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Old 05-03-2019, 07:52 PM   #1
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The Big Lie That Barr Lied

https://news.yahoo.com/big-lie-barr-lied-183714501.html



Andrew C. McCarthy
,National Review May 3, 2019




I originally thought this was too stupid to write about. But stupid is like the plague inside the Beltway — one person catches it and next thing you know there’s an outbreak at MSNBC and the speaker of the House is showing symptoms while her delirious minions tote ceramic chickens around Capitol Hill.

So I give you: the Bill Barr perjury allegation.

We are all entitled to our own opinions. But are we entitled to our own facts? Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s bon mot says no, but Washington makes you wonder. Like when spleen-venting about the supposedly outrageous, unbelievable, disgraceful invocation of the word “spy” to describe episodes of government spying is instantly followed by a New York Times story about how the spying — er, I mean, court-authorized electronic surveillance — coupled with the tasking of spies — er, undercover agents — green-lighted by a foreign spy — er, intelligence service — was more widespread than previously known.

If I were a cynic, I’d think people were trying to get out in front of some embarrassing revelations on the horizon. I might even be tempted to speculate that progressives were trotting out their “Destroy Ken Starr” template for Barr deployment (which, I suppose, means that 20 years from now we’ll be reading about what a straight-arrow Barr was compared to whomever Democrats are savaging at that point).

The claim that Barr gave false testimony is frivolous. That is why, at least initially, Democrats and their media echo chamber soft-pedaled it — with such dishonorable exceptions as Mazie Horono, the Hawaii Democrat who, somehow, is a United States senator. It’s tough to make the perjury argument without any false or even inaccurate statements — though my Fox News colleague Andrew Napolitano did give it the old college try. As recounted by The Hill, he twisted himself into a pretzel, observing — try to follow this — that the attorney general “probably misled” Congress and thus “he’s got a problem” . . . although this purported dissembling didn’t really seem to be, you know, an actual “lie” so . . . maybe it’s not a problem after all. Or something.

I assume that in his black-robe days, Judge Nap would have known better. When meritless perjury cases are thrown out of court, judges are often at pains to explain that the questioner who elicited the purportedly false testimony bears the burden of clarity; the terms of the question dictate the evaluation of the answer. In this instance, Barr’s April 9 testimony before the House Appropriations Committee was true and accurate; if a misimpression set in after, it is because the relevant questioning by Representative Charlie Crist (D., Fla.) has been ignored or distorted.

Moreover, because perjury is a serious felony allegation, judges and legal analysts never rely on a general, selectively couched description of the testimony — much less on the likes of Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s because-I-said-so refrain that Barr “lied to Congress” and “that’s a crime.” The testimony must be examined, with emphasis on the words that were used (the questions as well as the responses), and anything we can glean about the witness’s demeanor (stingy? dodgy? forthcoming?).

The mindless, no-need-to-check-the-record allegation against Barr goes like this: The AG testified on April 9 that he had no idea why Special Counsel Mueller was upset over the way Barr’s March 24 letter described Mueller’s report; but, in fact, Barr knew exactly why Mueller was upset because he had received the latter’s March 27 letter complaining about Barr’s missive.

Now, here is the exchange on which the perjury allegation is based, with my italics highlighting key portions:

CRIST: Reports have emerged recently, General, that members of the special counsel’s team are frustrated at some level with the limited information included in your March 24th letter . . . that it does not adequately or accurately necessarily portray the report’s findings. Do you know what they’re referencing with that?

BARR: No, I don’t. I think — I think . . . I suspect that they probably wanted more put out, but, in my view, I was not interested in putting out summaries or trying to summarize because I think any summary, regardless of who prepares it, not only runs the risk of, you know, being under-inclusive or over-inclusive, but also, you know, would trigger a lot of discussion and analysis that really should await everything coming out at once. So I was not interested in a summary of the report. . . . I felt that I should state the bottom line conclusions and I tried to use Special Counsel Mueller’s own language in doing that.

When we look at the actual words of this exchange, Barr’s testimony is clearly accurate. And I don’t mean accurate in the hyper-technical, Clintonesque “depends on what the definition of is is” sense. I mean straightforward, unguarded, and evincing a willingness to volunteer information beyond what the question sought.

Crist did not ask a general question about Mueller’s reaction to Barr’s letter; he asked a specific question about the reaction of Mueller’s “team” to the Barr letter’s description of “the report’s findings.” Regarding the March 24 letter’s rendering of this bottom line — namely, Russia meddled, Trump did not collude, and Mueller failed to resolve the obstruction question — Barr said he did not know what Mueller’s staff was complaining about.

