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Old 06-02-2011, 12:28 PM   #31
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AFTER YOU GOT FOUND GUILTY DEPENDING ON WHICH STATE BUT AFTER 3 YEARS YOU BAN HAVE IT DISCLOSED THEN IT WON'T SHOW UP AT ALL WHEN THEY PULL YOUR NAME TAKE TO A LAWYER ABOUT THAT IT IS ONLY A 250 FILLING FEE
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Old 06-02-2011, 01:07 PM   #32
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AFTER YOU GOT FOUND GUILTY DEPENDING ON WHICH STATE BUT AFTER 3 YEARS YOU BAN HAVE IT DISCLOSED THEN IT WON'T SHOW UP AT ALL WHEN THEY PULL YOUR NAME TAKE TO A LAWYER ABOUT THAT IT IS ONLY A 250 FILLING FEE
Number 1: Hey, Nicole! Please stop with the all-caps. Reading all-caps can be headache-inducing.

Number 2: In Texas, no defendant who's "found guilty" or who's placed on so-called "regular" or "straight" probation (as opposed to deferred adjudication probation) can have the records regarding his or her case expunged (i.e., destroyed) or sealed. However, a defendant placed on a deferred probation can have records sealed, as long as certain requirements are met.
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Old 06-05-2011, 06:04 PM   #33
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I hoped my question won't be considered as hijacking the thread. I have a hypothettical question (based on post #30 above) for all knowledgable people in this forum is:

If a guy contacted a lady by phone only (voice and text messaging, emails) no meeting in the public or private place whatsoever. They both were lusting for awhile and only talked something like we will meet for couple hours for dinner and drink, get to know each other etc and depend on how it turned out, the guy will compensate for the lady's time with an mount from $x - y$. Absolutely, never mentioned anything with explicitly sexual context in the communication between those two.

Assumed it was discussed exactly as the definitionof the escort business, nothing happened in the real life yet. Per Texas Prostitution Law, is there any ground of pursuing legal action to the guy if the lady was an undercovered LE or the lady blackmailed, threaten to bring the subject to LE etc ???
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Old 06-05-2011, 09:12 PM   #34
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I guess if they want ya they'll come get ya. OH and I don't know if it's the same everywhere but TX LE doesn't have to answer yes to the ARE YOU OR ANYONE YOU KNOW AFFILIATED WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT OR ANY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT ANGENCIES. I know a few gals that work back home in TX that told me the cops lie and say NO they aren't LE. See that's exactly why I STRICTLY screen all callers
No cop anywhere has to tell you he's a cop when in an investigation. Wouldn't that be a little to easy to ruin the investigation if he had to tell you the truth. It's an undercover operation. They don't owe you that curtisey. Sorry I know you want to believe otherwise.
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Old 06-06-2011, 01:00 PM   #35
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I hoped my question won't be considered as hijacking the thread. I have a hypothettical question (based on post #30 above) for all knowledgable people in this forum is:

If a guy contacted a lady by phone only (voice and text messaging, emails) no meeting in the public or private place whatsoever. They both were lusting for awhile and only talked something like we will meet for couple hours for dinner and drink, get to know each other etc and depend on how it turned out, the guy will compensate for the lady's time with an mount from $x - y$. Absolutely, never mentioned anything with explicitly sexual context in the communication between those two.

Assumed it was discussed exactly as the definitionof the escort business, nothing happened in the real life yet. Per Texas Prostitution Law, is there any ground of pursuing legal action to the guy if the lady was an undercovered LE or the lady blackmailed, threaten to bring the subject to LE etc ???
No offense, but your last paragraph is about as clear as mud, but I'll try to answer your questions.

1. If you're asking whether a man and woman discussing money for meeting without there being an explicit discussion of sexual conduct is "prostitution" under Texas law, my answer is "no."

