I love overnight visits, but good ones are so hard to find

[Danielle Reid]

Originally Posted by gt27

Yeah, that type of attitude breeds the gentlemantoo attitude. You're pretty, but a shit attitude can ruin any chance of having an overnight. Maybe you get a lot of guys that want to know your personality from a 30 min. thing, IDK. BUT this guy was traveling and looking for an overnight. What was he supposed to do; book you for a half hour session in hopes of overnighting you in a future trip that may never happen? It sounds like you shouldn't be offering overnights given the whole "don't chat me up" thing, or only offering overnights for long time clients. Either way, your post sounds jaded.

Anyways, it almost sounds like a panic attack hit her with the way she shut down. I get that the cynic takes over on these types of relationships but I don't get the whole "she's a hooker, thus it must be drugs" attitude. I mean, it wasn't like she was acting that way the whole night and panic attacks can hit you very fast and very hard. Just a thought.

Jaded? No. Realistic. If I wanted to chat someone up all day I'd get married. I don't get paid chatting on Eccie. You seem more jaded than I do.

[Vitamin]

Originally Posted by Old-T

I completely agree with you that in a few cases, relationships that start as business transactions can become real friendships. That is the fundamental point I was trying to make. After that, do your bookkeeping however you wish.

If a lady charges $300 an hour, I arrange for 3 hours, pay her $900, and she decides to stay 12 hours instead.
--your accounting says I paid her $75 an hour for 12 hours
--mine says I paid $300 an hour for 3 hours, and nothing for 9

But here is the thing, if you book another long session with her and she requires payment then you cannot claim that you are friends with this provider or that there is some connection. Long sessions imply you are not only paying for sex but also companionship. Paid friendship is not real friendship, so therefore you cannot claim you are friends with this provider. Even if you are claiming you are only paying for sex, but the only way she will give you "free" friendship time is if you pay her for sex, I would also argue that this is not a real friendship. For instance, if your accountant will only hang out with you if you pay him to do your taxes and only on the days that you pay him to do such work, is the accountant your friend?

Personally I don't care to argue whose accounting rules are correct. It doesn't matter to me. I am fairly confident that the lady voluntarily chose to spend time with me that she did not have to, which leads me to believe she might actually enjoy my company--unlike Gentleman's perspective that they all hate their clients and can't wait to leave. That is really my point.

I am not cynical enough to think that they all hate their clients, but I am not naive enough to think paid friendship is real friendship.

I know what some of my relationships have become over time. Whether he believes it or not--or how you do your accounting--doesn't change that. I am content with the relationships with those few ladies. Reading G's posts, I really doubt he is.

I am not doubting that you have become friends with some escorts, but this thread is about justifying paying for overnight stays, and so far I have not seen a good justification. Even you are claiming that you are not paying for an overnight stay, you are paying for a couple hours and then the woman happens to spend the night. And G is prolly content with the relationships he has with the providers he sees, he just sees it as a business relationship. It doesn't need to turn into a friendship or a romantic relationship for you to be content with it. Are you content with your relationship with the providers that did not become your friends? I imagine if the services were good then you were content with the transaction, right?

Originally Posted by hgritstoo

"Everybody has an angle."
Bob Wallace (Bing Crosby): White Christmas (1954)


As you can see, your universal truth has been around a long time. But, for some reason, your posts make me feel especially sad. I'm so sorry for you.

Not that I don't understand that the ladies are running a business, and we as their clients are their source of income, and so they will do whatever they can for a lucrative "contract." I understand that. I do it myself.

Not that I don't understand that....as "jobs"....some clients are more desireable than others because they are "easier", more "pleasant", or make money faster. I do understand that. I seek those kinds of jobs myself.

No, your posts seem calculated to accentuate a general trend on this board: mutual distrust and disrespect between provider and client. To wit: "One lady told me it was her job to get sorry old men to be infatuated with her. She makes more money and they are easy because usually just one pop."

You see, that is probably an accurate description of me. I'm in my early 60s. Not nice to look at. Not well endowed. I'm only good for for one shot in a 1 or 2 hour session. And I tend to make return visits to providers I like.

Did YOU throw in the adjective "sorry" in your description of me? Or did the provider you were speaking with use it? This is an important question, because I'm not sure if I should feel sorry for you, her, or the both of you.

Prolly in description of you, he likely feels sorry that you are being taken advantage of.

Throughout life, we will encounter people who are different from us. We can choose how we react to them. I choose to accept them as different, and neither look down upon them or hold them in contempt. This, I believe, is why I am fairly happy in life.

I believe it was Aquinas that said, with pride there are no virtues. I too feel sorry for the woman that treats men this way, and I too feel sorry for the men that think escorts are lesser than them.

Although I lack looks, or sexual prowess, I have a pretty good brain. This allows me to earn more money than about 91% of my fellow men. This is a trade-off I will take any time. Because of this, I am able to have sexual adventures far, far above what most people would expect by looking at me.

