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Old 10-30-2018, 08:06 AM   #1
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Default Trump will sign Executive Order revoking birthright citizenship. And, of course, lies about it!

Trump is going to try and end birthright citizenship by Executive Order.

I don’t think he’ll get ever through the courts with that one, but what the fuck, it’s a week before Election Day! If this doesn’t get the faithful marching to the polls ...

YOW!

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Exclusive: Trump targeting birthright citizenship with executive order


President Trump plans to sign an executive order that would remove the right to citizenship for babies of non-citizens and unauthorized immigrants born on U.S. soil, he said yesterday in an exclusive interview for "Axios on HBO,"a new four-part documentary news series debuting on HBO this Sunday at 6:30 p.m. ET/PT.

Why it matters: This would be the most dramatic move yet in Trump's hardline immigration campaign, this time targeting "anchor babies" and "chain migration." And it will set off another stand-off with the courts, as Trump’s power to do this through executive action is debatable to say the least.

Trump told "Axios on HBO" that he has run the idea of ending birthright citizenship by his counsel and plans to proceed with the highly controversial move, which certainly will face legal challenges.

"It was always told to me that you needed a constitutional amendment. Guess what? You don't," Trump said, declaring he can do it by executive order.

When told that's very much in dispute, Trump replied: "You can definitely do it with an Act of Congress. But now they're saying I can do it just with an executive order."

"We're the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits," Trump continued. "It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And it has to end." (More than 30 countries, most in the Western Hemisphere, provide birthright citizenship.)

"It's in the process. It'll happen ... with an executive order."

The president expressed surprise that "Axios on HBO" knew about his secret plan: "I didn't think anybody knew that but me. I thought I was the only one. "
Behind the scenes: "Axios on HBO" had been working for weeks on a story on Trump’s plans for birthright citizenship, based on conversations with several sources, including one close to the White House Counsel’s office.

The legal challenges would force the courts to decide on a constitutional debate over the 14th Amendment, which says:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Be smart: Few immigration and constitutional scholars believe it is within the president's power to change birthright citizenship, former U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services chief counsel Lynden Melmed tells Axios.

But some conservatives have argued that the 14th Amendment was only intended to provide citizenship to children born in the U.S. to lawful permanent residents — not to unauthorized immigrants or those on temporary visas.
John Eastman, a constitutional scholar and director of Chapman University's Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence, told "Axios on HBO" that the Constitution has been misapplied over the past 40 or so years. He says the line "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" originally referred to people with full, political allegiance to the U.S. — green card holders and citizens.

Michael Anton, a former national security official in the Trump administration, recently took up this argument in the Washington Post.

Anton said that Trump could, viaexecutive order, "specify to federal agencies that the children of noncitizens are not citizens" simply because they were born on U.S. soil. (It’s not yet clear whether Trump will take this maximalist argument, though his previous rhetoric suggests there’s a good chance.)
But others — such as Judge James C. Ho, who was appointed by Trump to Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, in New Orleans — say the line in the amendment refers to the legal obligation to follow U.S. laws, which applies to all foreign visitors (except diplomats) and immigrants. He has written that changing how the 14th Amendment is applied would be "unconstitutional."

Between the lines: Until the 1960s, the 14th Amendment was never applied to undocumented or temporary immigrants, Eastman said.

Between 1980 and 2006, the number of births to unauthorized immigrants — which opponents of birthright citizenship call "anchor babies" — skyrocketed to a peak of 370,000, according to a 2016 study by Pew Research. It then declined slightly during and following the Great Recession.

The Supreme Court has already ruled that children born to immigrants who are legal permanent residents have citizenship. But those who claim the 14th Amendment should not apply to everyone point to the fact that there has been no ruling on a case specifically involving undocumented immigrants or those with temporary legal status.

The bottom line: If Trump follows through on the executive order, "the courts would have to weigh in in a way they haven't," Eastman said.

The full interview will air on "Axios on HBO" this Sunday, Nov. 4, at 6:30 p.m. ET/PT.

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Old 10-30-2018, 08:09 AM   #2
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This is just a mid term ploy.

The public and left wing media should jyst ignore this nonsense while the right wing media will try and play this up.
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Old 10-30-2018, 08:11 AM   #3
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What did he lie about?
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Old 10-30-2018, 08:14 AM   #4
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He said we were the only country in the world that allows birthright citizenship.

Patently false. Around 30 nations do.

I copied it in bold face letters. Read.
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Old 10-30-2018, 08:19 AM   #5
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He said we were the only country in the world that allows birthright citizenship.

Patently false. Around 30 nations do.

I copied it in bold face letters. Read.
Yet just last week Trump was in Houston supporting a so called anchor baby in Ted Cruz for a election to the Senate. Oh the irony...
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Old 10-30-2018, 08:23 AM   #6
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Yet the Loyalists don’t give a shit. Keep those ”very bad” people and Middle Easterners out of America.

Maybe he’ll dress in full military uniform and stand atop a tank at the border when the asylum seekers arrive. In December!
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I found a support group for the Trump haters. I'm just trying to be helpful because some of these Trump haters are losing their minds!
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He said we were the only country in the world that allows birthright citizenship.

Patently false. Around 30 nations do.

I copied it in bold face letters. Read.
According to this link, only two Countries, The Us and Canada, have birthright by means of simply being born on that Coutry's soil.

https://www.quora.com/In-which-count...childs-parents

The others all contain some typ of Caveat that prevents what has come to be called "anchor babies".

I agree that Section One of the 14th Amendment is written in plain enough English to understand that an Executive Ordr will not stand up to judicial scrutiny.

But, it's good politics.
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I agree that Section One of the 14th Amendment is written in plain enough English to understand that an Executive Ordr will not stand up to judicial scrutiny.

But, it's good politics.
it is good politics to the uninformed.

which is one of the reasons why Trump is losing educated white women in the suburbs
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I agree that Section One of the 14th Amendment is written in plain enough English to understand that an Executive Order will not stand up to judicial scrutiny.

But, it's good politics.
Has anyone seen a copy of the EO? I guess NOT!

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Updated Oct. 30, 2018 10:35 a.m. ET
WASHINGTON—President Trump is planning an executive order he says would terminate the automatic right to citizenship for children born in the U.S. to noncitizens, a move most legal experts said would be unconstitutional and one that escalates his tough stance on immigration ahead of the midterm elections.

It’s in the process. It’ll happen, with an executive order,” Mr. Trump said in an interview with Axios made public this morning.
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It’s a bullshit political ploy aimed at low-information voters who are still looking for birth certificates in the Kenyan jungle.

Anything to take the nation’s mind off Trump’s failures in policy and leadership that resulted in the events of last week.

Anything to shift the narrative back to fighting the unseen hordes swarming into our country.

Make America Grieve Again.
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Has anyone seen a copy of the EO? I guess NOT!



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... coverage for "pre-existing conditions" just got shelved in their hysteria!!!!!

Republicans already passed a bill for "pre-existing conditions" ... anyway!!!!!
Really needed to be repeated ... for educational purposes.

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Not these women.


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it is good politics to the uninformed.

which is one of the reasons why Trump is losing educated white women in the suburbs
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Seems to be a gaggle of them Ellen
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Not these women.
Yes,I readily admit that Trump has the brainless bimbo vote locked up.

I specifically said educated informed Suburban women
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