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Old 02-19-2012, 09:06 AM   #31
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:23 PM   #32
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@ShysterJon you said
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If a hobbyist just goes to court and pays a fine he's a fool. He'll have a conviction - and a sex-related one at that - on his record for the rest of his life. If he doesn't plan in advance for the contingency of arrest - after all, in case I need to remind you, hobbying is illegal - and somehow his spouse, SO, employer, family, friends, etc., get wind of his arrest, he's worse than a fool. He's a complete, total shithead.
I just don't understand what you mean. So, if say I am caught with my pants down one day at a massage parlor just getting a tug (which is ridiculous that it is even illegal I mean seriously), and I actually cooperate with LE I am a shithead? I don't exactly understand what you mean.

Could you clarify what a hobbyist should expect in the event of the unfortunate event of being caught with his pants down during a raid for example? Or is that something I shouldn't ask about?

For all they know, the masseuse coulda liked me and did it for free right?
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Old 08-03-2012, 04:29 PM   #33
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I just don't understand what you mean. So, if say I am caught with my pants down one day at a massage parlor just getting a tug (which is ridiculous that it is even illegal I mean seriously), and I actually cooperate with LE I am a shithead? I don't exactly understand what you mean.

Could you clarify what a hobbyist should expect in the event of the unfortunate event of being caught with his pants down during a raid for example? Or is that something I shouldn't ask about?

For all they know, the masseuse coulda liked me and did it for free right?
Are you REALLY asking me if it would be imprudent to cooperate with the cops if you're standing there in a whorehouse with your little man al fresco and a sporting girl blowing your trumpet, and you're arrested for prostitution? If you're kidding -- well, I like a good joke. But if by some stretch of the imagination you're serious, my response to you is two-fold:

1. OF COURSE it would be imprudent! Assisting LE by confessing to your participation in criminal activity is like putting your own damn fool neck in a noose.

2. I noticed you just joined Eccie today. I know, I know -- you'll say you've been around the hobby for years. Fine. I hope you become an active contributor. But one learns more by listening than talking. Read up on how to deal with LE. There are some good threads in this forum.
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Old 08-04-2012, 12:53 AM   #34
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Well, no I just needed to understand in detail what you meant by that statement. I am by no means experienced as a hobbyist, I am more of a strip club enthusiast if anything. I'm def. a newbie there and I really appreciate your advice. I remember ASPD also and had a registered account if I remember. Thanks a lot!
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Old 03-31-2013, 10:53 AM   #35
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A good cop will never let you know if they think you're full of shit or not. I got pulled over, I rolled my window down about 3 inches and put my drivers license out the window. The cop said roll down your window so I can talk to you. I did, then was asked so... where are you headed? I then stated I'm not answering any of questions. The cop said something to the effect that I was acting belligerent. I said no I was not and that I respectfully decline to answer any questions. Looking back I should have been more polite, but they caught me in a speed trap!

My point is that I tried to not talk from the start, but they still found a way, to get me to talk. They do this all day everyday. They are counseled by prosecutors and take classes on Miranda rights. It takes a lot of work, and discipline to try the am I free to leave bit.
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Old 03-31-2013, 11:50 AM   #36
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I got pulled over recently for speeding. He had me cold + 20 mph.

I quickly pulled over, rolled the windows completely down on both sides of the car, put it in park, turned off the car, threw the keys on the dash, and placed both hands on the steering wheel. As soon as he approached (from the open passenger side window), I immediately said, “I’m a CHL holder, and I’ve got a gun in the center console,” without removing a muscle, especially my hands from the steering wheel. LE calmly said show me your license and insurance. I explained my license is in my wallet, and my insurance is in the glove box. He told me to get them. (While holding his hand on his hip area…lol). He checked me out and let me off with a warning.

I’ve heard similar stories from CHL holders. Of course, if I had just picked up a working girl on Harry Hines, things might not have been so amiable. However, even if you’re a not a CHL holder, police appreciate it very, very, very much when you behave in a similar manner---windows rolled down, car turned off, hands on wheel, and NO FURTIVE MOVEMENTS. Start out being polite and exceedingly deferential. Try to view the situation from the officer’s safety point of view. Later on, if you lawyer up, LE will likely appreciate that you’re not just shitting all over them and acting like an asshole.

On the other hand, if LE acts like a total asshole, and you end up being arrested, the dash cam video and the officer's microphone audio will do you loads of good at trial.
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:26 AM   #37
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I got pulled over recently for speeding. He had me cold + 20 mph.

I quickly pulled over, rolled the windows completely down on both sides of the car, put it in park, turned off the car, threw the keys on the dash, and placed both hands on the steering wheel. As soon as he approached (from the open passenger side window), I immediately said, “I’m a CHL holder, and I’ve got a gun in the center console,” without removing a muscle, especially my hands from the steering wheel. LE calmly said show me your license and insurance. I explained my license is in my wallet, and my insurance is in the glove box. He told me to get them. (While holding his hand on his hip area…lol). He checked me out and let me off with a warning.

I’ve heard similar stories from CHL holders. Of course, if I had just picked up a working girl on Harry Hines, things might not have been so amiable. However, even if you’re a not a CHL holder, police appreciate it very, very, very much when you behave in a similar manner---windows rolled down, car turned off, hands on wheel, and NO FURTIVE MOVEMENTS. Start out being polite and exceedingly deferential. Try to view the situation from the officer’s safety point of view. Later on, if you lawyer up, LE will likely appreciate that you’re not just shitting all over them and acting like an asshole.

