Ok folks, here’s what REALLY happened in Charlottesville

[I B Hankering]

ALLEN B. WEST
8/14/2017

Ok folks, here’s what REALLY happened in Charlottesville – and what everyone is missing This past weekend I was honored to be in a most picturesque place with some great and hospitable folks in Prescott (Yavapai County) Arizona. I was there to address the Republican Women of Prescott, the nation’s largest Republican women’s club, on their 75th anniversary. The scenery there was just breathtaking and there was just a sense of solemnness that we all need experience from time to time. How great a contrast it was from what was happening across the country in Charlottesville, Virginia. Let me begin by saying, I deplore any form of supremacist view — white, black, Hispanic, Islamic. I will be the first to openly state and embrace, a sense of American exceptionalism and supremacy that is rooted in our founding principles and values. Any and all else that is contradictory is to be condemned. What I have witnessed post the events of Saturday 12 August is the typical Rahm Emanuel mentality and political posturing: “never let a good crisis go to waste.” Therefore, I seek to assess what really happened in Charlottesville, Virginia.

First, may God rest the soul of 32-year-old Heather Heyer who tragically lost her life. My sincere condolences to her, her family, and those others who were injured. I fully support seeking the death penalty for 20-year-old James Alex Fields Jr. of Ohio who committed this horrific act of violence. But, how did we get to this place? This all began because someone decided, as other elected officials have across the country, to cave in to partisan political pressures and seek to erase American history. History is not there for us to love or hate, but for us to learn from and seek to not repeat its mistakes. If there are those who truly believe we protect ourselves by trying to revise history due to false emotions, then we miss out on who we are as a nation, and our evolution. The statues of long since deceased leaders of the Confederate Army do not stand to remind anyone of oppression. And if a statue can oppress you, then I submit that you have greater issues. I certainly did not appreciate former President Barack Obama taking a photo op in Cuba before the image of Che Guevara, nor do I enjoy seeing anyone wearing said image on t-shirts here in America … but I do not go into some whimsical state of “oppression.” And so it is that we do possess in this Constitutional Republic a freedom of speech and freedom of expression. It would appear that said group who didn’t wish to see the statue of Virginian, General Robert E. Lee, who was a commissioned U.S. Army officer, graduate of West Point, and served the nation in the Mexican War, taken down did apply for a permit to hold a rally.

