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Old 02-06-2019, 09:02 PM   #16
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Should have explained better. All of these points are correct. The Romans and a few Jewish leaders that were threatened by Our Lord Jesus Christs' presence conspired and executed Jesus. Jesus forgave and gave his life for us! Judas betrayal led to his death. It wasn't Jews or the Romans that killed Jesus. It was petty jealous greed and their need to dictate and stay in power.
jewish leaders (the phairesees) were jealous and feared him and spread lies about him. People were apparently listening and was probably something of maybe a B-list celebrity on the rise. that type of influence prolly threatened the jewish council's influence

Romans didn't give a 2 shits about prophets doing their proselytizing. lots of them plying that trade.

so, the jewish people were mis-informed of the actual facts of the matter.

Romans were the willing executors to make the "problem" go away for the good of the empire and of course get Jewish peace in the process.
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Old 02-06-2019, 09:24 PM   #17
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Old 02-06-2019, 09:29 PM   #18
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so many jews in Hollywood and they hate Israel.


so they do it for conformity's sake???? thats sad.
I don't think they hate Israel they are more like Michael Jordon selling shoes - he doesn't want to hurt sales by bitching at whitey.
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Old 02-06-2019, 09:37 PM   #19
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jewish leaders (the phairesees) were jealous and feared him and spread lies about him. People were apparently listening and was probably something of maybe a B-list celebrity on the rise. that type of influence prolly threatened the jewish council's influence

Romans didn't give a 2 shits about prophets doing their proselytizing. lots of them plying that trade.

so, the jewish people were mis-informed of the actual facts of the matter.

Romans were the willing executors to make the "problem" go away for the good of the empire and of course get Jewish peace in the process.
I wonder why Hitler hated the Jews.
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Old 02-06-2019, 09:52 PM   #20
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jewish leaders (the phairesees) were jealous and feared him and spread lies about him. People were apparently listening and was probably something of maybe a B-list celebrity on the rise. that type of influence prolly threatened the jewish council's influence

Romans didn't give a 2 shits about prophets doing their proselytizing. lots of them plying that trade.

so, the jewish people were mis-informed of the actual facts of the matter.

Romans were the willing executors to make the "problem" go away for the good of the empire and of course get Jewish peace in the process.
You're forgetting the sign the Romans put over his head on the cross. That the Romans were concerned with.

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You're forgetting the sign the Romans put over his head on the cross. That the Romans were concerned with.

that was just their way of insulting/humiliating people. it was a joke by the soldiers who put it up there. it was not a ordered by Pilate to put that there. at least that part is not mentioned in the bible.



that's the roman way of doing things.



as i said, they didn't care what he was doing.
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Old 02-06-2019, 11:08 PM   #22
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that was just their way of insulting/humiliating people. it was a joke by the soldiers who put it up there. it was not a ordered by Pilate to put that there. at least that part is not mentioned in the bible.



that's the roman way of doing things.



as i said, they didn't care what he was doing.
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JOHN 18:

29 Pilate then went out unto them, and said, What accusation bring ye against this man?

30 They answered and said unto him, If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up unto thee.

31 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death:

32 That the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying what death he should die.

33 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?

34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?

35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

39 But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews?

40 Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber.

JOHN 19:

1 Then Pilate therefore took Jesus, and scourged him.

2 And the soldiers platted a crown of thorns, and put it on his head, and they put on him a purple robe,

3 And said, Hail, King of the Jews! and they smote him with their hands.

4 Pilate therefore went forth again, and saith unto them, Behold, I bring him forth to you, that ye may know that I find no fault in him.

5 Then came Jesus forth, wearing the crown of thorns, and the purple robe. And Pilate saith unto them, Behold the man!

6 When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him.

7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.

8 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he was the more afraid;

9 And went again into the judgment hall, and saith unto Jesus, Whence art thou? But Jesus gave him no answer.

10 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee?

11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.

13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.

14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.

17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:

18 Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.

19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.

20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.

21 Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, The King of the Jews; but that he said, I am King of the Jews.

22 Pilate answered, What I have written I have written.

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Old 02-07-2019, 12:29 AM   #23
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Default Jesus' crucifixion had political overtones: he was a descendant of a Jewish king.

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1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;

3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;

4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;

5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;

6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;

7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;

8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;

9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;

10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;

11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:

12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;

13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;

14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;

15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;

16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.
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because Israel is a terrorist state that uses assassination squads to kill people.
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because Israel is a terrorist state that uses assassination squads to kill people.
The Israelis kill the right people unlike your friends who kill the wrong people.
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