Shithole countries use face masks

[oeb11]

Thanks tiny - there is some benefit to preventing acquisition and transmission to others.

Exactly how much - is a ?


Once in a while WaPo posts something constructive.



Can't hurt - along with handwashing and staying home when ill, and if possible social distancing.

Until we roll out an effective treatment - that is about it. Vaccine - minimum of a year away.

[Missburger]

we will get the vaccine sooner, gotta believe

or some kind of treatment for this

[oeb11]

Fidel - a vaccine is a year away - at least.

Lots of effort on hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin - and some positive results. These drugs can alrady be used in the US for Wuhan coronavirus patients. Ther are encouraging clinical reports with these drugs.

There are also other anti-virals under research.

I hope for a treatment with some efficacy in the near future.


fidel - do you rally think Cuba or Venezuela under Socialism can mobilize to treat its citizens as does the US and free capitalistic world.

China - you can believe their numbers if one wants - bottom line - their leadership cares nothing for how many of its people die - as long as the CCP remains in power.

[FrankZappa]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Here's an article about the benefit of wearing masks in public:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...l-coronavirus/

A lot of you don't trust the Washington Post, but please realize this is apolitical, and also one of the cheapest, most cost effective ways to control spread of the new coronavirus.

Also, here's a video on making homemade masks:

https://www.consumer.org.hk/ws_en/ne...-diy-tips.html

Finally, the easiest way to sterilize a mask may be to bake it in an oven at 158 degrees Fahrenheit / 70 degrees Centigrade for 30 minutes, although that could degrade the mask if you do it enough times:

https://www.livescience.com/sanitizi...ronavirus.html

You can't talk about the Washington Post. It is fake news unless you agree with it and then you will quote it like it is gold.

This is the world we live in. We need to buy the Alex Jones lip balm that protects you from Coronavirus.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by FrankZappa

You can't talk about the Washington Post. It is fake news unless you agree with it and then you will quote it like it is gold.

This is the world we live in. We need to buy the Alex Jones lip balm that protects you from Coronavirus.

The Washington Post has the best investigative reporting in the nation. I don't think it's as biased as MSNBC, the New York Times, or even CNN. Trump has a problem with it because their reporters expose bull shit, and he has a very low tolerance for criticism. I don't think Clinton liked them very much during Whitewater either, although he wasn't as vocal about it.

"Trump Revealed" btw is well worth a read. It was put together by Washington Post reporters around the time he was elected, and provides good insight into what makes him tic.

[FrankZappa]

Originally Posted by Tiny

The Washington Post has the best investigative reporting in the nation. I don't think it's as biased as MSNBC, the New York Times, or even CNN. Trump has a problem with it because their reporters expose bull shit, and he has a very low tolerance for criticism. I don't think Clinton liked them very much during Whitewater either, although he wasn't as vocal about it.

"Trump Revealed" btw is well worth a read. It was put together by Washington Post reporters around the time he was elected, and provides good insight into what makes him tic.

I agree with you about NYT and Washington Post. The problem is the flat earthers think that anything that is not on Fox News , Newsmax or talk radio is fake. CNN and MSNBC deal in facts as well. The problem is that the real luddite crowd who are mostly Trump supporters don't believe anything unless it comes from Sean Hannity. Fox, Breitbart and Newsmax as well as talk radio deals in non stop lies. Right wing media has bought up most of the local stations and recite the same kind of crap.

This has ripped apart our country and has created a bunch of crazy right wing freaks that don't source check anything and just recite a bunch of shit.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by FrankZappa

I agree with you about NYT and Washington Post. The problem is the flat earthers think that anything that is not on Fox News , Newsmax or talk radio is fake. CNN and MSNBC deal in facts as well. The problem is that the real luddite crowd who are mostly Trump supporters don't believe anything unless it comes from Sean Hannity. Fox, Breitbart and Newsmax as well as talk radio deals in non stop lies. Right wing media has bought up most of the local stations and recite the same kind of crap.

This has ripped apart our country and has created a bunch of crazy right wing freaks that don't source check anything and just recite a bunch of shit.