Barr has known Mueller for nearly 30 years; when Mueller was the Criminal Division chief in the Bush 41 Justice Department, he reported to Barr, who was attorney general. It should come as no surprise, then, that Barr was not getting his information from Mueller’s staff; he was getting it from Mueller directly. Nor should it come as any surprise that, before releasing his March 24 letter to the public, Barr gave Mueller an opportunity to review it; nor that Mueller declined that opportunity — given that he knows Barr well, and knew Barr would not misrepresent the report (especially given that the report would soon be public).

Three days after Barr announced the report’s conclusions, Mueller sent his letter, undoubtedly written by his staff. Mueller could simply have called Barr on the phone, as he has done a million times; but the staff’s partisan Democrats wanted a letter, which makes for much better leak material. (The letter was, in fact, strategically leaked to the Washington Post Tuesday night, right before Barr’s Wednesday morning Senate testimony.) The day after receiving Mueller’s March 27 letter, Barr called Mueller and pointedly asked whether he was claiming that Barr’s March 24 letter articulating Mueller’s findings was inaccurate. Mueller responded that he was making no such claim — he was, instead, irritated by the press coverage of Barr’s letter. Mueller suggested the publication of additional information from the report, including the report’s own executive summaries, to explain more about why he decided not to resolve the obstruction issue. But he did not claim Barr had misrepresented his findings. (See Barr’s Senate testimony, starting at 39-minute mark.)

Again, Barr’s contact was with Mueller, not Mueller’s team. His exchanges with Mueller gave Barr no basis to know about any objection to his description of the report’s findings — from Mueller or anyone else. The fact that Mueller’s staff was leaking like a sieve to the Times, the Washington Post, and NBC News does not mean they were sharing with the attorney general what the Times described as “their simmering frustrations.”

That is what Barr said in answer to Crist’s question about the report’s findings. But to avoid the misimpression that he was parsing words deceptively, Barr volunteered his perception that Mueller’s staff wanted more information from the report to be publicized. That was consistent with what can be inferred from Barr’s phone call with Mueller on March 28. And it was not news: Crist’s questions were based on the aforementioned press accounts of leaks from Mueller’s staffers. They were irked at the bad press they were receiving over Mueller’s abdication on the question whether there was a prosecutable obstruction case, and they had groused that there was much more to their report than Barr’s letter conveyed. Of course, Barr never disputed this; as he repeatedly explained, he undertook to render the conclusions, not summarize the entire 448-page report.

Barr decided that his way of making disclosure — the findings followed three weeks later by the full report — was superior to the proposal of Mueller’s staff that their own summaries be released. You can disagree with Barr on that, but that’s not grounds for a perjury claim. And it raises a point Barr made in his Senate testimony: The regulations do not require any disclosure of the special counsel’s report (which is supposed to be a confidential Justice Department document, as is typical of Justice Department deliberations over whether to charge or decline to charge). The decision of what, if anything, to disclose, and how that should be done, is exclusively the attorney general’s, not the special counsel’s. Mueller’s job was to make a prosecutorial judgment — to charge or decline to charge obstruction. Mueller failed to do that. Since Mueller didn’t do his own job, isn’t it a bit presumptuous of his staff (through press leaks) to tell Barr how to do his?

Could what happened here be more obvious? Mueller received fawning press for two years on the expectation that he would slay Trump. Then, on March 24, Democrats and the media learned not only that there was no collusion case (which was no surprise) but that Mueller had been derelict, failing to render a judgment on the only question he was arguably needed to resolve: Was there enough evidence to charge obstruction? Journalists proceeded to turn on their erstwhile hero. This sent him reeling, and it brought to full boil the anger of Mueller staffers, who wanted to charge Trump with obstruction based on the creative (i.e., wayward) theory they had been pursuing — namely, that a president can be indicted for obstruction based on the exercise of his constitutional prerogatives if prosecutors (including prosecutors who are active supporters of the president’s political opposition) decide he had corrupt intent. The staffers put their pique in a letter that could be leaked, and Mueller was sufficiently irked by the bad press that he signed it. And now Democrats are using the letter as the launch-pad for The Big Lie that Barr lied, calculating that if they say it enough times, and their media collaborators uncritically broadcast these declarations, no one will notice that they never actually refer to the transcript of what they claim is the false testimony.

