Did Texas "Re-open" too Soon?

[theotherguy1]

None of this is new. People are acting just like they did during the Spanish Flu. Guess what, summer didn't stop it. It went right through the summer of 1918. I think we should open up but rules should be set in place and people required to follow them. Everyone think that they can't get something until they get it. I think we should open up with rules and as we recover cancel all the rules.

[Ronin3]

As for any non-fit mask preventing spread, you have to examine mesh size and review the laws of physics that apply when you increase pressure in a container with an opening perpendicular to the applied force. Breathing compared to breathing, or cough to cough...pressure increases as does velocity of discharged solution. In this case, your breath.

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by Ronin3

Just spent 6 weeks of 12 hour nights running a COVID ICU pod in NYC. Although 65, I’m healthy and will die from exhaustion and frustration before anything from any virus. On my way home tomorrow. Maybe if you spent 5 minutes with me in one you’d have a different opinion. Maybe not. I have a highly educated and intelligent close friend who doesn’t give a fuck about the outcome of those infected. He only cares about his dwindling economic stability and believes herd immunity is the answer. Everybody has an opinion and no one knows the answers at this point. But certainly time will tell.

In your opinion, why does the NYC Metro area have half then nation COVID19 deaths? Why is the infection spreading so quickly up there?

[Lucas McCain]

Gnadfly, I don't know how often you have been to NYC, but I've lived there. It is pretty much impossible to not be on top of people there. You live in Houston according to your location. Unless you are in downtown there, it's pretty easy to avoid people. You just can't do that in NYC. You have to be close to people unless you don't need any essentials like food or toiletries. With the necessity for public transportation there, you just have no choice.

You really just can't avoid people there even if you tried to do so. I was definitely happy when I moved to Los Angeles from there and I could actually breathe again. I felt suffocated and claustrophobic the entire time I lived in that Manhattan jungle where I lived and worked... plenty of hot chicks though so it was not all that bad so I don't even know what the fuck I am even complaining about

[gnadfly]

I was looking for and still am Ronin3's opinion since he was in the zone personally while it was happening.

No offense LM but population density and mass transit in NYC has been discussed here before. London has the same issues but their mortality rate appears significantly less than the NYC area. I have additional theories but don't want to possibly bias R3.

[Big Ed]

The US has spent about $10,000 for every man woman and child with the covid-19 bail out so far. At some point we can't continue with this expenditure. However I don't think summer will save us.

An air-conditioned church or office building seems like the perfect environment to spread the virus. My right-wing leaning older relatives are eager to get back into church. I also know a few people with Trumpist bosses who are insisting that they work in the office even though it's not necessary. Warm countries like Ecuador in India have seen covid-19 spread fairly rapidly recently so I'm really not sure how much the hot Texas sun will save us.

All the ingredients are there for a strong resurgence. There will be a lot of unnecessary death and the enormous
sum that was paid will be all for not in the end.

I see right now sort of like early March all over again except this time covid is much better seeded in Texas.

[SecretE]

Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

Gnadfly, I don't know how often you have been to NYC, but I've lived there. It is pretty much impossible to not be on top of people there. You live in Houston according to your location. Unless you are in downtown there, it's pretty easy to avoid people. You just can't do that in NYC. You have to be close to people unless you don't need any essentials like food or toiletries. With the necessity for public transportation there, you just have no choice.

You really just can't avoid people there even if you tried to do so. I was definitely happy when I moved to Los Angeles from there and I could actually breathe again. I felt suffocated and claustrophobic the entire time I lived in that Manhattan jungle where I lived and worked... plenty of hot chicks though so it was not all that bad so I don't even know what the fuck I am even complaining about

Having grown up in the NYC metro area and now having lived in TX for 20 years, they really are two different animals in climate, infrastructure, and culture. I can believe that the NYC metro area needs to keep the shelter-in-place going and TX can open back up at the same time.