Yea, we could all use a good brain

Do I begrudge the fact that I am an "easy job" for a provider? Why should I? My purpose for being in her presence is not to make her "work hard." It is to have a sexual encounter with a pretty woman. Also, her opinion of me is not my responsibilty. I will treat her with respect, of course, and try to be as presentable as possible....but if I do these things and she still thinks I'm a chump.....that is on her, not me, and I feel sorry for her.

I don't think G was feeling srry for these old men because it made the woman's job easy, but rather because she was leading these guys on in order to make more money. These poor guys fall for her bs and she ends up draining their bank accounts.

This thread was started by the OP to discover how to get a good overnight session. They can be found. Old T describes it maybe as friendship. Others as chemistry. And I believe you have to have seen a provider a few times to know if that is there. But I would simply call it mutual respect.

But how can there be a friendship when you are paying for the friendship. Paid friendship is an oxymoron. I agree with how you word it, mutual respect. You can respect other ppl without being friends or romantically involved. However, these guys are trying to claim it is more than mutual respect, it's friendship or love.

My ATF, who the hell knows what she thinks of me when I'm gone? But during our time together, she is so patient with me, and intent on my happiness, that she is frequently able to entice pop number 2 out of me in a two hour session. And let me tell you....in the "hooker world" that would be considered hard work! To me, that at least shows respect for me as a client.

This just says that she provides a good service, and she prolly does respect you as a client.

In the wee hours of the morning, when we are all at our most vulnerable, can I hope their IS friendship behind her treatment of me as a client???

You can hope there is friendship, but if you are paying for the friendship then there is no reason to believe it is an actual friendship.

Yeah. You know how us sorry old men are. But when the smoke clears, it is a moot point whether she feels friendly towards me, or is simply an outstanding professional plying her trade with great skill. I am going to be happy, sated, and content. And she is going to walk away with the price of the session in her pocket.

Why be so bitter about this outcome?

Yea, as long as she provides a good service all is good imo. I don't think G is bitter about the outcome, he is just pointing out that the friendship is fake.

[gt27]

Originally Posted by Danielle Reid

Jaded? No. Realistic. If I wanted to chat someone up all day I'd get married. I don't get paid chatting on Eccie. You seem more jaded than I do.

Yeah, I am jaded in some ways. Good point.

Still, your clear lack of understanding on how absurd your post was in regards to this subject is astounding. Hey, you aren't my cup of tea and, with that hooker mentality(BTW, I rarely call a woman a hooker, you might be the first person I have called a hooker on this board) you will go far in life.

[yitzchak]

I've tried to pay for friendship.

So far, nobody is interested.

It seems as though it is easier to pay for sex than to pay for friendship.

It is a curious thing.

Therefore, offering friendship as a service seems like a perk. Because you are able to pay for friendship shows that the girl at least likes you enough to offer that to you. So, you are lucky to have that. Nobody wants to be paid to be my friend . There is no waterpark date in my future.

[Wakeup]

Originally Posted by yitzchak

I've tried to pay for friendship.

So far, nobody is interested.

Therefore, offering friendship as a service seems like a perk. Because you are able to pay for friendship shows that the girl at least likes you enough to offer that to you. So, you are lucky to have that. Nobody wants to be paid to be my friend . There is no waterpark date in my future.

[yitzchak]

It's true. It's way harder to find paid companionship than the other stuff. Nobody offers it. I thought I could easily buy both, but to my surprise, I cannot.

[papadee]

Originally Posted by yitzchak

It's true. It's way harder to find paid companionship than the other stuff. Nobody offers it. I thought I could easily buy both, but to my surprise, I cannot.

Of course you can't. YOU'RE BROKE!!

[yitzchak]

Okay, but it's still harder to find someone who is willing to do the friendship thing, even if they are getting paid for it.

[Vitamin]

Originally Posted by yitzchak

I've tried to pay for friendship.

So far, nobody is interested.

It seems as though it is easier to pay for sex than to pay for friendship.

It is a curious thing.

Therefore, offering friendship as a service seems like a perk. Because you are able to pay for friendship shows that the girl at least likes you enough to offer that to you. So, you are lucky to have that. Nobody wants to be paid to be my friend . There is no waterpark date in my future.

Hang in there man, I believe in you. You will eventually get that paid friendship that you are looking for, I see waterparks in your future Maybe even some paid sex afterwards?

[Old-T]

Vitamin and Gentleman,

You both have a very odd sense of how friends treat each other. You are entitled to your beliefs, but I find them illogical in the extremes you take them to.

In essence, both of you say that a person can never give anything of value to someone and still have a friendship with that person. That is absurd. You two somehow think that if the item given is money, then things are irrevocably tainted compared to giving a person a non monetary gift--i.e. anything else that the Someone values, be it a fine meal, travel, jewelry, help with schoolwork, mentoring with their career, or just the value of YOUR time.

We obviously disagree. I have stated that some ladies do come over with no money in exchange--but that is still not evidence of friendship in your minds since at other times I do pay them. Well, I also give my nieces/nephews cash--and I can assure you some of them would not likely visit me if they were not expecting a birthday check. There are people I have known for years who have had some difficult times--and I find ways to give them some financial help--by your arguments, these people have now moved from being friends to being non-friends since I give them money. I do not agree.

