.

[oeb11]

FF- Thanks - good Sir!

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by oeb11

a - Your assumptions fail to include many aspects of the proper epidemiologic evaluation for Wuhan virus.

for a start - read this -

A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data


By John P.A. Ioannidis
March 17, 2020
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/...reliable-data/


This article will give U a start on factors to consider in scientific evaluation of case mortality rate of Wuhan virus.

his discussion was much more predictive than the models touted in the LSM.
Thank U - a

O, the link that you gave to read is the same link that is in post #1 which is where this came from:

If we assume that case fatality rate among individuals infected by SARS-CoV-2 is 0.3% in the general population — a mid-range guess from my Diamond Princess analysis — and that 1% of the U.S. population gets infected (about 3.3 million people), this would translate to about 10,000 deaths.

So, he makes an estimate for number of deaths due to SARs assuming 1% of the USA population got infected. I am saying the 10,000 that he estimates is 70,000 short of the number of deaths right now in the USA. One percent of the USA population has not been infected yet. Even if you assume there is at least one asymptomatic for everyone with symptoms (1.3 million cases). That would make total number infected 2.6 million which is still less than 1% of the USA population. Which means two things, CV19 is more lethal than SARs and the death rate for CV is higher than 1%. If you to go for HERD immunity there would be at least 3 million deaths.