We can dislike these individuals, but they took proper measures to secure permission to express their First Amendment right. Contrary to their position, the word went out for a counter-protest to occur which included groups from a different side of the political spectrum, who have also been very guilty of hateful rhetoric and violence. What should have happened is that these two groups should have been kept miles apart. I do not understanding why any local law enforcement agency would allow these two groups close proximity…first lesson learned. And we must also ascertain, did the counter-protest group seek permit or did they just “show up” in order to provoke, and elicit a response they could use “politically?” Yes, motivations are important to understand in this case, if we’re serious about getting to the bottom of what happened in Charlottesville and not just the typical mediadriven frenzy. I find it rather odd that so many are seeking to lay blame on President Trump for what happened in Charlottesville. And there are some voices out there who want to blame all white people, and all Republicans. How odd that when it was the New Black Panther Party outside a voting precinct in Philadelphia in black fatigues and with clubs, nothing was said. As a matter of fact, they weren’t even prosecuted for voter intimidation. And when it was the riots in Ferguson and Baltimore fueled by media false narratives and a presidential administration’s rhetoric, there was no blame lai on Barack Obama. It appears to me that there is a blatant hypocrisy when an individual commits a horrible crime, such as in Charleston, South Carolina, and a collective group of people are to be held accountable. But, when there’s an Islamic terror attack people say, “we cannot rush to judgment” or “this is not indicative of all Muslims”…to wit I agree, but why not call the enemy for what it is” militant Islamic terrorism or jihadism? Why must some be browbeaten into condemning the actions of a few, yet we have others who have fully admitted their support to groups calling for a “resistance?” And where were the voices to condemn the violence in Washington DC on Inauguration Day, or even at UC-Berkeley…or the violence committed against those who support the current president or hold beliefs aligned with Constitutional conservatism? If we want to condemn groups such as the neoNazis and others, then we must also condemn groups such as BLM and Antifa. And we need to stop the cherrypicking, as they all should be investigated. Let’s end this absurdity of trying to connect the Republican Party with the Ku Klux Klan, since it was a creation of the Democrat Party. And I seem to recall Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, infamously known as a grand wizard of the Klan, lauded over at his memorial by Barack Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton. It was Senator Byrd who was vehemently against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but it was Republican Senator Everett Dirksen who supported its passage. James Alex Fields will be punished to the full extent of the law, and I truly believe he should never see the light of day again. But if we blindly do not realize there has been an atmosphere of hatred fomented in this nation, we are ignorant. Who even remembers the fella who attempted to gun down several Republican Members of Congress at a baseball practice, severely wounding Rep. Steve Scalise? The mainstream liberal progressive media pushed that aside rather quickly, and let us not forget MSNBC commentator, Joy Reid, who on her Sunday show actually sought to justify Rep. Scalise’s shooting because of his voting record. Now, where was the condemnation there, and why is it that Ms. Reid still has a position and a show on that network? Fareed Zakaria praised the Central Park play depicting the “Caesar-like” stabbing to death of President Trump — last time I checked he was still on CNN. And how many Democrat elected officials were pressured into making statements of condemnation of one Kathy Griffith who notoriously held up the bloodied severed head resembling President Trump? There’s plenty of guilt to be passed around here, but the progressive socialist left will sadly exploit this for all they can. They will horribly believe this will provide them some sort of electoral advantage. They fail to realize they’re just as complicit in what happened in Charlottesville. Let me ask that age-old rhetorical question: “if a tree falls in the woods, and no one is there, does it make a sound?”

If we were to go back and ponder this incident and just let a small group of disaffected individuals hold a rally to protest the possible taking down of a statue of General Robert E. Lee, and no one had showed up… Instead a call went out and trouble, violence ensued. Or maybe, if we had courageous elected officials who would just say, those statues aren’t offending anyone; they’re part of American history, and they stay. Imagine that, would there even be a story, any rally, and violence?

What happened in Charlottesville must not be allowed to happen again. And that means we need to hold ANY group responsible that promotes violence. "What do we want, dead cops; when do we want them, now" … "Pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon”…no more. Our streets aren’t the place for hoods and masks, such as Antifa wears, and their violence and destruction of property. Let’s call them all out, and not have this selective enforcement mentality rooted in partisan political hackery. If we don’t stop the blatant hypocrisy, which is truly the problem, then we’re sitting on a powder keg — which I believe some wish for. I have an idea. If y’all want to fight, sign up in the U.S. military — if you meet the standards. There are plenty of folks who do indeed hate the United States. Channel your angst against them…not each other.

[dilbert firestorm]

antifa protestors should be charged with federal lynching statues. they are still on the books.

what they did is an attempt to lynch the protestors by violence.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

ALLEN B. WEST
8/14/2017

Ok folks, here’s what REALLY happened in Charlottesville – and what everyone is missing This past weekend I was honored to be in a most picturesque place with some great and hospitable folks in Prescott (Yavapai County) Arizona. I was there to address the Republican Women of Prescott, the nation’s largest Republican women’s club, on their 75th anniversary. The scenery there was just breathtaking and there was just a sense of solemnness that we all need experience from time to time. How great a contrast it was from what was happening across the country in Charlottesville, Virginia. Let me begin by saying, I deplore any form of supremacist view — white, black, Hispanic, Islamic. I will be the first to openly state and embrace, a sense of American exceptionalism and supremacy that is rooted in our founding principles and values. Any and all else that is contradictory is to be condemned. What I have witnessed post the events of Saturday 12 August is the typical Rahm Emanuel mentality and political posturing: “never let a good crisis go to waste.” Therefore, I seek to assess what really happened in Charlottesville, Virginia.