I think the real interesting part will be when the traditional cold/flu season comes back around to TX, when the temps lower again in late October/early November, to see if there is a second wave of COVID-19 coming through with a vengeance, or if we here in TX have built up enough herd immunity so it just becomes a nuisance to the working population.

[Lucas McCain]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

No offense LM but population density and mass transit in NYC has been discussed here before.

Certainly no offense taken

Originally Posted by SecretE

Having grown up in the NYC metro area and now having lived in TX for 20 years, they really are two different animals in climate, infrastructure, and culture.

Yeah, it's pretty easy to avoid people in TX if you want to. Hell, you can in any state when you drive yourself and you don't rely on public transportation to get around like you do if you live in a big city in the Northeast.

I don't think any state should be opening up because it's still out of control but that's just my opinion. People can take the risks they want to take. I know that people have to get back to work. It's none of my business what people want to do, but I'm keeping my ass at home for the most part until things settle down a bit.

[Jacuzzme]

but they have.. deaths are going up in Texas. just recently, in tandem with "re-opening".. what do you think about that, if anything?

Sucks for the dead people, good for everyone else. There’s a lot more everyone elses, so in total reopening is good.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

I don't care about number of cases, I expect that to rise with more testing..

Actually, what the testing has demonstrated IS ... the % of "cases" is much lower than originally predicted and/or speculated is a better word for the statistic worshippers.

Chan you really need to look elsewhere for FACTS than msn.

So far it seems Trump's guidance has saved about 330 million in U.S.

I go out almost daily for various reasons, but mostly resupply for the house ... and my work is home-based for now. My observation is:

1. fewer people are observing some of the most frequently publicized behaviors to protect themselves and others,

2. more people are out and about,

3. hoarding is starting up again, and

4. the traffic has increased substantially with aggression on the roadways also increased.

There seems to be shortages in some areas of the stores without any justification other than retailers artificially driving up prices. Over the many weeks of this siege I have discovered where to get what is wanted/needed at the stores, so resupply takes several stops. I do not rely on retailers' "sanitation" and "disinfection" procedures (I notice employees disregarding even the basic protocols...as well as customers.)

Some people apparently "think" gloves and masks do it!

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

In your opinion, why does the NYC Metro area have half then nation COVID19 deaths? Why is the infection spreading so quickly up there?

I agree that is a valid question.

I agree everyone is on top of each other but I think many factors need to be considered, including the fact that their health care system isn't so great.

[Sienna91]

If you ever been a New York you know why it is the way it is

I mean they set their trash on the side of the road that's really all I have to say

[Lucas McCain]

Yeah, when it gets hot in NYC, it smells like a garbage dump truck there. I don't miss living there. I'm surprised I still even have a sense of smell after leaving there for the LA smog. I guess I just wanted to torture my nose during that period in my life.

I don't know whether you should apologize to your own nose, but I probably should.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/te...cid=spartanntp

I don't care about number of cases, I expect that to rise with more testing.. I do care that DEATHS are going up, and Hospitalizations have yet to decrease. the article says shopping/retail and Libraries are back in full swing.

from what I have observed, the landscape looks like it did 3 months ago.. traffic is back, crowds are all around.. except for some mask-wearers, I would not know anything was different, from observing casually.

if you post, try to utilize cogency, and make a case for your response. personal attacks and "socialist this, Blue State that" bores me, that is almost all I ever see in these threads.

It's called living. If one is worried about a virus or catching any kind of disease on the basis of media hype then life itself becomes diluted in fear. This Pandemic has killed more people emotionally than it has physically. It's time for people to start living again instead of cowering in fear.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Tomorrow gyms in Texas will reopen. Limited to 25% of capacity. Locker rooms will not be open. Social distancing will be in affect. Not sure if masks will be required.

If there was ever a place where the virus could potentially be spread, gyms would be high on that list in my opinion.

I plan to be there if I can get in. Due to my age I am rather high risk but you have to draw the line somewhere as to what may or not be safe.