You've actually got the same situation on both sides. Many Republicans and Democrats have gone tribal and don't think for themselves, they just spout what they hear from their favorite media outlets.

I watch MSNBC, CNN and Fox. MSNBC is the most biased of the lot, it's a good one to watch when I want to get pissed off. Fox is almost as bad during prime time, and Fox and Friends isn't always objective either. But a lot of its daytime reporting actually is fair and balanced. Look at Chris Wallace for example, he's as hard on Trump as anyone.

CNN is a strange bird. It used to be middle of the road, and I wouldn't necessarily say it's anti Republican. But it's definitely anti Trump, everyday and all day.

The NYT has always had a slanted editorial page, but their news reporting was the best in the nation and unbiased. They're still good, but the bias has slipped off the editorial page and permeated many of their news articles.

The Washington Post I don't read regularly, just the links on Google News, but they have some good reporting. I don't know about their editorials because I never read them.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

There could be more than just a little bit to help. This industry is waiting to explode.

This country is mostly Capitalist. Maybe there could be some sort of sharecropping with this.

i'm all for legalizing the herb. probably won't happen in Redneck Texas in my lifetime but i can just move when i retire.

Colorado is nice...


and leave it to that bastion of politically correct socialism of Kalifornica to screw up their rollout by .. wait for it .. completely over-regulating it all. bahhaaaa


Kalifornica with 40 + million people is the one state that could see billion dollar revenue of legal pot sales.


buttt no!!! those dummies fuck it up!


BASHAHAAAAAAA

[FrankZappa]

Originally Posted by Tiny

You've actually got the same situation on both sides. Many Republicans and Democrats have gone tribal and don't think for themselves, they just spout what they hear from their favorite media outlets.

I watch MSNBC, CNN and Fox. MSNBC is the most biased of the lot, it's a good one to watch when I want to get pissed off. Fox is almost as bad during prime time, and Fox and Friends isn't always objective either. But a lot of its daytime reporting actually is fair and balanced. Look at Chris Wallace for example, he's as hard on Trump as anyone.

CNN is a strange bird. It used to be middle of the road, and I wouldn't necessarily say it's anti Republican. But it's definitely anti Trump, everyday and all day.

The NYT has always had a slanted editorial page, but their news reporting was the best in the nation and unbiased. They're still good, but the bias has slipped off the editorial page and permeated many of their news articles.

The Washington Post I don't read regularly, just the links on Google News, but they have some good reporting. I don't know about their editorials because I never read them.

I will say this about Chris Wallace , about once a month he criticizes Trump and that makes him objective. When people talk about things being slanted. Slanted to what, Fox is the number one network in the country. This liberal media stuff is not true. Look at the Iraq war , all of the major networks you talk about were in favor of it. You should do some research, most of the AM/FM radio station and local tv stations as well as local newspapers are owned by conservative media. Gaylord broadcasting as well as liberty media is all owned by far right wing sources that own about 80% of the stations in the country.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by FrankZappa

I will say this about Chris Wallace , about once a month he criticizes Trump and that makes him objective. When people talk about things being slanted. Slanted to what, Fox is the number one network in the country. This liberal media stuff is not true. Look at the Iraq war , all of the major networks you talk about were in favor of it. You should do some research, most of the AM/FM radio station and local tv stations as well as local newspapers are owned by conservative media. Gaylord broadcasting as well as liberty media is all owned by far right wing sources that own about 80% of the stations in the country.

There are more viewers of MSNBC plus CNN than viewers of Fox. Not a lot more, but more. There's not a preponderance of bias in the media on the left or the right. Outlets on both sides are biased as hell, because the country is biased as hell. So if you want to sell commercials, you've got to appeal to one side or the other. There's not much left in the middle.

I don't buy your ownership theory. The owners are there to make money. With a few exceptions like Rupert Murdoch they don't give a crap what they're selling, they just want to see profits. Journalists and reporters on the other hand do overwhelmingly prefer Democrats. I say this after having done a search of Federal Election Commission data of campaign contributions by occupation. I posted results here a long time ago but am too lazy to look them up.