2. Can the woman in your hypothetical blackmail the man by threatening to go to LE? Sure, anybody can threaten anybody on any subject and threaten to go to anyone, I guess. But if the guy reads my answer to your first question, he shouldn't lose any sleep over it.
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:19 PM   #36
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No cop anywhere has to tell you he's a cop when in an investigation. Wouldn't that be a little to easy to ruin the investigation if he had to tell you the truth. It's an undercover operation. They don't owe you that curtisey. Sorry I know you want to believe otherwise.
I totally agree and when gentlemen have asked me if I am a cop or associated with le I tell them no, and that I would not have to tell them if I was. Duh!!! Come on.
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Old 06-08-2011, 07:42 PM   #37
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I totally agree and when gentlemen have asked me if I am a cop or associated with le I tell them no, and that I would not have to tell them if I was. Duh!!! Come on.
Well I think by asking it places people, clients and providers alike in a feeling of comfort or trust. and sadly it is a false sense of security.
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Old 06-10-2011, 02:53 AM   #38
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SJ, isn't a male, when proposing marrage, gets on a knee in a public resturant, presenting a ring and discussing their upcomming wedding night actually breaking the law in Texas?
The giving of favors in expectation of sexual services seems to be the important part.
So lets charge married vice officers with prostitution.
Back in the Teresa Brown days we would joke around the City Desk that we were all whores and surly anyone who works for money is indeed.
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Old 06-10-2011, 11:18 AM   #39
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SJ, isn't a male, when proposing marrage, gets on a knee in a public resturant, presenting a ring and discussing their upcomming wedding night actually breaking the law in Texas?
The giving of favors in expectation of sexual services seems to be the important part.
So lets charge married vice officers with prostitution.
Back in the Teresa Brown days we would joke around the City Desk that we were all whores and surly anyone who works for money is indeed.
I know you wrote this in jest, but I often read comments on this board stating that since marriage is the same as prostitution, laws making prostitution a crime should be repealed. While I'm all for erasing all laws restricting sexual activities between consenting adults, I believe equating marriage with prostitution is fallacious. The same is true regarding sugar babies, girlfriends, fuck buddies, etc. Prostitution involves distinct, separate, quid pro quo transactions of money for sex. Having a spouse, SB, gf, or fuck buddy involves ongoing, connected, and overlapping human interactions that certainly involve money, but also involve many other tangibles and intangibles as well.

btw, who's Teresa Brown?
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Old 06-10-2011, 08:48 PM   #40
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Prostitution involves distinct, separate, quid pro quo transactions of money for sex. Having a spouse, SB, gf, or fuck buddy involves ongoing, connected, and overlapping human interactions that certainly involve money, but also involve many other tangibles and intangibles as well.
So can you beat the rap with an alternative billing arrangement in which there is a long-term subscription-based provider relationship and just not pay for individual BCD sessions? No money for sex. You are paying for the relationship, which just so happens to also involve sex, but also involves all kinds of other activities. Seems like a nice variant of the paying for time idea, but more flexibility.

I bet this is probably a losing argument in most, if not all jurisdictions. If they sweep you up, you're screwed (unless you get a really good lawyer and have a few lucky breaks). I don't see this winning a judge or a jury, and it sure as hell is not going to appeal to the DA or vice. Nevertheless, I like your version of the law way better than the realities of vice enforcement.
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Old 06-10-2011, 10:48 PM   #41
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What gets me is if you ask a lady is she a cop (or if the lady asks the guy is HE a cop) and records that statement.... its not useful in court. COPS are allowed to lie to you about this.

I think that if you ask them and they say NO, yet you have them say it, or say you have a video of them getting some form of service, when they start to perform a sexual act, they are NO LONGER acting like a police officer therefore they are breaking the law.

I would think that a police officer LYING to a CITIZEN so they can be a cop or do their job should be held against them.
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Old 06-13-2011, 12:10 PM   #42
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So can you beat the rap with an alternative billing arrangement in which there is a long-term subscription-based provider relationship and just not pay for individual BCD sessions? No money for sex. You are paying for the relationship, which just so happens to also involve sex, but also involves all kinds of other activities. Seems like a nice variant of the paying for time idea, but more flexibility.

I bet this is probably a losing argument in most, if not all jurisdictions. If they sweep you up, you're screwed (unless you get a really good lawyer and have a few lucky breaks). I don't see this winning a judge or a jury, and it sure as hell is not going to appeal to the DA or vice. Nevertheless, I like your version of the law way better than the realities of vice enforcement.
I've written about these kind of arguments before. It's the same as a provider calling a dollar a "rose" or a hobbyist calling a fee a "gift." Let's all say the following together (which I call The Duck Rule):

"In the criminal justice system, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck."
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Old 06-17-2011, 06:07 AM   #43
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SJ, Teresa Brown was a famious madam here in San Antonio,who at one time had as clients many Texas law makers plus many sport figures and most of city hall. This was in the mid to late 70's. The city could not touch her so the feds got her with the Mann act. She usually made it a rule to switch girls with a madam in Houston,(girls changed weekly) but she got in a pinch and had two girls flown in from New Orleans.... So bang she was busted.
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Interesting. Thanks for the info.
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Old 07-16-2011, 11:43 AM   #45
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The really large question here is why is consensual sex for money illegal in this tightly wound, hypocritical society?

Every other civilised country in the world has come to grips with this and legitimized the industry.
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