First, may God rest the soul of 32-year-old Heather Heyer who tragically lost her life. My sincere condolences to her, her family, and those others who were injured. I fully support seeking the death penalty for 20-year-old James Alex Fields Jr. of Ohio who committed this horrific act of violence. But, how did we get to this place? This all began because someone decided, as other elected officials have across the country, to cave in to partisan political pressures and seek to erase American history. History is not there for us to love or hate, but for us to learn from and seek to not repeat its mistakes. If there are those who truly believe we protect ourselves by trying to revise history due to false emotions, then we miss out on who we are as a nation, and our evolution. The statues of long since deceased leaders of the Confederate Army do not stand to remind anyone of oppression. And if a statue can oppress you, then I submit that you have greater issues. I certainly did not appreciate former President Barack Obama taking a photo op in Cuba before the image of Che Guevara, nor do I enjoy seeing anyone wearing said image on t-shirts here in America … but I do not go into some whimsical state of “oppression.” And so it is that we do possess in this Constitutional Republic a freedom of speech and freedom of expression. It would appear that said group who didn’t wish to see the statue of Virginian, General Robert E. Lee, who was a commissioned U.S. Army officer, graduate of West Point, and served the nation in the Mexican War, taken down did apply for a permit to hold a rally.

We can dislike these individuals, but they took proper measures to secure permission to express their First Amendment right. Contrary to their position, the word went out for a counter-protest to occur which included groups from a different side of the political spectrum, who have also been very guilty of hateful rhetoric and violence. What should have happened is that these two groups should have been kept miles apart. I do not understanding why any local law enforcement agency would allow these two groups close proximity…first lesson learned. And we must also ascertain, did the counter-protest group seek permit or did they just “show up” in order to provoke, and elicit a response they could use “politically?” Yes, motivations are important to understand in this case, if we’re serious about getting to the bottom of what happened in Charlottesville and not just the typical mediadriven frenzy. I find it rather odd that so many are seeking to lay blame on President Trump for what happened in Charlottesville. And there are some voices out there who want to blame all white people, and all Republicans. How odd that when it was the New Black Panther Party outside a voting precinct in Philadelphia in black fatigues and with clubs, nothing was said. As a matter of fact, they weren’t even prosecuted for voter intimidation. And when it was the riots in Ferguson and Baltimore fueled by media false narratives and a presidential administration’s rhetoric, there was no blame lai on Barack Obama. It appears to me that there is a blatant hypocrisy when an individual commits a horrible crime, such as in Charleston, South Carolina, and a collective group of people are to be held accountable. But, when there’s an Islamic terror attack people say, “we cannot rush to judgment” or “this is not indicative of all Muslims”…to wit I agree, but why not call the enemy for what it is” militant Islamic terrorism or jihadism? Why must some be browbeaten into condemning the actions of a few, yet we have others who have fully admitted their support to groups calling for a “resistance?” And where were the voices to condemn the violence in Washington DC on Inauguration Day, or even at UC-Berkeley…or the violence committed against those who support the current president or hold beliefs aligned with Constitutional conservatism? If we want to condemn groups such as the neoNazis and others, then we must also condemn groups such as BLM and Antifa. And we need to stop the cherrypicking, as they all should be investigated. Let’s end this absurdity of trying to connect the Republican Party with the Ku Klux Klan, since it was a creation of the Democrat Party. And I seem to recall Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, infamously known as a grand wizard of the Klan, lauded over at his memorial by Barack Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton. It was Senator Byrd who was vehemently against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but it was Republican Senator Everett Dirksen who supported its passage. James Alex Fields will be punished to the full extent of the law, and I truly believe he should never see the light of day again. But if we blindly do not realize there has been an atmosphere of hatred fomented in this nation, we are ignorant. Who even remembers the fella who attempted to gun down several Republican Members of Congress at a baseball practice, severely wounding Rep. Steve Scalise? The mainstream liberal progressive media pushed that aside rather quickly, and let us not forget MSNBC commentator, Joy Reid, who on her Sunday show actually sought to justify Rep. Scalise’s shooting because of his voting record. Now, where was the condemnation there, and why is it that Ms. Reid still has a position and a show on that network? Fareed Zakaria praised the Central Park play depicting the “Caesar-like” stabbing to death of President Trump — last time I checked he was still on CNN. And how many Democrat elected officials were pressured into making statements of condemnation of one Kathy Griffith who notoriously held up the bloodied severed head resembling President Trump? There’s plenty of guilt to be passed around here, but the progressive socialist left will sadly exploit this for all they can. They will horribly believe this will provide them some sort of electoral advantage. They fail to realize they’re just as complicit in what happened in Charlottesville. Let me ask that age-old rhetorical question: “if a tree falls in the woods, and no one is there, does it make a sound?”

