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Old 07-15-2011, 05:28 PM   #1
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Default Obama lied about a central fact about his own life which he used — powerfully — to push health care reform.

Obama lied about a central fact about his own life which he used — powerfully — to push health care reform.


"Book Challenges Obama on Mother’s Deathbed Fight," says the NYT, which, of course, isn't generally inclined to cast unnecessary aspersions on this President. "Lied" is my paraphrasing. The NYT wrote "mischaracterized."
During his presidential campaign and subsequent battle over a health care law, Mr. Obama quieted crowds with the story of his mother’s fight with her insurer over whether her cancer was a pre-existing condition that disqualified her from coverage.

In offering the story as an argument for ending pre-existing condition exclusions by health insurers, the president left the clear impression that his mother’s fight was over health benefits for medical expenses.

But in “A Singular Woman: The Untold Story of Barack Obama’s Mother,” author Janny Scott quotes from correspondence from the president’s mother to assert that the 1995 dispute concerned a Cigna disability insurance policy and that her actual health insurer had apparently reimbursed most of her medical expenses without argument....
The book came out in early May. The reason this article is hitting the front page today is that the NYT has been trying to extract a response from Obama.
On Wednesday, in response to repeated requests for comment that The Times first made in mid-June, shortly after the book’s release....
It took repeated requests for the NYT to get an answer to such an important question?!
... a White House spokesman chose not to dispute either Ms. Scott’s account or Mr. Obama’s memory, while arguing that Mr. Obama’s broader point remained salient.
Fake false but accurate?!
“We have not reviewed the letters or other material on which the author bases her account,” said Nicholas Papas, the spokesman. “The president has told this story based on his recollection of events that took place more than 15 years ago.”
This is the standard response of the memoirist: These are my memories. This is how I remember it. Even if I am mistaken, there is truth in the way this story has become part of me. (That notion is expressed beautifully in the interview at the end of the audiobook version of the thoroughly delightful "The Life and Times of the Thunderbolt Kid: A Memoir.")

But I don't accept that the President could have an innocently false memory about this story, which he milked dramatically, as Byron York describes here:
"I remember in the last month of her life, she wasn't thinking about how to get well, she wasn't thinking about coming to terms with her own mortality, she was thinking about whether or not insurance was going to cover the medical bills and whether our family would be bankrupt as a consequence," Obama said in September 2007.

"She was in her hospital room looking at insurance forms because the insurance company said that maybe she had a pre-existing condition and maybe they wouldn't have to reimburse her for her medical bills," Obama added in January 2008.

"The insurance companies were saying, 'Maybe there's a pre-existing condition and we don't have to pay your medical bills,' " Obama said in a debate with Republican opponent Sen. John McCain in October 2008.
Those terrible, heartless corporations have been a theme of the Obama presidency. He has been trying to structure American brains around that idea, so he can win acceptance of policies that most Americans don't want, and that story of his personal agony played an important role in pushing through an immense federal power.
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Old 07-16-2011, 04:37 AM   #2
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Obama lied about a central fact about his own life which he used — powerfully — to push health care reform.


"Book Challenges Obama on Mother’s Deathbed Fight," says the NYT, which, of course, isn't generally inclined to cast unnecessary aspersions on this President. "Lied" is my paraphrasing. Of course it is. The NYT wrote "mischaracterized."
During his presidential campaign and subsequent battle over a health care law, Mr. Obama quieted crowds with the story of his mother’s fight with her insurer over whether her cancer was a pre-existing condition that disqualified her from coverage.

In offering the story as an argument for ending pre-existing condition exclusions by health insurers, the president left the clear impression that his mother’s fight was over health benefits for medical expenses.
"He put it similarly as president in a town-hall-style meeting in Portsmouth, N.H., in August 2009. “I will never forget my own mother, as she fought cancer in her final months, having to worry about whether her insurance would refuse to pay for her treatment,” Mr. Obama said."

Worry about insurance refusing to pay? Of course. How many people have had insurance cancelled or not renewed? Even if they pay every penny you can easily worry because they pay after bill is presented. If they said no now and paid later it would be cause for worry.