As to the Iraq War, I don't remember what the press had to say about it at the time, but thought it was a huge mistake.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by FrankZappa

I will say this about Chris Wallace , about once a month he criticizes Trump and that makes him objective. When people talk about things being slanted. Slanted to what, Fox is the number one network in the country. This liberal media stuff is not true. Look at the Iraq war , all of the major networks you talk about were in favor of it. You should do some research, most of the AM/FM radio station and local tv stations as well as local newspapers are owned by conservative media. Gaylord broadcasting as well as liberty media is all owned by far right wing sources that own about 80% of the stations in the country.

It isn't rocket science. Ask every person at ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, NPR who they voted for and they will overwhelmingly tell you Democrat. It's a fact. Go to every University in America, survey the Professor's ask them who they voted for in the last 3 elections and they will tell you Democrat.


Yes, talk radio is overwhelmingly Conservative but it isn't as though the Left didn't try with Air America. They just failed miserably because Americans didn't want to hear the constant drumbeat of negativism.


This is an interesting read but let me give you the highlights.


https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...t-coast-215048


nobody has produced a better argument for how the national media missed the Trump story than FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver, who pointed out that the ideological clustering in top newsrooms led to groupthink.


“As of 2013, only 7 percent of [journalists] identified as Republicans,” Silver wrote in March, chiding the press for its political homogeneity. Just after the election, presidential strategist Steve Bannon savaged the press on the same point but with a heartier vocabulary.


“The media bubble is the ultimate symbol of what’s wrong with this country,” Bannon said. “It’s just a circle of people talking to themselves who have no fucking idea what’s going on.”


While I can't post the headline form the Washington Post, let me tell you what it says. Remember, this is the Washington post saying this.


Just 7 percent of journalists are Republicans. That's far fewer ...

www.washingtonpost.com › news › the-fix › 2014/05/06 › just-7-p

Like so many other left wing pundits on this board who say you can not believe anything you hear on Fox News, I have proved many wrong like I did with BK when he said Sean Hannity was saying the corona virus was a hoax when he was calling it a national emergency. Did he know better or did he just not care that he was spreading fake news?


I quote the NYT and Washington Post ( like I just did ) when I am convinced by additional research that they have said something that is true and YES the NYT and Washington Post do print the truth on occasion, it's just that their reporting is slanted left. And YES Fox is slanted right. What do I mean by that? You only have to compare things that were done in the Obama administration which got zero objectionable print and commentary, to the very same things done in the Trump administration that gets savaged. Then I get complaints about "whataboutism's" without which, one could not point out hypocrisy.



One of my best friends, well, use to be, I had to cut him off because of his TDS was out of control, asked why Trump refused a subpoena for Bolton to testify and said it could be for only one reason, a cover up. I asked if Obama was engaged in a cover up when he defied a subpoena for Eric Holder when Republicans were investigating the fast and furious case using, wait for it, executive privilege. His answer, "I'm not talking about Obama, I'm talking about Trump". In other words, he couldn't give me a reason because he is a coward who can't come to terms with his bias.



Remember the whole "kids in cages" when the MSM posted a picture of kids in a cage at a detention facility and cried about how cruel Trump was only to find out with a few minutes of actual investigating that the picture was taken during the Obama administration? Did the left call Obama Hitler? Nope, they merely dropped the story and I could give you a thousand more examples of the MSM holding Trump to a different standard than they held Obama to.


Right now the left MSM is fixed on how bad Trump was at the beginning of the corona crisis, how he was saying all the wrong things and yet when I watched Fox News the other night, I see a string of clips from Bill DeBlaso and the Head of the New York state Health department, NPR and Wapo, all saying in late Feb. that the corona virus was no big deal with the woman in charge of New York health, holding a press conference encouraging New Yorkers to go outside, take the kids the parade and even if the corona outbreak did get worse, "New York is well prepared to handle it". What a very high fall from grace for her. She will see that clip in her dreams for the rest of her life.



All the other media I listed were saying the same thing in the early days but boy is it different now. Now, it's all Trump's fault that we don't have enough N95 masks but nobody is asking why the Obama administration didn't produce enough after it's own H1N1 outbreak. Didn't they know they should have left the office with enough masks for the next big outbreak that we now hear "everybody" knew was coming?


