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Old 10-26-2011, 08:42 AM   #16
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What amazes me is that this question has been answered many, many times, but those who are affected simply refuse to accept that answer. They simply can't handle the truth if it conflicts with their preconceived notions and violates their comfortable little race-relations psychodrama, so they keep asking the question over and over hoping that someone will eventually tell them that they're right.

This rejection of the truth in favor of cherished beliefs is also exactly why prostitution is still illegal in the United States.
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:48 AM   #17
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I bite my tongue the first 3years or so in the hobby because there seems to be a no win issue with this.

Personally, if the man passes screening, acts like a gentleman, and has the donation, I won't deny him a first visit, reguardless of any physical aspect. If during or after the first visit I choose not to see him again based on personality, then that's a differant story.

I do not depend on hobby money, so I do get to choose who I see, and honestly I have really enjoyed the differant men I have seen. I am the type of person who can make a connection with just about anyone! So blacks, asian, mexicans, jews, the disabled, the young, the old...they are all welcomd to meet with me, and I would be thrilled to have the opportunity to meet them and get to know them.

I have heard though, that statistically speaking, there is a higher percentage of blacks testing positive for Aids and HIV. This is a reason that some providers give. Personally, I think if he has the money to hobby, he must be high class enough that the likeliehood of him being anymore infected is the same as all the other gentlemen I see. If you take a closer look at the statistics, I bet how much money you have plays a large part in it as well, as in it is the poor blacks that are a greater risk, and not the middle class that you see here. So perhaps if I operated off of BP, I would exclude the blacks based on the statistics, since BP is usually a less expensive route to hobby.

Ladies do have preferences, as well as men do. There are a lot of men who will not see a provider over a size 8....we don't call him racist, that is just his preference. So yes, a lady can say she prefers white, and it does not have to be raciest. If that is her personal preference, then so be it! It may or may not hinder her business. Rule of business does not always apply here....we are much more intimate with each other here then any other business.
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:03 AM   #18
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:14 AM   #19
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Default the elephant in the room

First things- mezzkins were listed as caucasians
as late as early 1980's. The democrats who
see skin color before anything else splintered
the caucasians up into different racial castes.

To the point I asked my ATF why the no AA policy?
She said the black guys can ruin them the rest
of the evening. I guess kiegal primers should
be mandated?
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:20 AM   #20
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We all have different reasons for seeing who we want to see and who we don't want to see.

It's not like you have ladies coming on demanding to know why certain gentlemen have excluded black providers, mature providers, or even younger providers.

It's a matter of preference. We all have different reasons for our preferences and it would be impossible to know why each individual makes the choices they do, unless you ask them individually and they are willing to disclose their reasons to you.

EDIT: I believe we all have prejudices as well. I hate ALL child molesters. No amount of discussion or reasoning on their part will ever get me to see past the fact they are a child molester.
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:33 AM   #21
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Hispanic - 33% (Sorry, I was raised to believe that Hispanics were white, never knew I was supposed to be prejudiced against them till I moved to Texas.)
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Well... You were raised wrong. And Texas has nothing to do with your prejudice.
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:35 AM   #22
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Who gives a shit if they are racist? Get the fuck over it. Would you really want to spend your $$ on someone you knew didn't like you because of your race? Hobbyist have the option to see who they want to based on hair color, skin color, height, weight, ect. Guess what? So do providers. It may be bad for their business but it is their choice. Bitching and whining about it will never change their mind.
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:39 AM   #23
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:44 AM   #24
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THANK YOU for posting this. I've been waiting to post...

I will gladly boycott any provider with an NBA policy...um, as long as she's not a young, hot, white, spinner chick.

I accept the consequences of my isms.
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:49 AM   #25
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I remember when I saw the first *No Black Men* posting by a black provider. I was like "huh!" Then I fell on the floor laughing, which soon fell into sadness after I thought about it. I've spoken to a couple of girls about it. The reasons I was given is because they run out on you, or try to re-negotiate etc... Still, the idea of it leaves a sour feeling in my gut. I can see people of other races discriminating, that's always been a given, but our own. Well it is a business after all and you want the best clientele with the least possible risk.

Truth be told, racial demographics must be taken into account when offering a product/service. To do anything less is to undermine your own model. Sadly, because of some facets of urban culture, the best of what we have to put forth is drowned in the cacophony of nonsense that is popularized in media and assimilated in culture.

When I was hobbying more and did see white women, I would ask on the phone "I'm a black man, do you have a problem with that?" Never got rejected for that question. The common answer I got was, How old are you. Since I was over 35 they didn't have a problem with it.

I stopped shopping around much. I like 1 or 2 girls and stick with that. I usually meet other providers through them. It's rare but rewarding. It narrows the risks and I don't have to sort through BP anymore.
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:57 AM   #26
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Bigotry is philosophically a bad thing, but like Skinner says about all human activity we can only really know the actions of a person, not their thoughts.