If we were to go back and ponder this incident and just let a small group of disaffected individuals hold a rally to protest the possible taking down of a statue of General Robert E. Lee, and no one had showed up… Instead a call went out and trouble, violence ensued. Or maybe, if we had courageous elected officials who would just say, those statues aren’t offending anyone; they’re part of American history, and they stay. Imagine that, would there even be a story, any rally, and violence?

What happened in Charlottesville must not be allowed to happen again. And that means we need to hold ANY group responsible that promotes violence. :What do we want, dead cops; when do we want them, now" … "Pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon”…no more. Our streets aren’t the place for hoods and masks, such as Antifa wears, and their violence and destruction of property. Let’s call them all out, and not have this selective enforcement mentality rooted in partisan political hackery. If we don’t stop the blatant hypocrisy, which is truly the problem, then we’re sitting on a powder keg — which I believe some wish for. I have an idea. If y’all want to fight, sign up in the U.S. military — if you meet the standards. There are plenty of folks who do indeed hate the United States. Channel your angst against them…not each other.

My thoughts exactly. BTW, why isn't the media asking who told LE to stand down? Those groups shouldn't have been within a block of each other. I would be shocked if LE just stepped aside on their own. The Mayor knew what was coming. Maybe he has blood on his hands.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by bambino

My thoughts exactly. BTW, why isn't the media asking who told LE to stand down? Those groups shouldn't have been within a block of each other. I would be shocked if LE just stepped aside on their own. The Mayor knew what was coming. Maybe he has blood on his hands.

my guess is that someone told the mayor to have the police stand down and let antifa do their thing.

it looks like the governor of Virginia is involved with the helicopter crash. these guys were scouting ahead of the governor who wanted to check out the protests.

[IIFFOFRDB]

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[garhkal]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Let me begin by saying, I deplore any form of supremacist view — white, black, Hispanic, Islamic. I will be the first to openly state and embrace, a sense of American exceptionalism and supremacy that is rooted in our founding principles and values. Any and all else that is contradictory is to be condemned. What I have witnessed post the events of Saturday 12 August is the typical Rahm Emanuel mentality and political posturing: “never let a good crisis go to waste.” Therefore, I seek to assess what really happened in Charlottesville, Virginia.

Same here. i Decry all racist hate groups. BUT I WILL fight to the last to defend their RIGHT to speak their mind.

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

f there are those who truly believe we protect ourselves by trying to revise history due to false emotions, then we miss out on who we are as a nation, and our evolution. The statues of long since deceased leaders of the Confederate Army do not stand to remind anyone of oppression.

And if as some feel, we should remove them all, cause they represent hate/violence.. What about all the MLK statues? SINCE He did support the VIOLENCE perpetrated during the civil rights movement? Do we blow up Mount rushmore since 3 of the 4 presidents on it iirc owned slaves? Blow up every MOSQUE in the USA, since muslims are one of the FEW ethnic groups that STILL own slaves/deal in slaves.
Where does it end?

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

What should have happened is that these two groups should have been kept miles apart. I do not understanding why any local law enforcement agency would allow these two groups close proximity…first lesson learned.

