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Old 04-21-2010, 04:50 AM   #1
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Default How to not get arrested if happened to meet undercover

I've been researching all over the internet but couldn't really find the answer for this, so hopefully I'll get some luck here. Say, I call up this girl from an ad, go see her at her hotel... Is there any way to make sure that she's not an undercover (what to do, what to ask her...) before it's too late. Thanks!
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Old 04-21-2010, 10:56 AM   #2
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If you have already made or accepted an offer of sex for money (or something of value), it doesn't matter what you say when you get there. Your best bet is to never mentionboth sex and money and stop what you are doing if you get a bad feeling from what you sense around you. Other than that, you could show up at a sting by mistake and get arrested by mistake, so you could just as easily be arrested on purpose even without sufficient evidence to make case.
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Old 04-21-2010, 11:36 AM   #3
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Yes, there is an almost foolproof way to make sure you do not show up and find an undercover LE. See providers who have multiple reviews over time from multiple guys with posting and review histories.
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Old 04-22-2010, 02:44 PM   #4
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I agree !!

My advise is to only see providers who have a good and standing reputation.
We work hard to earn that and it that is why!

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Old 04-23-2010, 09:12 PM   #5
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Another way is to ask her to do some modeling when first contacting her. Don't -ever- mention sex over the phone. Most LE's will not spend time on a modeling gig. (some women won't either)

Other than that I would first check your surroundings. If you can show up to the location before your appointment. Have a walk around of the building. If it is a hotel, you can do this with minimal amount of people wondering about you. They'll just think you are looking for your room. If you see law enforcement anywhere in the vicinity of the room that the provider is in, leave and don't look back. I haven't had to do this, but I have been advised by a friend to do just that.

Most importantly, only visit reviewed providers that have had multiple clients.

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Old 05-01-2010, 07:42 PM   #6
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Another good thing to think of is how the provider is acting and talking. I have never had a provider directly link money for sex.

If they try to put the same two words in a sentience get up and leave. No true provider would do this because it is the main reason they can get busted if agreeing for sex for a price.

Remember you are paying for there time everything else is just between two adults. If the provider ask if the money is for a type of sex act say no it was for companionship say there must have been a mistake take your money and get out of there.

I guy I used to work with got busted at a sting. He started getting those questions and said it felt wrong and when he went to leave cops were at door. Thing is he never said it was money for sexual favors, and he kept to his story of the money being a gift for companionship.

Also never directly give provider the gift. Put it on a table. If you put gift in her hand it could be looked at wrong.Best thing is follow same rules a good provider. They know the loopholes and have been using them alot more then us dawgs.

Hope that helps a little. Again never put money and a sex act in same sentince and never give her money direct. If you follow everything right they can not bust you. If you feel the provider is trying to get you to brake one of those rules run it is most likely a sting. No true provider would brake the two iron rules.
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:45 AM   #7
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I am afraid the question is ambiguous. If you are show up and its an undercover officer you will more then likely be arrested. A better question is, can I avoid a conviction? This leads to another question - would a jury believe your story? I am not saying you will ever end up in front of a jury, but at the end of the day that is how prosecutors and defense attorneys will evaluate your case. The most plausible scenario I can come up with is a massage. This is a weak excuse, but it is still better then the others. A massage is also conducive to proceeding with a session in a way whereby the provider can cross over certain boundaries and you can be far far more confident she is not an undercover officer. Increasingly this is not the case from the providers point of view (undercover officers posing as Johns seem to be moving very far into what seems like a session before making an arrest)

This is one reason I have suggested more discretion on the part of women advertising. If you show up for an ad which lists acronyms gfe quickie and the like you are going to have a hard time later claiming you were there for a massage/modeling. Prosecutors/jurors have common sense. They are not all complete morons.

So think about which ads you are responding to. Also, mentioning reviews could create a problem. You say/type I saw your review and was impressed and that review is very detailed or just includes the standard acronyms, that seems like you are very aware you were contacting someone to exchange sex for money.

Very plausible scenario - officer on stand with copy of ad testifies when it was posted, what it stated, when you called, the phone conversations/e-mails introduced, what happened when you arrived, what you said, you had the money and/or condoms on you when arrested. You could minimize the damage at each of these steps but even best case scenario you are responding to an ad off craigslist adult services, or the escort client community exchange, or backpage escorts. Your story will be weak from the beginning. Also if the police can establish you are familiar with this site, I think that would eliminate any possibility of the - I didn't know I was with a hooker defense.

That being said, both providers and undercover officer will attempt to engage you in some conversation before making the arrest. (caveat - in most jurisdictions and assuming you have not already crossed the line in your communications) Avoiding this conversation with a provider can make for a somewhat awkward session. However, this is where the most conclusive damaging (or helpful) evidence might come into play. A direct negotiation for sexual activities is bad. Saying something to the effect of, i cant wait for the massage, here is your fee do you want me on the bed being far less damaging and somewhat believable. (Again - not if you are responding to an ad with a girl bent over with tons of slang for sex) My guess is the officer will not be terribly circumspect and will want to get you agreeing to exchanging sex for money at some point before there is much more then casual contact. If you are with an unknown provider and it seems like she is trying to put words in your mouth or negotiate - then by all means do not respond and leave. (or perhaps better you might say I am sorry about the misunderstanding I thought you were a masseause, I am going to leave) You may still be arrested, but you are going to be in a much better position in the long run. After you have been arrested shut the fuck up and ask for an attorney. 99.99% of a time you are not going to talk your way out of handcuffs and typically what you say is damaging in some way.

