A Question About The Kurds.

[Jackie S]

Are the Kurds to Turkey what the Palestinians are to Israel?

[dilbert firestorm]

no.


the thing about the kurds was that they used to have their own country before they were invaded from other powers in the region a long time ago.

[friendly fred]

"It don't make no difference to me, everybody has to fight to be free"

[nevergaveitathought]

everyone around the kurds says the same thing

"Kurds N Whey"

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

no.


the thing about the kurds was that they used to have their own country before they were invaded from other powers in the region a long time ago.

forgot to mention this. don't remember what country they called themselves, but they were considered "troublemakers" in their neighborhood. its why they were split 4 ways.

[dilbert firestorm]

regarding Palestinians....(fake name if there was ever one) arabs only assumed that name in the late 60's.



under the Ottomans and under british rule, anyone who lived in Israel were called Palestinians (Jews and arabs).


as for the palestinian arabs, most of them are of Jordanian descent (westbank) and Egyptian descent. the remainder of the arabs were from other arab countries. while there are indigenous palestinians of jewsish descent, don't know many there are as they inter-married into the arab population.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

regarding Palestinians....(fake name if there was ever one) arabs only assumed that name in the late 60's.



under the Ottomans and under british rule, anyone who lived in Israel were called Palestinians (Jews and arabs).


as for the palestinian arabs, most of them are of Jordanian descent (westbank) and Egyptian descent. the remainder of the arabs were from other arab countries. while there are indigenous palestinians of jewsish descent, don't know many there are as they inter-married into the arab population.

The Arab and Jews got along for the most part in the region until the European Jews came after WWII

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by WTF

The Arab and Jews got along for the most part in the region until the European Jews came after WWII

actually the friction between arabs and jews started before WWII, there were violent riots in 1920s and 1930s. mostly initiated by arabs.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

actually the friction between arabs and jews started before WWII, there were violent riots in 1920s and 1930s. mostly initiated by arabs.

https://972mag.com/before-zionism-th...inians/118408/


The idealistic reality described by Klein seems almost like a dream today. He quotes the memoirs of Ya’akov Elazar from Jerusalem, who remembers how “the Muslim women cooperated respectfully with the customs of the Jewish religion…the Muslim neighbors allowed the Jewish women to pump water necessary before the Sabbath.” Klein also describes how some Muslims even joined their Jewish neighbors in reciting religious prayers. He describes the cheder (a traditional elementary school where the basics of Judaism and the Hebrew language were taught) run by Hacham Gershon in the neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, where Arab parents brought their children so that they would learn how to behave properly. Klein also writes that sexual relations and marriages between Jews and Arabs were not unheard of, even if they were not considered legitimate.
The European foreigners who came here were the ones to form a wedged between the partners to this quasi-utopia. Yeshayahu Peres, who put together the historical-geographical encyclopedia of the Land of Israel, complained that when the Ashkenazi Jews immigrated they brought with them their customs, clothing, and lifestyle, and did not adapt to the cultures of Palestine: “They speak Yiddish and maintain the Jewish street accent of their home countries. They are different from their Sephardic brothers not only in language and appearance but also in their worldview.” Or take Palestinian activist Ghada Karmi, who says: “We knew they were different from ‘our Jews,’ I am talking about the Arab Jews. We saw them as foreigners who came from Europe more than as Jews.”

[dilbert firestorm]

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[WTF]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

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The second half of the book describes what happened after the Nakba, and it is far more pessimistic. Klein claims that 1948 and 1967 were not two separate wars, but rather two rounds of the same war, basing his theory on a convincing comparison and many testimonies from both Jews and Palestinians. He writes about the expulsion of Palestinian from their homes, which were then re-populated by Jews — both in ’48 and ’67.
He describes the stories of refugees who returned to visit their homes and properties that were taken in 1947, and the meetings with the new residents who weren’t always happy to see the refugees. Supreme Court Justice Zvi Berenson, who lived in a Palestinian home, refused to show the house to its former owners, claiming that he had invested much money in renovations. A different refugee who arrived at her old home ran into a Jewish immigrant from Poland who argued that the Poles took her old home, in an attempt to justify the fact that she has done the same thing to the Palestinian standing before her.

[gnadfly]

Back on Topic...

The Kurds were hoping GWB would give Kurds back some part of "Kurdistan" after the second Gulf War. Mainly the northern region of Iraq. It got some traction but didn't happen.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

Back on Topic...

The Kurds were hoping GWB would give Kurds back some part of "Kurdistan" after the second Gulf War. Mainly the northern region of Iraq. It got some traction but didn't happen.

Thank You for that valuable history lesson.

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by WTF

The Arab and Jews got along for the most part in the region until the European Jews came after WWII

You got something against European Jewish folks?

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by WTF

https://972mag.com/before-zionism-th...inians/118408/


The idealistic reality described by Klein seems almost like a dream today. He quotes the memoirs of Ya’akov Elazar from Jerusalem, who remembers how “the Muslim women cooperated respectfully with the customs of the Jewish religion…the Muslim neighbors allowed the Jewish women to pump water necessary before the Sabbath.” Klein also describes how some Muslims even joined their Jewish neighbors in reciting religious prayers. He describes the cheder (a traditional elementary school where the basics of Judaism and the Hebrew language were taught) run by Hacham Gershon in the neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, where Arab parents brought their children so that they would learn how to behave properly. Klein also writes that sexual relations and marriages between Jews and Arabs were not unheard of, even if they were not considered legitimate.
The European foreigners who came here were the ones to form a wedged between the partners to this quasi-utopia. Yeshayahu Peres, who put together the historical-geographical encyclopedia of the Land of Israel, complained that when the Ashkenazi Jews immigrated they brought with them their customs, clothing, and lifestyle, and did not adapt to the cultures of Palestine: “They speak Yiddish and maintain the Jewish street accent of their home countries. They are different from their Sephardic brothers not only in language and appearance but also in their worldview.” Or take Palestinian activist Ghada Karmi, who says: “We knew they were different from ‘our Jews,’ I am talking about the Arab Jews. We saw them as foreigners who came from Europe more than as Jews.”

Jesus was Ashkenazi.