Fake false but accurate?!
"Ms. Scott said in an interview that her reporting relied on copies of letters from Ms. Dunham to Cigna that were made available by friends."

Even Ms Scott doesn't claim she had all letters.

"Ms. Scott said in the interview that she did not turn up documents to suggest that Ms. Dunham had a similar dispute with her health insurer, which she did not name."

She did not turn up docs saying there was no similar dispute.
But I don't accept that the President could have an innocently false memory about this story, which he milked dramatically,
So?



He has been trying to structure American brains around that idea, so he can win acceptance of policies that most Americans don't want, How much of the reason that some Americans are against Obamacare is because of the following out and out blatant lies?
Boehner says study into the effectiveness of medical treatments would be used by government to ration care
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/25/john-boehner/boehner-says-study-effectiveness-medical-treatment/

Sarah Palin falsely claims Barack Obama runs a 'death panel'
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/10/sarah-palin/sarah-palin-barack-obama-death-panel/

Romney calls Obama's health care law a government takeover
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/13/mitt-romney/romney-calls-obamas-health-care-law-government-tak/

Fanelli's video suggests 'Obamacare' will cut off treatment for elderly
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2010/jun/07/dan-fanelli/fanellis-video-suggests-obamacare-will-cut-treatme/

Glenn Beck claims health care bill includes insurance for dogs
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/nov/12/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-claims-health-care-bill-includes-insura/

Bachmann says Obama health adviser thinks health care ought not to be extended to the disabled
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/12/michele-bachmann/bachmann-says-obama-health-adviser-thinks-health-c/

Unions don't have to comply with Obamacare, says Crossroads GPS
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/23/crossroads-gps/unions-dont-have-comply-obamacare-says-crossroads-/

Laura Ingraham says Massachusetts health plan is "wildly unpopular"
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/16/laura-ingraham/laura-ingraham-says-massachusetts-health-plan-wild/

House Speaker John Boehner labels money in health care bill “slush funds”
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/mar/31/john-boehner/house-speaker-john-boehner-labels-money-health-car/

Lamar Smith says that the Obama administration said the health care overhaul would reduce costs, but now acknowledge it will dramatically increase costs.
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/jan/23/lamar-smith/lamar-smith-says-obama-administration-said-health-/

Boehner:The health care law a "job killer"? The evidence falls short
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jan/20/eric-cantor/health-care-law-job-killer-evidence-falls-short/

Eric Cantor tells Jon Stewart that U.S. spent more in past two years than previous 200
http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2010/oct/27/eric-cantor/eric-cantor-tells-jon-stewart-us-spent-more-past-t/

U.S. Rep. Allen West says feds are going to "take over" education
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2011/jan/11/allen-west/west-says-feds-are-going-take-over-education/

Gov. Rick Perry says state Medicaid proposal has "languished" in federal file cabinet for years


http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/jan/06/rick-perry/gov-rick-perry-says-state-medicaid-proposal-has-la/

John Boehner, GOP claims that federal taxpayers will fund Pennsylvania abortions simply untrue



http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2010/jul/23/john-boehner/john-boehner-gop-claims-federal-taxpayers-will-fun/

O'Reilly says no one on Fox raised issue of jail time for not paying health coverage penalties
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/apr/27/bill-oreilly/oreilly-says-no-one-fox-raised-issue-jail-time-not/

Rep. John Carter says families with special needs children will pay $13 billion more in taxes under the new health care law
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/apr/18/john-carter/rep-john-carter-says-families-special-needs-childr/

Michele Bachmann claims Page 92 prohibits private insurance
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/nov/03/michele-bachmann/michele-bachmann-claims-page-92-prohibits-private-/

Bachmann says Democratic health care bill won't lower costs for average Americans
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/mar/04/michele-bachmann/bachmann-says-democratic-health-care-bill-wont-low/

Rick Santorum said Obama said "any child" born prematurely "can be killed"
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/mar/10/rick-santorum/rick-santorum-said-obama-said-any-child-born-prema/

and that story of his personal agony played an important role in pushing through an immense federal power.
Doubtful. And certainly nowhere near the amount that the above lies caused people to be against it.
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Old 07-16-2011, 05:48 AM   #3
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Default Marshall lied about a central fact about his own life which he used — weakly — to cast aspersions on the President..