Democrats are unnerved. Attorney General Barr is pursuing an inquiry into the Obama administration’s decision to conduct a foreign counterintelligence investigation of the Trump campaign. The time is now, they figure, to reprise the Ken Starr treatment: the ad hominem withering of an accomplished, highly capable official — in this instance, one who is daring to press questions that would have been answered two years ago if an incumbent Republican administration had spied on — er, monitored — a Democratic presidential campaign.
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If the swamp attempts to find Russian spies where there are no spies, they will attempt to find lies where there are no lies.
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read "Compromised" by Terry K. Reid to learn all about how Barr made his bones in the narco trade in Mena Arkansas. Him, Oliver North, all Clintons, all Bushes, all Obamas -even Big Mike- should be hung for treason.
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Do you really expect people to read all that bullshit you copy and pasted?
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Do you really expect people to read all that bullshit you copy and pasted?
did you really expect the Democrats to read all of Mueller's report before they started yakking conspiracy?

you do know that the full unredacted report can be read in a secure facility? if you have clearance which several high ranktard dems have access to?

so if we presume they actually read it all, unredacted, and they still have a nothing burger, isn't that still a nothing burger?


BAHAHAHAAAA
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Do you really expect people to read all that bullshit you copy and pasted?
What's the bullshit part...
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His opinion. nothing more.
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did you really expect the Democrats to read all of Mueller's report before they started yakking conspiracy?

you do know that the full unredacted report can be read in a secure facility? if you have clearance which several high ranktard dems have access to?

so if we presume they actually read it all, unredacted, and they still have a nothing burger, isn't that still a nothing burger?


BAHAHAHAAAA
They didn’t read the ACA bill before they voted for it. Why would they read the Mueller report before they attack it. Lazy fucks.
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They didn’t read the ACA bill before they voted for it. Why would they read the Mueller report before they attack it. Lazy fucks.
Of course, long reading and big words are an anathema(...giving them time to look up the word...) to the average lefty.

They are totally reliant on summaries given them by the MSM or their own talking heads. It's been ingrained in their psyche to follow what they are told rather than exercise any free will or personal reasoning.
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Before its the Russians now barr Move on
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Do you really expect people to read all that bullshit you copy and pasted?
Some people like to read, and they are capable of reading it quickly....English that is. Unfortunately the SocialistLiberalAntiTrumpers can't READ and so they rely on the LameStreamMedia to explain to them what someone "actually meant" or in some cases ... "should have meant" when they were writing or speaking in English.

BTW: Do you read, write, speak, and understand Spanish? If you don't you'd better start brushing up on it, since you want to pack this country full of Spanish speaking illegal immigrants ....
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Before its the Russians now barr Move on
Speaking of the Russians ... the SocialistLiberalAntiTrumpers (SLAT) must be terribly "conflicted" with Putin assisting their Venezuelan Socialist Dictator hero by sending more military personnel to help their hero remain in power.....btw...

rumor has it that their hero .. the Socialist Dictator in Venezuela who was defeated in the election ... is "creating" manufacturing jobs in Venezuela with Russian investments ... Socialism has its "value" ... Russian arms manufacturing ...

https://warisboring.com/building-an-...ally-bad-idea/

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The Venezuelan rifle factory was one of the Kremlin’s biggest prizes in Latin America — and it helped cement a friendship with the country’s then-Pres. Hugo Chavez. The two governments first signed the deal 14 years ago, finalized the contracts in 2006 and expected to finish work on the factory by 2009.

The factory wasn’t just going to produce AK-103s, but 60 million rounds of ammunition per year and a new Venezuelan sniper rifle known as the Catatumbo — which comes in multiple calibers including .50- caliber.

On top of that, the factory would assemble grenade launchers.


Above — Venezuelan soldiers on parade in 2008. Fernando Llano/AP photo. At top — a Venezuelan soldier shows off an AK-103 rifle at a military exhibit in Caracas on June 13, 2006. Leslie Mazoch/AP photo
In preparation, Venezuela imported 100,000 AK-103 rifles from Russia to replace its army’s standard battle rifle, the older Belgian-produced FN FAL. The factory would produce the rest of the new AK-103s to outfit the army, and make money selling them to foreign customers.

It would be a boon to Venezuela’s state-owned defense industry, add 800 jobs in the city of Maracay and help modernize the country’s military.
I remember Bill Clinton signing an executive order authorizing the Russians to export polymer pistols to the U.S.