Neither do I. BUT its a lesson that NEVER SEEMS to be learned.. Especially when these things keep happening in DEMOCRAT controlled cities, where the cops get TOLD TO LET the people riot all they want, be violent all they want etc.. I honestly feel that the LEFT WANTS these two groups to fight, so they can then DECRY the violent right wingers even MORE.. Even though MOST KKK Rally's don't become violent or riotous, UNLESS AND UNTIL Opposition groups show up and clash with them.

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

. How odd that when it was the New Black Panther Party outside a voting precinct in Philadelphia in black fatigues and with clubs, nothing was said. As a matter of fact, they weren’t even prosecuted for voter intimidation. And when it was the riots in Ferguson and Baltimore fueled by media false narratives and a presidential administration’s rhetoric, there was no blame lai on Barack Obama.

As i mentioned in that other thread, OBAMA even invited the black panthers and BLM to the white house.. AND THE MEDIA Praised him for it.. Can you imagine the "Heads exploding and virtuol' from the libtard controled media if trump invited the KKK there?

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

It appears to me that there is a blatant hypocrisy when an individual commits a horrible crime, such as in Charleston, South Carolina, and a collective group of people are to be held accountable. But, when there’s an Islamic terror attack people say, “we cannot rush to judgment” or “this is not indicative of all Muslims”…to wit I agree, but why not call the enemy for what it is” militant Islamic terrorism or jihadism?

IMO if it wasn't for the RANK Hypocritical double standards of the left, they wouldn't HAVE any standards at all..

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

And how many Democrat elected officials were pressured into making statements of condemnation of one Kathy Griffith who notoriously held up the bloodied severed head resembling President Trump?

Not a one to my recollection... NOT A FRIKKEN ONE condemned her, or any of the dozen OTHER liberal stars/teachers who have outright expressed a desire to kill the president or wanting someone else to do so..

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by bambino

My thoughts exactly. BTW, why isn't the media asking who told LE to stand down? Those groups shouldn't have been within a block of each other. I would be shocked if LE just stepped aside on their own. The Mayor knew what was coming. Maybe he has blood on his hands.

IMO like always the media KNOWS who told the cops to stand down. LIBERAL MAYORS. BUT to them, its never the police's fault, unless it happens to concern a cop shooting a black thug. THEN THERE"s all sort of anti-cop rhetoric..

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

it looks like the governor of Virginia is involved with the helicopter crash. these guys were scouting ahead of the governor who wanted to check out the protests.

Which is why i can't understand WHY it seems the media is painting those to officer's death as being CAUSED by the kkk's rally...

[eccieuser9500]

I B Rancoring

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

I B Rancoring

U B queer, pajama boy, that's what U B.

Originally Posted by garhkal

Same here. i Decry all racist hate groups. BUT I WILL fight to the last to defend their RIGHT to speak their mind.



And if as some feel, we should remove them all, cause they represent hate/violence.. What about all the MLK statues? SINCE He did support the VIOLENCE perpetrated during the civil rights movement? Do we blow up Mount rushmore since 3 of the 4 presidents on it iirc owned slaves? Blow up every MOSQUE in the USA, since muslims are one of the FEW ethnic groups that STILL own slaves/deal in slaves.
Where does it end?



Neither do I. BUT its a lesson that NEVER SEEMS to be learned.. Especially when these things keep happening in DEMOCRAT controlled cities, where the cops get TOLD TO LET the people riot all they want, be violent all they want etc.. I honestly feel that the LEFT WANTS these two groups to fight, so they can then DECRY the violent right wingers even MORE.. Even though MOST KKK Rally's don't become violent or riotous, UNLESS AND UNTIL Opposition groups show up and clash with them.



As i mentioned in that other thread, OBAMA even invited the black panthers and BLM to the white house.. AND THE MEDIA Praised him for it.. Can you imagine the "Heads exploding and virtuol' from the libtard controled media if trump invited the KKK there?