On the other hand, if LE acts like a total asshole, and you end up being arrested, the dash cam video and the officer's microphone audio will do you loads of good at trial.
Well... Haha. You didn't also say, "I have committed no crime today, sir"?

I pretty much agree with your approach, except for the rolling down all your windows part. That's odd, and odd behavior could cause Barney Fife's blood to race a little and raise his suspicions. (The cop had his hand near his hip, and therefore his gun, during a plain-Vanilla speeding stop? Hmm...) I'm not sure cops appreciate people acting strangely during traffic stops. So I wouldn't suggest rolling down all your windows (especially if you have a stack of bloody human heads in your back seat, unless they're neatly stashed in your Balenciaga suitcase).

And that brings me to a point I've made before: Your behavior may vary during a traffic stop depending on what you have in your car. If you're taking a truckload of nuns to Starbucks, it shouldn't be hard to remain cool when jawboning with John Law. But if you have 25 keys of white powder heroin wrapped in Handy-Wrap sitting on your back seat, well, you might be a bit more concerned with a cop in your face. Grace under pressure is rare, so if you get nervous under pressure you might avoid engaging in behavior that could lead to contacts with LE.
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:53 AM   #38
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Oh yea, I tossed the meth pipe out the window and swallowed a bunch of stuff while going 'round a curve. Turning the engine off prevented a DWI arrest in case it was a long traffic stop and the meds kicked in. "I got wasted after the traffic stop while the cop was searching my car for drugs I had already swallowed." Works every time.
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:11 PM   #39
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I like the one where the cop ask ''do you have any drugs, guns, or bombs in your car'' then before you can answer he ask'' do you mind if I take a look''. The first thing you say is'' no'', answering his question about the drugs, guns or bombs, when really your answering his ''do you mind if I look'' question.
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I like the one where the cop ask ''do you have any drugs, guns, or bombs in your car'' then before you can answer he ask'' do you mind if I take a look''. The first thing you say is'' no'', answering his question about the drugs, guns or bombs, when really your answering his ''do you mind if I look'' question.

That's sneaky.
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Old 04-02-2013, 02:11 PM   #41
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I like the one where the cop ask ''do you have any drugs, guns, or bombs in your car'' then before you can answer he ask'' do you mind if I take a look''. The first thing you say is'' no'', answering his question about the drugs, guns or bombs, when really your answering his ''do you mind if I look'' question.

Funny thing is, if you lie to the cop, and you really do have drugs, guns, or a bomb in your car, it’s another criminal offense. Of course, a false statement offense is not as bad an offense as having drugs, guns, and bombs in your car. Plus, the sentences will won currently, so there is really no extra penalty for lying.

Regarding the question, do you mind if I look in your car….I would try saying, my lawyer tells me to always say no. If you want to argue about it with him, call Shyster Jon. The cops probably know him.
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Old 04-02-2013, 03:48 PM   #42
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Funny thing is, if you lie to the cop, and you really do have drugs, guns, or a bomb in your car, it’s another criminal offense. Of course, a false statement offense is not as bad an offense as having drugs, guns, and bombs in your car. Plus, the sentences will won currently, so there is really no extra penalty for lying.
It's true that in Texas, it's an offense to lie to a cop investigating a crime. However, I've never heard of a case where a person was charged with possessing contraband (that is, something the possession of which is illegal), AND lying about possessing contraband to a cop. Of course, in other states they pile on charges over one set of facts. For example, in California, if you push a guy off the balcony of the Chateau Marmont, they might charge you with murder, littering the sidewalk, and possession of bad vibes, man.

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...the sentences will won currently...
I think you mean the sentences will run concurrently.

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Regarding the question, do you mind if I look in your car….I would try saying, my lawyer tells me to always say no. If you want to argue about it with him, call Shyster Jon. The cops probably know him.
Say, "Officer, I would really like to talk with you, but my lawyer won't let me. And his name is ShysterJon." At that point, step back, because the cop will spit on the ground.
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I was probably thinking you’ll win a concurrent sentence. Spell checker only helps so much.

However, the same goes for felony evading with a motor vehicle. If you got a dead body in the trunk, what the heck. You might as well take your chances and run. The 2 year evading will run concurrently with the 99 year murder sentence.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:21 PM   #44
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I try to be as polite as possible....kill em' with kindness.

I don't trust LE under most circumstance so I only answer what I have to. I know my rights and if I have to shut up and lawyer up, I will not hesitate in doing so.

IMO they prey on the uninformed. Therefore,it is very important to know your basic rights!
If all else fails, remember you do not have to disclose anything and you have every right to secure legal representation!
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Old 04-03-2013, 04:13 PM   #45
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Another great bull shit cop question. You've had one drink. He pulls you over. Have you been drinking?Yes I had a beer. (Having a drink is not against the law, driving impaired is. And however many drinks you say, they assume it's at least double that.) "So, on a scale of 0 to 10, how impaired are you?""Zero, I am not impaired." is the only correct answer. Not wanting to lie people think 1 or 2 is honest and nothing happens. Anything other than zero, even a 1, is admitting to being impaired and now he has probable cause.
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