In practical terms bigotry and racism (or sexism, or ageism, etc.) are bad in some cases but completely understandable and accepted in other areas. For example, am I allowed to choose who not to date based over overwhelmingly on race, or are "you" going to tell me I MUST date people of different races, ethnicities, etc. because otherwise I am a racist? In the actual definition of the word maybe I would be a racist is I only dated Asian ladies--so what? Hardly anyone I know would claim I am a bad person because I have a strict rule for what race I date.

Compare that to a situation where I am polite to Asian ladies but I insult and go out of my way to belittle women of every other race. There I may well get accused of acting badly.
We have demonized the word and tried to ignore the context. Let me give another example: if I ran a clinic that had a limited supply of cycle cell anemia vaccine and I decided to only give it to African descendants because they have a vastly greater probability of developing CCA, would that be racist? It is based predominantly on race, no? I think it would be "racist", but not evil.

People like to argue that escorting is no different than running a restaurant. That ignores the emotional, safety, and very personal aspect of the business. I have had rofessionals in other lines of work turn down my business because they felt they could not perform the work I wanted done adequately (it just happened yesterday). So if a lady does not feel safe/comfortable/connected to a man for any reason, and knows she won't be anywhere near her best because of that, should she not turn down the work the same way the carpenter turned me down yesterday?

The world is black and white (pun not intended but acknowledged) in very, very few areas. Who a lady decides to see is a very complex process in many cases, and each lady's decision is her personal mix of reasons. It isn't any guy's business--though it is nice if she states her limits so I don't waste my time trying to see someone when I am in their Do Not See category.

I have been turned down because of my race, my age, and (hardest for me to believe but it's what she said) my accent. I was disappointed for a few seconds but I got over it just fine--meeting MAX for dinner is one really nice cure

Let me toss the question around differently: For all the guys who feel a lady should NOT be allowed to screen based upon race, is it equally fair to label a man "racist" in a bad connotation if all his reviews are of Caucasian ladies? What's the difference? Why is it that "I only see gentlemen over 40" doesn't draw the same amount/vehimence of ire?

If a lady doesn't want to see me I assume that if I tricked her or "shamed" her into seeing me I would likely experience a less than good date, so why would I want to go there?
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I'm thinking vice stings probably won't
post no AA listings as it might be brought
up in court- get the jury all offended.
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I almost responded to this thread in a grand fashion, but I realized what an essay it was becoming.
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Bigotry is philosophically a bad thing, but like Skinner says about all human activity we can only really know the actions of a person, not their thoughts.

In practical terms bigotry and racism (or sexism, or ageism, etc.) are bad in some cases but completely understandable and accepted in other areas. For example, am I allowed to choose who not to date based over overwhelmingly on race, or are "you" going to tell me I MUST date people of different races, ethnicities, etc. because otherwise I am a racist? In the actual definition of the word maybe I would be a racist is I only dated Asian ladies--so what? Hardly anyone I know would claim I am a bad person because I have a strict rule for what race I date.

Compare that to a situation where I am polite to Asian ladies but I insult and go out of my way to belittle women of every other race. There I may well get accused of acting badly.
We have demonized the word and tried to ignore the context. Let me give another example: if I ran a clinic that had a limited supply of cycle cell anemia vaccine and I decided to only give it to African descendants because they have a vastly greater probability of developing CCA, would that be racist? It is based predominantly on race, no? I think it would be "racist", but not evil.

People like to argue that escorting is no different than running a restaurant. That ignores the emotional, safety, and very personal aspect of the business. I have had rofessionals in other lines of work turn down my business because they felt they could not perform the work I wanted done adequately (it just happened yesterday). So if a lady does not feel safe/comfortable/connected to a man for any reason, and knows she won't be anywhere near her best because of that, should she not turn down the work the same way the carpenter turned me down yesterday?

The world is black and white (pun not intended but acknowledged) in very, very few areas. Who a lady decides to see is a very complex process in many cases, and each lady's decision is her personal mix of reasons. It isn't any guy's business--though it is nice if she states her limits so I don't waste my time trying to see someone when I am in their Do Not See category.

I have been turned down because of my race, my age, and (hardest for me to believe but it's what she said) my accent. I was disappointed for a few seconds but I got over it just fine--meeting MAX for dinner is one really nice cure

Let me toss the question around differently: For all the guys who feel a lady should NOT be allowed to screen based upon race, is it equally fair to label a man "racist" in a bad connotation if all his reviews are of Caucasian ladies? What's the difference? Why is it that "I only see gentlemen over 40" doesn't draw the same amount/vehimence of ire?

If a lady doesn't want to see me I assume that if I tricked her or "shamed" her into seeing me I would likely experience a less than good date, so why would I want to go there?
Very well said.
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The more correct term is bigotry - not racist. Bigotry is defined as "stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own." This is what most people do. They just do not pay homage to another's beliefs, not that they think they are superior in some way.
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