IMO if it wasn't for the RANK Hypocritical double standards of the left, they wouldn't HAVE any standards at all..



Not a one to my recollection... NOT A FRIKKEN ONE condemned her, or any of the dozen OTHER liberal stars/teachers who have outright expressed a desire to kill the president or wanting someone else to do so..

The remarks in the OP are Allen West's, not mine, but I do agree with what he says.

[eccieuser9500]

I B Rancoring

[GeorgeDRII]

Let's face it. The wrong that was done here, was there was no barrier between these groups. Knowing full well what would happen when such an event took place. Taking down General Lee's statue sort of reminds me of the decision to remove the rebel flag portion from a few state flags. It's not to erase history, but to put negative seccessionism upon a pedestal is to keep those torches burning. I remember in the summer of 1994 when I was an Infantryman in the 101st With Division, we trained cadets at West Point. Not one place up there had any statues or flags in rememberance of the Confederate Generals who graduated there. Do you know why? Because they stood for the breaking up up of the original Constitution of the US in which "All men are created equal", but the Confederacy wanted slaves. Sure there were some Presidents that owned slaves, but that's not what this country was founded on. It was founded on the institution of freedom of religion and speech and expression. To own slaves is a direct violation of the Construction! Remember the colonies did not agree to England in the taxation without representation policy. So the govenors elect got together after all of their own bickering and decided to draw up the Constitution. During that time they even had white slaves called indentured servants from the slums all over England. When I served 22 years as a Paratrooper and Special Forces, all of those groups were considered extremist groups and if you were found to be in one of those groups you were put in military confinement until you were court-martialed. You really want to know how the Civil War started? A book titled "Uncle Tom's Cabin" you would be surprised at what some of us spec ops personnel with top secret security clearances got to see in written documents preserved to this day.

Also, why are a majority of Army bases still named after Confederate Generals? Scratch your head and wonder about that. Notice I said Army bases, and not all of them. Let's take a look. Fort Bragg, Fort Jackson, Fort Lee. On fort Bragg there's a street named Longstreet after a Confederate General. Crazy right? How about Fort Benning, Fort Gordon, Fort Hood, Fort A.P. Hill. Don't believe me? I was in for 22 years. Do your research people.

So maybe remaining several Army bases should happen as well. If you're going to change state flags and remove a statue, why not rename those bases?

Because it all boils down to politics! Listen you can't make everyone in this country happy! But when I served I took an oath, and believe me that oath with stick with me to my last dying breath. To protect and defend the beliefs and freedom of all Americans no matter what color, family heritage or religious belief. It didn't state exactly but the wording is what it stands for. People will die in doing so. It's such a heavy cost to lay down upon the altar of freedom. Because freedom isn't free. There are those who will pay for it with our minds bodies and souls.

Taking down Lee's statue was nothing more than political appeasement for those who lobbied for it to take down. The kid who murdered tat girl, if he were here in Texas would face the death sentence. As far as Virginia goes, who knows. If I were the judge I would give him at the least life without parole. Murder is murder in the US there is no grey area in the borders of this country. I'm a native American so think of how my ancestors felt when the government pushed onto tribal spaces. I'm Shawnee by bloodline. So I honestly think that taking his statue down was a political statement period.

[Yssup Rider]

Statue was erected by the state; it's the state's businesss. Not the business of white supremacists from Ohio and other states.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Statue was erected by the state; it's the state's businesss. Not the business of white supremacists from Ohio and other states.

Why stop there? Burn down Monticello and destroy everything pertaining to Jefferson at UVA.

[Yssup Rider]

I'm sure that's just what you want, EATLER.

For a change, your comments reflect logic and deep thought.

How about don't post today? That would give us all a break.

FUCKING BLOATED TROLL.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by bambino

Why stop there? Burn down Monticello and destroy everything pertaining to Jefferson at UVA.

Seems like we pick and choose which statues we think worthy all the time....regardless of their history.