So especially you, G, live in your world where, according to you, no human being would suffer to spend time with you unless you give them something "of value". That is your underlying premise, that women--especially escorts--ridicule men, hate being with them, and only do it to get more money from them. Truly a sad prison you have built to hold you captive.

We are not going to change each others minds, so unless you have something NEW to add I will enjoy time with the people I care to, and you can do likelwise.

[Vitamin]

Originally Posted by Old-T

Vitamin and Gentleman,

You both have a very odd sense of how friends treat each other. You are entitled to your beliefs, but I find them illogical in the extremes you take them to.

It's odd that I don't expect to have to pay my friends $200+/hr to hang out with them? And since friendship is a 2 way street shouldn't they be compensating me as well? And wouldn't this cancel out to $0? Paid friendship is not real friendship. This is common sense to everyone except clients of escorts.

In essence, both of you say that a person can never give anything of value to someone and still have a friendship with that person. That is absurd. You two somehow think that if the item given is money, then things are irrevocably tainted compared to giving a person a non monetary gift--i.e. anything else that the Someone values, be it a fine meal, travel, jewelry, help with schoolwork, mentoring with their career, or just the value of YOUR time.

No, I am not saying you can't give money or gifts to friends, but rather that if a "friend" requires money or a gift in order for you to spend time with him/her then that person is not your friend. Do you have any friendships outside of escorts that require you to compensate them every time you hang out?

We obviously disagree. I have stated that some ladies do come over with no money in exchange--but that is still not evidence of friendship in your minds since at other times I do pay them. Well, I also give my nieces/nephews cash--and I can assure you some of them would not likely visit me if they were not expecting a birthday check. There are people I have known for years who have had some difficult times--and I find ways to give them some financial help--by your arguments, these people have now moved from being friends to being non-friends since I give them money. I do not agree.

Your nieces and nephews are family not your friends, so a different relationship. And yea, if they require cash to talk to you then they aren't too fond of you , but they are likely kids. Your other examples are strawmen, I never said you can't give money to a friend.

So especially you, G, live in your world where, according to you, no human being would suffer to spend time with you unless you give them something "of value". That is your underlying premise, that women--especially escorts--ridicule men, hate being with them, and only do it to get more money from them. Truly a sad prison you have built to hold you captive.

No, G is not saying the only ppl that would spend time with him are ppl looking for him to compensate them for their time. I'm sure G has friends, so those would be ppl not looking for compensation for their friendship. However, he does point out that ppl you are paying to be your friend are, as he would put it, faking, they aren't actually your friend. He's also def not saying women hate men, and he is also not saying escorts hate men, but rather that escorts hate their clients. I don't agree with him, but you are misrepresenting what he is saying. And I think it is fair to say that escorts escort for the money, at least that is the main motivator.

We are not going to change each others minds, so unless you have something NEW to add I will enjoy time with the people I care to, and you can do likelwise.

I am always open to changing my mind, I just need to hear good arguments. I can at least understand that if an escort sometimes requires compensation but other times does not that some clients would feel that this is a friendship. The fact that there is sometimes compensation makes me believe that this is not a friendship, but I can at least understand why some ppl would feel that this is a grey area. I wish you good luck out there, and I hope you enjoy your time with your lady friends.

[gentlemantoo]

I do not think I said the escorts hate their clients. What I mean to say is escorts do not like their clients, in general. Hate is a strong word.

Old-T twists my words very often. I rarely use words like "always" or "never." Because they are absolute and little is absolute when dealing with humans. In fact I use the word "rare." I would never advise a person to invest in the lottery, but I also would not say "everyone who plays the lottery is ALWAYS a loser." Lottery winners exist, but very RARE. Still would not recommend buying tickets as the odds are very much against a win. Same here a true friendship is rare between client and provider, but is possible and I am.confident it has happened.

That being said if my buddy told me this woman he has been seeing for two years and pays her, he wants to have a real romantic relationship with her. I would advise extreme caution, as it is her job to pretend. Odds are heavily set against him careying her off into the sunset for happily ever after.

I respect these women, and I like Danielle Reid and her realism. Turns me on. I respect all people, no matter their mode of income. Never wanted to imply otherwise.

The hobby world is not the place to seek out friends, IMHO. I spent this past weekend with people I like and they care for me - friends. We laughed, played, talked, hung out and nobody paid anyone for their time. True friends. Why are some providers so honest with me? Because I refuse to purchase their services or have sex with them at all. The aying field is now level for a true friendship. Sex is not going to happen so I can not try to impress or pretend. She will not make a dime so her guard comes down and she feels cared for. Liked because of who she is instead because she has a vagina. See, true friendship, no money, no games. Try it, it brings joy to your life.

Debating with people that live in denial is rarher useless. Rational thinking, reason and logic have no merit with a.person who lives in denial. I state my opinion, people whine about it and I move on.

Vitamin you put together a good argument. I.appreciate you actually reading my words instead of twisting them. I have not shown any disrespect to any lady. Nor any hobbyist but I did state I do not believe Old-T about free overnights and I asked if his scenario has happened to anyone else. No responses, hmmmmm.