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Old 01-11-2014, 02:06 AM   #46
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JD, you comparing apples to oranges again. Health Insurance is a necessity. Sky diving and hang gliding are nice to haves. Before the ACA you had 40 million U.S. citizens who don't have any health insurance. People with pre-existing conditions were simply denied health insurance, like the woman in the link below. Medications were too expensive for seniors, Bush implemented his prescription drug program to help seniors pay for their medications. So, entitlements are OK as long as they are started by a republican.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/21/opinio...iref=allsearch
The much ballyhooed number was 30 million and half of those voluntarily did not have health insurance. So this government and your president messed with a working PRIVATE system so he could "help" less than 5% of the population? Does that really sound sane?

Bush did not force anyone to buy drugs did he?
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The much ballyhooed number was 30 million and half of those voluntarily did not have health insurance. So this government and your president messed with a working PRIVATE system so he could "help" less than 5% of the population? Does that really sound sane?

Bush did not force anyone to buy drugs did he?
So, for the 40 million who do not have health insurance, just let them stay uninsured?

Only doctors can write a prescription and Bush is not a doctor.
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JD, you are comparing apples to oranges again. Health Insurance is a necessity. Sky diving and hang gliding are nice to haves. Before the ACA you had 40 million U.S. citizens who don't have any health insurance. People with pre-existing conditions were simply denied health insurance, like the woman in the link below. Medications were too expensive for seniors, Bush implemented his prescription drug program to help seniors pay for their medications. So, entitlements are OK as long as they are started by a republican.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/21/opinio...iref=allsearch
Are your breasts swollen again, flighty? You keep perpetuating the same lies.

Health Insurance isn't a necessity.
The number of people with insurance likely either has stayed the same or marginally increased after the 2014 deadline. That's after all the federal insurance subsidies, increased Medicaid spending and other Federal spending on things like the website and advertising to get this Obamacare to work. Not to mention the increase in premiums to people who already had HI.

If the Obamacare signup was a huge success, Carney would be out there spouting the numbers to back it up. Its not the website failure that he doesn't have numbers. He is simply stalling hoping that a miracle happens or something else puts this debacle on the back burner.

Anyone else anxious to hear the Obamacare success stories? I'm waiting to hear how Yssup Rider's mania is cured. Or that story TexasTushHog told about how his girl friend was finally able to see a doctor minutes after signing up for Obamacare? Has WTF been able to schedule surgery to remove that bug up his ass that causes him to devolve any thread into "granny didn't pay for her benefits and should die" argument.

Thanks Obama.
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So, for the 40 million who do not have health insurance, just let them stay uninsured?

Only doctors can write a prescription and Bush is not a doctor.
Avoiding the question?
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Avoiding the question?
That's been his MO the entire thread. When he attempts to answer a question he always falls back on the campaign rhetoric and "projections" instead of the actual data, which is why I think its a woman.
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Health Insurance isn't a necessity.

Really? I don't know of anyone who never gets sick. Doctors and hospitals don't work for free. Yes, an uninsured person who gets sick can go to the emergency room to get treated. The Regan law from 1987 states that hospital emergency rooms can't refuse someone. Who is paying for this? The taxpayer.

The number of people with insurance likely either has stayed the same or marginally increased after the 2014 deadline. That's after all the federal insurance subsidies, increased Medicaid spending and other Federal spending on things like the website and advertising to get this Obamacare to work. Not to mention the increase in premiums to people who already had HI.

If the Obamacare signup was a huge success, Carney would be out there spouting the numbers to back it up. Its not the website failure that he doesn't have numbers. He is simply stalling hoping that a miracle happens or something else puts this debacle on the back burner.

They have reported that 2 million accounts were created in December. The question is how many have paid there first premium? Some HI companies have pushed the due date for the 1st premium back to the 1/31/14. You may not see a report on this until February 2014. By the way, you have until March to sign up to be covered for 2014. The goal is 7 million signups for 2014. We will have to see if 5 more million sign up over the next 2 and 1/2 months.
The CBO is non-partisan and does not have a political agenda. You don't like the projections of the CBO, then that is on you.
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Avoiding the question?
Let's compare apples to apples. Republican Mitt Romney has the individual mandate in Mass. (You are required to purchase health insurance or pay a tax). So republican Mitt forced people in his state to buy HI. If this is ok for the state of Mass, then why not for other states? By the way, in the state of Mass 97% of the citizens have health insurance now. The ACA is trying to increased the amount of the percentage insured into the 90's.
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The CBO is non-partisan and does not have a political agenda. You don't like the projections of the CBO, then that is on you.
Some HI companies have pushed back the due date of the first premium payment to 1/30/14. So if you are looking for reports as to who has paid, don't expect them until February 2014.


