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Old 10-26-2011, 03:38 AM   #1
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Default NBA - Preference Vs.Prejudice Vs.Racism Superthread

I know this topic has been discussed in length but I have yet to see any sensible replies from providers who limit their clientele based solely on race. I've heard the argument of it being a matter of preference. But isn't excluding someone based on race the very definition of racism?? Preference is based on a liking or disliking, a favoritism toward one thing or person over another. Yes, it's a choice but every choice we make is influenced by something. We don't decide anything without reason. So saying as a provider I don't see Black Men as a matter of preference can be construed as I don't like Black Men. Whatever the reasons, those providers are making it known they don't favor, like or "prefer" men of that race. So are they racist?? Maybe, maybe not. If their choice is based on culturally biased opinions about AA men then at the very least it's prejudice. If it's based on a superficial unattractive quality they think AA men have then it's preference. But if it's not based on anything but the fact that they are Black then that's just flat out Racism. In any case understanding it remains a mystery to me as I can't imagine not finding some partiality to some AA men and making exceptions on a client by client basis. I mean if Denzel Washington showed up at these providers door your telling me they'd turn him away??
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Turn away Denzel Washington? Hell yes they would. Why wouldn't they, they turned me away? Discrimiation is not just limited to men of color. I have found chubby, funny, fifty year old guys get discrinated upon as well. But we make due!
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Old 10-26-2011, 04:17 AM   #3
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Yes of course discrimination can come in many different forms but I was specifically referring to racism for this topic. Whether or not such providers are truly racist or are their actual reasons they have for not seeing AA men.
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Old 10-26-2011, 04:20 AM   #4
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... women are WORKING and this is not considered their personal life so, if they discriminate its "WRONG". I don't care if some get mad at me for speaking up on this subject.
Providers that want their privacy for the sake of THEIR PERSONAL LIFE and then they are going to discriminate on who they see. You don't see strip clubs or massage parlors that has a sign on the door "no black men".
Some women are afraid they won't get business in the back-wood states where prejudice ppl are located.
Like we have a choice on how we are born. Where is the empathy and compassion on that logical thinking.... If I had a choice I would want to be taller and green eyes.
who is old? I don't ask the man's age unless he sounds tooo young.
weight? I have never asked a man's size..
Has there been women that done such?
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WTF? this is not right... women are WORKING and this is not considered their personal life so, if they discriminate its "WRONG". I don't care if some get mad at me for speaking up on this subject.
Providers that want their privacy for the sake of THEIR PERSONAL LIFE and then they are going to discriminate on who they see. You don't see strip clubs or massage parlors that has a sign on the door "no black men".
Some women are afraid they won't get business in the back-wood states where prejudice ppl are located.
Like we have a choice on how we are born. Where is the empathy and compassion on that logical thinking.... If I had a choice I would want to be taller and green eyes.
who is old? I don't ask the man's age unless he sounds tooo young.
weight? I have never asked a man's size..
Has there been women that done such?
Putting a non black men sign on the door will attract unwanted attention.
However, there are a lot of women that choose not to see black men. How can you tell another woman who she should let into her body? Have you ever looked at it that way? This business is about choices. If I don't want to fuck a mexican, I will not. For some of us Anita, we do have the luxury to pick and choose who we see. We're not all money hungry greedy bitches. I'm not going to fuck someone I dont' want to fuck. Makes sense now?

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That is like saying why do we screen?
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Old 10-26-2011, 04:31 AM   #6
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Nobody's justifying anything here. No one is saying discrimination is OK as long as you have your reasons. I'm trying to open up an honest discussion and better understand why some providers have this policy. I'm not here to judge anybody or talk about fairness or right vs. wrong. Your turning this into an ethical issue Anita and that's not what this is.
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Old 10-26-2011, 04:36 AM   #7
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I have spoken to men on the phone and couldn't tell what his nationality was and he was well spoken. He had reviews and passed screening with no mention of his look or color.
Not referring to just taking anyone. There are GREAT gentlemen of ALL types.
It would be prejedice of me to assume the worse if he is a great guy and passes screening.
Looking at it as business point and I understand what Naomi means.
You also have the right in business to deny services to anyone in YOUR STORE.
No idea what you mean by money hungry greedy bitches?
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Old 10-26-2011, 04:39 AM   #8
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Naomi your a perfect example of what i'm talking about also. " If I don't want to fuck a mexican, I will not." You absolutely have the luxury and right Naomi but where's the logic behind not fucking a Mexican?? Is a Mexican's money not as good as anyone else's?? You used the word business. If you truly see things from a business perspective aren't u really contradicting yourself?? A business person doesn't care what race of person their doing business with, the bottom line is making money. I'm asking people to if they will be honest and share any reasons they might have for not seeing a client based on race. We don't make deductions out of thin air people there must be someone who has an actual reason not just the same it's my right rhetoric.
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Old 10-26-2011, 04:48 AM   #9
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Everyone has a right so let's not make this about rights either. Not debating if you have the right. Simply asking is there even a reason some providers have for not seeing AA men or is their decision solely based on race. Is that a hard question to answer?? geez....
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Is this an NBA thread worded a little different? I'm just asking lol
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I opened up this discussion so any providers who have such a policy might elaborate on why they don't see AA men. It's not about rights it's about reasons. A right isn't a reason, it doesn't explain anything. Not saying providers here MUST have their reasons but I am asking any providers who DO want to share some reasons they have to do so. Hope you all understand. No offense either to anyone at all.
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Old 10-26-2011, 05:29 AM   #12
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I don't think any providers should be presumed racist as I've read plenty of people say in other discussions about them. However, I don't think providers are being truthful when they say they don't see AA men for no reason at all. I was hoping some brave providers might actually enlighten us with some logic behind the implementation of this policy.
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Old 10-26-2011, 06:12 AM   #14
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There are Black female providers btw who have this same policy of not seeing Black men or any men of color. I've read ads from Black women that said "White Men Only". So the irony there suggest that there are real reasons behind this policy whether you agree or disagree with it's existence. I asked a young AA female on back page who had this policy if she might tell me why she only sees White Men and her explanation was that the AA and Hispanic/Latino men who contacted her more often than not wanted to negotiate rates and complained about them being too high. In contrast her White clients didn't make a fuss about it and she just felt too much hassle from the men of color. It was less "drama" as she put it with White clients.
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If the politically correct police had their say in this, the next thing that will happen is hobbyist will have to meet certain quotas in their hobby. I don't know the latest census data, but I guess that would mean I need to schedule ladies according to the following percentages (OK, I don't know the actual percentages, but as an example

White - 42%
Black - 24%
Hispanic - 33% (Sorry, I was raised to believe that Hispanics were white, never knew I was supposed to be prejudiced against them till I moved to Texas.)
Asian - 1%

Now, based on the last 10 years, do I need to distribute this per lady visit, or dollar spent. If $$, I must avoid Hispanic ladies as I am way over quota for them. Same for Asians. By $$, I may be a bit shy on whites, and in the last 10 years, way short on blacks. By number of visits, I may be ok except for blacks.

We each choose who we see and why we see them. Give it a break. If a lady chooses not see someone because they are old, black, white, fat, skinny, young, well hung, short-changed by nature, bald, hairy, etc., consider it in your best interest. If she saw you despite her feelings, the session would likely be less than inspiring. Spend your money on ladies who will appreciate and accept you for who you are.
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