I'm not nor have I ever said, all the left leaning MSM always tell lies, though they often do. Remember Nichols Sandmann? But I am saying with the Washington Post's own data to back me up, that the vast number of people in our MSM, entertaiment and universities identify with and vote Democratic. That's just a fact you have to deal with because it is the truth. Not bad, not good, merely the truth.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Tiny

There are more viewers of MSNBC plus CNN than viewers of Fox. Not a lot more, but more. There's not a preponderance of bias in the media on the left or the right. Outlets on both sides are biased as hell, because the country is biased as hell. So if you want to sell commercials, you've got to appeal to one side or the other. There's not much left in the middle.

I don't buy your ownership theory. The owners are there to make money. With a few exceptions like Rupert Murdoch they don't give a crap what they're selling, they just want to see profits. Journalists and reporters on the other hand do overwhelmingly prefer Democrats. I say this after having done a search of Federal Election Commission data of campaign contributions by occupation. I posted results here a long time ago but am too lazy to look them up.

As to the Iraq War, I don't remember what the press had to say about it at the time, but thought it was a huge mistake.

most journalists are liberals. it's clear by their writing. most media ownership i think is liberal slanted. fits with all those liberal writers and reporters.



as far as the second Gulf war it was a mistake. wrong country to punish. but recall the nation wanted some heads on a pike and Bushie Jr gave it to them. no matter that there really were weapons of mass destruction found or that Iraq sent jets and WMD's to their former bitter enemy Iran. funny how that happens when the common factor is a mutual hatred of the USA?


also recall that there were credible intel by FBI field agents about suspicious activity at at least two flight schools involving several of the eventual hijackers. that intel was ignored by higher ups in DC and if followed up could have easily stopped the 9/11 attack.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by FrankZappa

This liberal media stuff is not true. Look at the Iraq war , all of the major networks you talk about were in favor of it. You should do some research, most of the AM/FM radio station and local tv stations as well as local newspapers are owned by conservative media. Gaylord broadcasting as well as liberty media is all owned by far right wing sources that own about 80% of the stations in the country.

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

It isn't rocket science. Ask every person at ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, NPR who they voted for and they will overwhelmingly tell you Democrat.

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

most journalists are liberals. it's clear by their writing. most media ownership i think is liberal slanted. fits with all those liberal writers and reporters.

I'm not doing this again because it takes a lot of time but you can go to this web site, pick a time period, choose "journalist" for "occupation", download to excel and weed through the recipients of the donations to see if they're Republicans or Democrats. When I did this before I came up with 85% or 90% of the contributions from journalists going to Democrats and Democratic PAC's.

https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/in...12%2F31%2F2020

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by Tiny

You've actually got the same situation on both sides. Many Republicans and Democrats have gone tribal and don't think for themselves, they just spout what they hear from their favorite media outlets.

I watch MSNBC, CNN and Fox. MSNBC is the most biased of the lot, it's a good one to watch when I want to get pissed off. Fox is almost as bad during prime time, and Fox and Friends isn't always objective either. But a lot of its daytime reporting actually is fair and balanced. Look at Chris Wallace for example, he's as hard on Trump as anyone.

CNN is a strange bird. It used to be middle of the road, and I wouldn't necessarily say it's anti Republican. But it's definitely anti Trump, everyday and all day.

The NYT has always had a slanted editorial page, but their news reporting was the best in the nation and unbiased. They're still good, but the bias has slipped off the editorial page and permeated many of their news articles.

The Washington Post I don't read regularly, just the links on Google News, but they have some good reporting. I don't know about their editorials because I never read them.

I pretty much agree with your analysis. MSNBC I have watched maybe once or twice but their bias is just too much for me. CNN and FOX News I watch equally during the day but never at night. The "reporters" at night, whether they be Cuomo, Lemon, Hannity, Carlson or anyone else are just too biased for my liking. Some truth but mostly exaggerations.

Regarding the newspapers, I may read the editorials but like the night time CNN and FOX News reporters, I do it for the laughs rather than to pick up any words of wisdom.

[HoeHummer]

What? No redstste?