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You know, I've talked to a few providers and they have never even heard of the obamacare mandatory payment stuff. They didn't even know there was anything CALLED obamacare. I'd be willing to bet there are a huge percentage of folks that have no clue this is even happening.
A whole lot of people are brain dead when it comes to anything besides american idol, love and hip hop or real house wives of wherever, or being a escort.
They need to free their minds, their ass will follow
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LMAO.... http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3110899/posts

As far back as 2008, at the presidential debate in Nashville, Democrat candidate Obama advanced his signature plan that was ultimately enacted (by an historic straight Democrat party-line vote) into the "Affordable Care Act :

OBAMA: "No. 1, let me just repeat, if you’ve got a health care plan that you like, you can keep it. All I’m going to do is help you to lower the premiums on it. You’ll still have choice of doctor.”

Repeated over and over ---- with the promise that every American family would be saving $2500.00 on healthcare costs.

LOCK-STEPPING PARTY LOYALTY NOT SEEN SINCE 1940's ERA EUROPE Obama And The Dumbos marched in lockstep. The persistent Dumbocrat drumbeat ---- in obeisance to Obama ---- kept ringing reassuringly in our ears: "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan."

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SEN. HARRY REID (D-Nev.): “In fact, one of our core principles is that if you like the health care you have, you can keep it.” (Sen. Reid, Congressional Record, S.8642, 8/3/09)

SEN. RICHARD DURBIN: “We believe — and we stand by this — if you like your current health insurance plan, you will be able to keep it, plain and simple, straightforward.” (Sen. Durbin, Congressional Record, S.6401, 6/10/09)

SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): “If you like your insurance, you keep it.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/29/09)

SEN. PATTY MURRAY (D-Wash.): “Again, if you like what you have, you will be able to keep it. Let me say this again: If you like what you have, when our legislation is passed and signed by the President, you will be able to keep it.” (Sen. Murray, Congressional Record, S.6400, 6/10/09)

SEN. MAX BAUCUS (D-Mont.): “That is why one of the central promises of health care reform has been and is: If you like what you have, you can keep it. That is critically important. If a person has a plan, and he or she likes it, he or she can keep it.” (Sen. Baucus, Congressional Record, S.7676, 9/29/10)

SEN. TOM HARKIN (D-Iowa): “One of the things we put in the health care bill when we designed it was the protection for consumers to keep the plan they have if they like it; thus, the term ‘grandfathered plans.’ If you have a plan you like — existing policies — you can keep them. … we said, if you like a plan, you get to keep it, and you can grandfather it in.” (Sen. Harkin, Congressional Record, S.7675-6, 9/29/10)

THEN-REP. TAMMY BALDWIN (D-Wis.): “Under the bill, if you like the insurance you have now, you may keep it and it will improve.” (Rep. Baldwin, Press Release, 3/18/10)

SEN. MARK BEGICH (D-Alaska): “If you got a doctor now, you got a medical professional you want, you get to keep that. If you have an insurance program or a health care policy you want of ideas, make sure you keep it. That you can keep who you want.” (Sen. Begich, Townhall Event, 7/27/09)

SEN. MICHAEL BENNET (D-Colo.): “We should begin with a basic principle: if you have coverage and you like it, you can keep it. If you have your doctor, and you like him or her, you should be able to keep them as well. We will not take that choice away from you.” (Sen. Bennet, Press Release, 6/11/09)

SEN. BARBARA BOXER (D-Calif.): “So we Democrats want people to be able to keep the health care they have. And the answer to that is choice of plans. And in the exchange, we’re going to have lots of different plans, and people will be able to keep the health care coverage they need and they want.” (Sen. Boxer, Press Release, 2/8/11)

SEN. SHERROD BROWN (D-Ohio): “Our Democrat bill says if you have health insurance and you like it, you can keep it…”(Sen. Brown, Congressional Record, S.12612, 12/7/09)

SEN. BEN CARDIN (D-Md.): “For the people of Maryland, this bill will provide a rational way in which they can maintain their existing coverage…” (Sen. Cardin, Congressional Record, S.13798, 12/23/09)

SEN. BOB CASEY (D-Pa.): “I also believe this Democrat legislation and the bill we are going to send to President Obama this fall will also have secure choices. If you like what you have, you like the plan you have, you can keep it. It is not going to change.” (Sen. Casey, Congressional Record, S.8070, 7/24/09)

SEN. KAY HAGAN (D-N.C.): ‘People who have insurance they’re happy with can keep it’ “We need to support the private insurance industry so that people who have insurance they’re happy with can keep it while also providing a backstop option for people without access to affordable coverage.” (“Republicans Vent As Other Compromise Plans Get Aired,” National Journal’s Congress Daily, 6/18/09)

SEN. MARY LANDRIEU (D-La.): “If you like the insurance that you have, you’ll be able to keep it.” (MSNBC’s Hardball, 12/16/09)

SEN. PAT LEAHY (D-Vt.): “[I]f you like the insurance you now have, keep the insurance you have.” (CNN’s “Newsroom,” 10/22/09)

