A question on World War II

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Next year is the 80th anniversary of the start of World War II. I'm thinking about a website that covers the news of the war day by day as it happens plus 80 years. Here is the question; casualty counts were sometimes embargoed to spare the families of servicemen for as long as two months. If something like this got off the ground should the daily news be accurate according to our knowledge or the equivalent of 1939 knowledge? I imagine some socialists and communists found out on June 22 of 2021 the Germans attack their allies of the Soviet Union.

[lustylad]

The 80th anniversary is this year, not next year. Hitler invaded Poland on September 1, 1939.

[Hotrod511]

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

Next year is the 80th anniversary of the start of World War II. I'm thinking about a website that covers the news of the war day by day as it happens plus 80 years. Here is the question; casualty counts were sometimes embargoed to spare the families of servicemen for as long as two months. If something like this got off the ground should the daily news be accurate according to our knowledge or the equivalent of 1939 knowledge? I imagine some socialists and communists found out on June 22 of 2021 the Germans attack their allies of the Soviet Union.

What does this date have to do with WWII

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Hotrod511

What does this date have to do with WWII

80th anniversary of the date Hitler launched his invasion of Russia (Operation Barbarossa) on June 22, 1941.

[kehaar]

My vote would be to do it in real, not delayed time. While some information was embargoed, most was not.

You could find the major instances of delay, and incorporate them. There weren't actually that many catastrophes on the US side worthy of such things.

The actual information that the Germans received around time of Stalingrad would be interesting to simulate. They were thoroughly misinformed(winning) until the time that 250,000+ soldiers disappeared from german existence permanently.

There are several books that chronicle by interview the German and Soviet soldier existence in WWII. All I can say is that we are blessed to have reasonably good information about the state of our world and society. The alternative sucks.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by lustylad

80th anniversary of the date Hitler launched his invasion of Russia (Operation Barbarossa) on June 22, 1941.

actually that would be the 78th anniversary. 80th would be in 2021.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

Next year is the 80th anniversary of the start of World War II. I'm thinking about a website that covers the news of the war day by day as it happens plus 80 years. Here is the question; casualty counts were sometimes embargoed to spare the families of servicemen for as long as two months. If something like this got off the ground should the daily news be accurate according to our knowledge or the equivalent of 1939 knowledge? I imagine some socialists and communists found out on June 22 of 2021 the Germans attack their allies of the Soviet Union.

I'd do it in real time. include the embargoed stuff. that might need to be highlighted with an asterisk saying not publically known at that time).

[I B Hankering]

The Sicilian Expedition was an Athenian military expedition to Sicily, in the years 415–413 BC. The Athenians lost everything they had committed to battle: two hundred ships of war with 30,000 sailors and some 10,000 soldiers were lost in a single stroke -- killed or captured and enslaved. But news of the defeat did not reach Athens for several months, and the bearer of the news was unaware that the Athenians did not know.

"It is said that the Athenians would not believe their loss, in a great degree because of the person who first brought them news of it. For a certain stranger, it seems, coming to Piraeus, and there sitting in a barber's shop, began to talk of what had happened, as if the Athenians already knew all that had passed; which the barber hearing, before he acquainted anybody else, ran as fast as he could up into the city, addressed himself to the Archons, and presently spread it about in the public Place. On which, there being everywhere, as may be imagined, terror and consternation, the Archons summoned a general assembly, and there brought in the man and questioned him how he came to know. And he, giving no satisfactory account, was taken for a spreader of false intelligence and a disturber of the city, and was, therefore, fastened to the wheel and racked a long time, till other messengers arrived that related the whole disaster particularly. So hardly was Nicias believed to have suffered the calamity which he had often predicted," Plutarch, in his Life of Nicias.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

actually that would be the 78th anniversary. 80th would be in 2021.

??? Read it again. Carefully.

Hotrod's question was about June 22, 2021 (not 2019).

[rexdutchman]

I'm so confused ?

[Jackie S]

I am not sure what the OP is asking.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

I am not sure what the OP is asking.

The question is: For this activity, does one report the war on a time-line that is in accord with the actual sequence of events? Or, does one report the events of the war on a time-line reflecting the way they were reported by authorities to civilians during the war?

E.g., what transpired in the tragedy that was "Exercise Tiger" was never reported to the public during the war, let alone in April of 1944. Thus, details of "Exercise Tiger" wouldn't even be mentioned in a scenario where one only reports what the authorities released to the public. The same holds true for the "Ultra Secret": it was 1974 before that info was made public.

[Hotrod511]

Originally Posted by lustylad

80th anniversary of the date Hitler launched his invasion of Russia (Operation Barbarossa) on June 22, 1941.

With the way he worded it is what confused me
(I imagine some socialists and communists found out on June 22 of 2021 the Germans attack their allies of the Soviet Union.)

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Hotrod511

With the way he worded it is what confused me
(I imagine some socialists and communists found out on June 22 of 2021 the Germans attack their allies of the Soviet Union.)

It wasn't until 1979 that Iran's "Screaming Mary" -- who blamed the U.S. for the whole of WWII as an American imperialistic venture -- learned that the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941. She, no doubt, learned her history from the likes of Noam Chomsky.

[Hotrod511]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

It wasn't until 1979 that Iran's "Screaming Mary" -- who blamed the U.S. for the whole of WWII as an American imperialistic venture -- learned that the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941. She, no doubt, learned her history from the likes of Noam Chomsky.

Thank's IB I have spent more time studying what we did in the Pacific than Europe mainly because my father served in the Navy during WWII