Marshall, what's the "central fact" about President Obama's life that he lied about? Whether his mother was denied reimbursement for a healthcare treatment? That's kind of weak tea to be calling a "central fact" of his life, dontcha think?

Of course, we all know that any phony tidbit--no matter how small--can be amplified by the right-wing noise machine into the WORST. THING. EVER. Remember the dreaded "terrorist fist bump"?

You guys crack me up.
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Old 07-16-2011, 05:54 AM   #4
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Doubtful. And certainly nowhere near the amount that the above lies caused people to be against it.

HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! If you lifted your face out of Barry's lap long enough to look, you would see that your source is not reputable.....you don't appear to understand the Odumbocare legislation......

Barry lies and you say "SO?".......lying is acceptable to you......liberal communists anger conservatives when they tell lies, conservatives anger liberal communists when they tell the truth.....HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

You must love the shit sandwiches I feed you because this is your second helping......HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!
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Hmmmm, I wonder what Marshall would say if he were to find out that Obama started a war in Iraq that killed thousands upon thousands of American citizens. And he later found out that the information used to start the war was found to be false and/or misleading?

Perhaps he would just say starting the war was the "conservative" thing to do?
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Old 07-16-2011, 06:14 AM   #6
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Marshall, what's the "central fact" about President Obama's life that he lied about? Whether his mother was denied reimbursement for a healthcare treatment? That's kind of weak tea to be calling a "central fact" of his life, dontcha think?

Of course, we all know that any phony tidbit--no matter how small--can be amplified by the right-wing noise machine into the WORST. THING. EVER. Remember the dreaded "terrorist fist bump"?

You guys crack me up.
The death of a parent is not a central fact in one's life? I guess if you are a scumbag liberal, family is not important.....


Odumbo is implying that his mother died because an insurance company denied her coverage.....hmmmmmm......trut h is, Medicare and Medicaid deny coverage at much greater rates than private insurance.......
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The death of a parent is not a central fact in one's life? I guess if you are a scumbag liberal, family is not important.....


Odumbo is implying that his mother died because an insurance company denied her coverage.....hmmmmmm......trut h is, Medicare and Medicaid deny coverage at much greater rates than private insurance.......
He didn't lie about the death of his parent. She died. He said so. You're not even accusing him of lying about that. You're accusing him of lying about whether his mother was denied reimbursement for healthcare--certainly not a central fact in President Obama's own life. But please, dig in your heels on this one. I know you'll never admit you're wrong, but I like batting you around.
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Old 07-16-2011, 06:31 AM   #8
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The death of a parent is not a central fact in one's life? I guess if you are a scumbag liberal, family is not important.....


Odumbo is implying that his mother died because an insurance company denied her coverage.....hmmmmmm......trut h is, Medicare and Medicaid deny coverage at much greater rates than private insurance.......
He said she worried about it. He didn't say it killed her.

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Old 07-16-2011, 06:42 AM   #9
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HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! If you lifted your face out of Barry's lap long enough to look, you would see that your source is not reputable.....you don't appear to understand the Odumbocare legislation......
Politifact.com is not reputable? The NYT link you provided isn't true?

Barry lies and you say "SO?".......lying is acceptable to you......liberal communists anger conservatives when they tell lies, conservatives anger liberal communists when they tell the truth.....HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!
I said "So" to your statement. Because you are not a reputable source.

You must love the shit sandwiches I feed you because this is your second helping......HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!
You throw a 83 mph fastball that has no movement, in the big leagues. No links to back up anything you say.

The kind of "conservative" that makes real conservatives cringe.

Your laugh says it all.
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Old 07-16-2011, 06:50 AM   #10
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The kind of "conservative" that makes real conservatives cringe.

Your laugh says it all.
He is not a conserative. He has suc'd at the government tit and now does not want to pay taxes to help others suc at the same tit.

He is a welfare queen he so hates.
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