SEN. BOB MENENDEZ (D-N.J.): “If you like what you have, you get to keep it” “Menendez is a member of the Senate Finance Committee, which is expected to release a bill later this week. He stressed that consumers who are satisfied with their plans won’t have to change. ‘If you like what you have, you get to keep it,’ he said.” (“Health Care Plan Would Help N.J., Menendez Says,” The Record, 6/19/09)

SEN. JEFF MERKLEY (D-Oreg.): “[E]nsuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it” “The HELP Committee bill sets forward a historic Democrat plan that will, for the first time in American history, give every American access to affordable health coverage, reduce costs, and increase choice, while ensuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it.” (Sen. Merkley, Press Release, 7/15/09)

SEN. BARBARA MIKULSKI (D-Md.): “It means that if you like the insurance you have now, you can keep it.” (Sen. Mikulski, Press Release, 12/24/09)

SEN. JAY ROCKEFELLER (D-W.Va.): “I want people to know, the President’s promise that if you like the coverage you have today you can keep it is a pledge we intend to keep.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Hearing, 9/23/09)

SEN. JACK REED (D-R.I.): “If you like the insurance you have, you can choose to keep it.” (Sen. Reed, Town Hall Event, 6/25/09)

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-Vt.): “‘If you have coverage you like, you can keep it,’ says Sen. Sanders.” (“Sick And Wrong,” Rolling Stone, 4/5/10)

SEN. JEANNE SHAHEEN (D-N.H.): ‘if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it’ “My understanding … is that … if you have health coverage that you like you can keep it. As I said, you may have missed my remarks at the beginning of the call, but one of the things I that I said as a requirement that I have for supporting a Democrat bill is that if you have health coverage that you like you should be able to keep that. …under every scenario that I’ve seen, if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it.” (Sen. Shaheen, “Health Care Questions From Across New Hampshire,” Accessed 11/13/13)

SEN. DEBBIE STABENOW (D-Mich.): “As someone who has a large number of large employers in my state, one of the things I appreciate about the Democrat chairman’s remark is — is the grandfathering provisions, the fact that the people in my state, 60 percent of whom have insurance, are going to be able to keep it. And Mr. Chairman, I appreciate that. That’s a strong commitment. It’s clear in the bill … I appreciate the strong commitment on your part and the president to make sure that if you have your insurance you can keep it. That’s the bottom line for me.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/24/09)

SEN. JON TESTER (D-Mont.): “‘If you like your coverage, you’ll be able to keep it,’ Tester said, adding that if Medicare changes, it will only become stronger”. (“Tester In Baker To Discuss Health Care,” The Fallon County Times, 11/20/09)

SEN. TOM UDALL (D-N.Mex.): “Some worried reform would alter their current coverage. It won’t. If you like your current plan, you can keep it.” (“What I Learned: About Health Care Reform This Summer, By Your Lawmakers In Congress,” Albuquerque Journal, 9/8/09)

SEN. SHELDON WHITEHOUSE (D-R.I.): “..it honors President Obama’s programs and the promise of all of the Presidential candidates that if you like the plan you have, you get to keep it. You are not forced out of anything.” (Sen. Whitehouse, Congressional Record, S.8668, 8/3/09)

Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) the 60th vote on Obamacare: "people who are happy with their current plan, wouldn't need to change it."

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The CBO is non-partisan and does not have a political agenda. You don't like the projections of the CBO, then that is on you.
Bullshit. When Obama touted Obamacare wouldn't add a single dime to the Federal Debt he got the CBO to back him up. The head of the CBO said that they could only work with the numbers and assumptions the White House or Congress gave them.

But that's not the projections I'm referring to. The White House signup numbers you continue to use are projections with little legitimacy. They are not reliable. They are simply lies.

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Some HI companies have pushed back the due date of the first premium payment to 1/30/14. So if you are looking for reports as to who has paid, don't expect them until February 2014.
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I'm not expecting reliable numbers until February 2016.
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Default Guess what they just discovered in the law?

It is in the law that if the insurance companies lose money on the exchanges then the federal government will make them whole (that means bailout). Yep, even if you don't sign up, you still have to pay!

Now we all know (according to the lefties) that the insurance companies are all about the money and can't be trusted. So why are we (Obama) going to allow them to say how much they lost and we have to make it up? Sounds like further evidence of a piss poor plan.

Also, new numbers tell us that fewer people than they thought signed up (but haven't paid yet) and most of them were not the invincibles but the old, sick, and lame.

Enjoy the ride down the drain!
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The much ballyhooed number was 30 million and half of those voluntarily did not have health insurance. So this government and your president messed with a working PRIVATE system so he could "help" less than 5% of the population? Does that really sound sane?

Bush did not force anyone to buy drugs did he?

the much ballyhooed 30 million is for 2020 ... there is a penalty for not participating in Part D

anyone mention you're a moron ?
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