But now the Russians are "bad"! Oh, wait? Do the "SLATs" want Trump to refrain from ordering military intervention in Venezuela? May be the Russians aren't so bad after all, but only if they talk to Trump! And may be "assault weapons" aka "rifles" are not so bad after all if the Socialists make them with Russian financing!!!!!
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Barr will more than likely give the "accused" criminals the opportunity to surrender themselves to the nearest U.S. Marshal's office after they are alerted to the SEALED INDICTMENT. But Barr has class and respects himself.
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[QUOTE=The_Waco_Kid;1061462367]did you really expect the Democrats to read all of Mueller's report before they started yakking conspiracy?

you do know that the full unredacted report can be read in a secure facility? if you have clearance which several high ranktard dems have access to?

so if we presume they actually read it all, unredacted, and they still have a nothing burger, isn't that still a nothing burger?


Just 2 lawmakers have seen less-redacted Mueller report

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...dacted-1295105


By KYLE CHENEY and MARIANNE LEVINE
04/30/2019 06:11 PM EDT
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On the eve of Attorney General William Barr’s testimony on a redacted version of special counsel Robert Mueller’s report, only two lawmakers have set eyes on secret information that Barr withheld from public view.
Barr offered access to a less-redacted version of the report to just 12 members of Congress — six Democrats and six Republicans. But as of Tuesday afternoon, only Rep. Doug Collins, the top Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, and Sen. Lindsey Graham, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, opted to view it. A third, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said he planned to review the report later Tuesday.



Collins and Graham told POLITICO that what’s underneath the redactions has no bearing on Mueller's conclusions: that there wasn’t enough evidence to charge any American with conspiring with Russians to influence the 2016 presidential election and that Justice Department guidelines prevented Mueller from reaching a legal conclusion on whether President Donald Trump obstructed Justice.
“It didn’t change anything,” Collins said. “Some of the redactions could actually be implied from other parts of the report that were not redacted.”
Graham, whose committee will hear from Barr on Wednesday, said he wasn’t clear why some of the information was redacted at all. Like Collins, Graham said that after viewing it, “nothing changed for me.”
“I don’t know why they redacted half of what they redacted,” he added.


Collins declined to discuss the specifics of the redacted portions of Mueller’s report or to characterize the nature of the 12 ongoing matters that Mueller referred to other prosecutors. He also swiped at Democrats for refusing to view the less-redacted report.
The six Democrats to whom Barr offered access to the report boycotted en masse, complaining that Barr should have provided a fully unredacted report to a broader set of lawmakers investigating Trump’s conduct. House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler has subpoenaed Barr and the Justice Department for the full report and Mueller’s underlying evidence. The deadline for compliance is May 1.
When Barr released the public version of Mueller’s report earlier this month, he withheld four categories of material: classified information, material related to ongoing investigations, information that could damage the reputation of “peripheral third parties” and evidence collected by Mueller’s grand jury. Barr’s less-redacted report for the 12 lawmakers allowed them access to each category except grand jury material.
Under the terms offered by Barr, each lawmaker granted access would also be allowed to designate one staff member to view the report. The report was made available at Justice Department headquarters last week and is available for lawmakers and aides to review in a secure room on Capitol Hill this week. Information could not be shared with other lawmakers.
“While the Department will permit notetaking, the Department asks that all notes remain at the Department in its secure facility,” Assistant Attorney General Stephen Boyd wrote to lawmakers earlier this month, outlining the terms of their access. “Department officials will transfer notes to and from Capitol Hill for in camera review sessions that take place there.”
Barr is slated to testify to the Senate on Wednesday and the House on Thursday about Mueller’s report and his handling of its release, which has infuriated Democrats who say Barr misrepresented the damaging evidence Mueller found that Trump attempted to obstruct the investigation.


By DARREN SAMUELSOHN

In addition to Collins, Graham and McConnell, Barr offered access to the report to Speaker Nancy Pelosi, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer.
Others granted access include the top Democrats on the House and Senate judiciary committees, Nadler and Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, and the leaders of the House and Senate intelligence committees: Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) and Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.).
Burr told POLITICO on Tuesday morning he hadn’t seen the less-redacted report. And McCarthy said he had no intention of viewing it.
“I trust what Barr put forward,” he said. “I’m satisfied right now with what I know.”


I did not know the unredacted report was available to the Screaming DPST 's - who refuse to read it, while screaming that it confirms obstruction of justice by trump

Lousy-Lying Hypocrites - just like Schiff - Pulling a McCarthy while waving non-existent "evidence" in-hand.
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