If you have specific questions, or want me to ad more to this discussion please address in the thread.
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Old 05-02-2010, 02:06 PM   #8
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What Chuck said. EXCEPT: There is no may to it.

If there is a sting and you show up - You will be charged. No matter what you do or don't do, say or don't say, no matter where you put any "gifts" - you will be arrested
No Matter What.

All the questions all the other is just strengthening their case.

Repeat: 99.99999999% you will be arrested just for showing up. There is nothing zero zip nada you can do at the scene to stop it.

Read his post again paying attention to the points about jurors, judges and prosecutors.

Read it two or three times @ STFU & get an attorney. Laws vary slightly - slightly - state to state, but basically you don't even need to answer "What's your name?". I wouldn't suggest that but it is a right.

Do not answer any question, period. Police tend to cuff you and ask lots of questions before they officially charge you. They are trying to get info to help their arrest and the state's case. That is their job. Don't do their job.

There will always be one who is "your friend" and wanting to help you out. Really? Why is your friend arresting you? Shut up.

You know. They know. They know you know they know. You know they know you know they know what the hell you are doing. Shut Up.

When you Shut Up, do it properly. Call it the fifth, invoking your right to silence whatever but you HAVE to say it. And then do it. Silent means silent. Shut Up.

They will continue to ask questions and will say things to get you to talk, about the weather, Obama, anything. If you slip and answer a question any question, immediately re-invoke. As soon as sound comes out of your mouth you have willingly broken your right. It is their job to get you to do that. Shut Up. About everything and anything.

I have had people tell me "oh the cop said this and the cop said that"
"Why were you talking to the cops!!"
"Oh, I didn't say anything about the arrest"
Yes.
You did.

Shut Up. "If you give up the right to remain silent anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law." That is your one and only concern. What have I said or done that the prosecutor is going to use to convict me?

If you ever get in such an unpleasant situation, accept it, move on. You ARE arrested. You ARE charged. Done. Do tour job now to give them as little as possible to convict.

The charge is NOT the issue, the conviction is. Don't fight wheedle whine or beg about the charge. As soon as you are charged, start working on the conviction.
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Old 05-03-2010, 04:00 PM   #9
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Chuck and Babee...

Great posts all around. All I would add is this. Anything you say WILL be used against you. NOTHING you say CAN be used FOR you. Shut up, enjoy the ride, call the lawyer. And please, please... have the lawyer before you get in this situation.

If you are partaking in a legally questionable activity, you should have an attorney... it's insurance and peace of mind.
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Old 05-09-2010, 11:40 AM   #10
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Is it a crime to walk into a hotel room that you were invited into?
How can they arrest you? Calling an escort is NOT a crime.
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Old 05-10-2010, 01:12 PM   #11
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RC,

Tell it to the cop; I'm sure he'll see things your way.
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Old 05-10-2010, 05:58 PM   #12
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Yeah, it would be nice to think that the legal system worked the way it does on tv. Babee is right--don't even waste your brains cells trying to think up the proper conduct that will keep you from getting arrested in a sting. I know a girl who walked into a hotel room, took one look around, turned around and RAN to the elevator. Arrested. Period. Why? What did she do that was illegal? Nothing of course, so tell it to the judge because the police don't care. Yes, they can do that. Who's there to stop them? Unless you happen to carry a famous civil rights attorney around in a cat carrier everywhere you go, you're going to jail for the night. It might be difficult for them to prove in court that you did anything illegal, but it's pretty easy to provide reasonable justification for arresting you. And they'll do it for no other reason but to make your life miserable ESPECIALLY if they know they won't be able to convict you because that's their only way of punishing you.
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Old 05-11-2010, 10:34 AM   #13
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A really good video, explaining the many reasons to shut the fuck up.

Be sure and watch part 2 as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
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Old 05-11-2010, 11:03 AM   #14
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Post Lawyer up ladies...

The possibility of a bust is immenent. Put a lawyer on retainer (fairly inexpensive and oh so worth it)
Remember LE is on a hunt of their own, so do what one poster said many times, SHUT UP!

Once you are arrested, you will most likely be arrainged in the morning. Your lawyer must be there. Let him/her do the talking while you look like the little innocent thing that you are, lol. An emotional arrest leaves even the toughest Providers weak. Don't be a victom of your own emotions, Lawyer up PRIOR!

The hardest part for me to digest is the FACT that even though you may be aquitted, it does not roll back the hands of time and erase the arrest. The arrest that fellow Hobbyists WILL know about, not to mention family. That can't be taken back. Business may not be so easy to conduct after the black cloud of an arrest falls apon you.... Convicted or not...

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Old 05-11-2010, 11:46 AM   #15
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Do the things that SHOULD keep you from getting arrested. Even if it doesn't keep you from getting arrested, it may help you get a dismissal.

And sometimes, it WILL keep you from getting arrested.
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