Trump's First Year: An Amazing Success

[assfucker]

Originally Posted by gfejunkie

I know you people. I've watched you too long.

You people? Fuck off man. I'm not a libtard. Or a Trumptard. I meant it's sad because he'll probably never see the inside of a jail cell.

[gfejunkie]

Originally Posted by Austin Dude

This guy was a deputy. He was trained. And he didn't have what it took to go in there and face down a man with an AR-15.

Sounds more like a personnel problem to me. That and more government failure in this case.


Everything we care about in this country is protected by guns.

Why not our youth?

[pussycat]

The teachers' unions don't want them to be armed, and I understand that most teachers are meek people who don't want to be responsible for defending themselves or the kids they are RESPONSIBLE for. But that's just too bad. Life is hard and in life you have to stand up and defend yourself and other vulnerable people. To do otherwise is to be a coward. The police will not arrive in time, and even when they do they are reluctant to even enter the building because they too are cowards. The bad guys know that the teachers, principals and everyone else at schools are meek and cowardly. That's why they strike. After the shooting the media is all over the scene shooting pictures of girls crying and crying on the shoulders of their parents and teachers. Cry cry cry. So many tears but not an ounce of courage in anyone to stand up to these killers. Trump is right in that the schools have to be hardened. If the principals are weenies and don't want to have a rifle in their closet then get rid of them. And it doesn't take someone with a military background to defend themselves with a gun. The teachers can be trusted with guns so just let the ones who will have them keep them nearby.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Austin Dude

Like logical people have been saying, arming teachers isn't an idea that will work.

Noone is saying to 'arm' teachers- as in, all teachers must be armed. What they are saying is, well trained and armed teachers can be good. But clearly, only if they are well trained and ready to defend. There are many teachers that already meet the criteria and are already certified 'conceal carry'. At present, it would be a felony for them to bring their legal firearm to work.

Not everyone is well suited or trained to be concealed carry, Demonicrats come to mind, but there are certainly many that are and would would be willing to use deadly force - especially to save a lot of innocent lives.

[Austin Dude]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Noone is saying to 'arm' teachers- as in, all teachers must be armed. What they are saying is, well trained and armed teachers can be good. But clearly, only if they are well trained and ready to defend. There are many teachers that already meet the criteria and are already certified 'conceal carry'. At present, it would be a felony for them to bring their legal firearm to work.

Not everyone is well suited or trained to be concealed carry, Demonicrats come to mind, but there are certainly many that are and would would be willing to use deadly force - especially to save a lot of innocent lives.

Well-trained? What kind of training do they have? You know the amount of time that S.W.A.T. teams need to be able to handle these types of situations. Being a crack shot at the range isn’t going to mean anything when someone is firing at you and you’re faced with taking a life. No one can train for that. No one knows if they have that in them, case in point, this officer. He was trained and it didn’t mean anything.

Then we get to all the things stupid people saying this don’t really think about…
Who pays for the training? Is it out of pocket? Do you get reimbursed? How many hours do you have to take to be considered properly trained? Will they ask potential hires if they are already trained/have a permit to carry? Is that going to lead to biased hiring practices? What happens when someone shots an innocent person (either accidentally or mistake identity)? What about parents who don’t want their kids in a classroom with a gun? Do they not matter? What happens if we armed a teacher and they decide to shot up a school? What then?

Then you consider not all states are concealed carry. Are the Republican Party, the party that’s suppose to be all about state’s rights, going to require all states to do something even if they don’t want to?

Now to your stupid attacks:
Democrats aren’t well suited to carry now? Saying idiotic things like this shows you lack any ability to see past a person’s party. What about all those Democrats who served in the military, who are police officers, etc. I guess those people aren’t good enough in your eyes because they are Democrats. Or do you subscribe to some moronic view that no solider, officer or federal agent is a Democrat?

[Groovy Johnson]

Hey Libtards !

If only Ft Hood had a good guy with a gun, a tragedy could have been averted.

Trump/LaPierre 2020

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Austin Dude

Well-trained? What kind of training do they have? You know the amount of time that S.W.A.T. teams need to be able to handle these types of situations. Being a crack shot at the range isn’t going to mean anything when someone is firing at you and you’re faced with taking a life. No one can train for that. No one knows if they have that in them, case in point, this officer. He was trained and it didn’t mean anything.

You might want to watch the Youtub video of 'Daniel Shaver' being killed by Mesa, AZ cops, who were later exonerated. Then report back on their training. Think it was posted on the dailymail.co.uk also. But yes, you can train a fair bit. Keep it to the basics, know yourself, your weapon and the environment. SWAT trains for a wide range of events. Mainly they are focused on overwhelming force, i.e. shock and awe. But self defense and being in a corner are rather motivational.

Originally Posted by Austin Dude

Then we get to all the things stupid people saying this don’t really think about…
Who pays for the training? Is it out of pocket? Do you get reimbursed? How many hours do you have to take to be considered properly trained? Will they ask potential hires if they are already trained/have a permit to carry? Is that going to lead to biased hiring practices? What happens when someone shots an innocent person (either accidentally or mistake identity)? What about parents who don’t want their kids in a classroom with a gun? Do they not matter? What happens if we armed a teacher and they decide to shot up a school? What then?

Not that I think you are actually offering a viable option, but what would it cost to retrofit every existing school to TSA standards? And who would pay for it? And staff it? What about parents that don't want their kids attending what amounts to a prison, sans the razor wire? What happens if a teacher is unarmed when there is an active shooter on-site? You can go in circles forever or discuss options and make sound choices. So what if you don't like one choice. There are others involved as well.

Originally Posted by Austin Dude

Then you consider not all states are concealed carry. Are the Republican Party, the party that’s suppose to be all about state’s rights, going to require all states to do something even if they don’t want to?

You mean like States Rights? Isn't that covered in Article X of the Bill of Rights already? Go on, you can name them; Calfornication, NJ, IL, NY, DC - mainly liberal sh*tholes, not to mention places with high murder rates.

Originally Posted by Austin Dude

Now to your stupid attacks:
Democrats aren’t well suited to carry now? Saying idiotic things like this shows you lack any ability to see past a person’s party. What about all those Democrats who served in the military, who are police officers, etc. I guess those people aren’t good enough in your eyes because they are Democrats. Or do you subscribe to some moronic view that no solider, officer or federal agent is a Democrat?

Wowzers, you're really slipping off of your game today. A whole post without calling someone a racist or bigot. Didn't see that one coming. I'm sure there are some fine Democrats that are capable. Though they should probably register as a certified minority.

[assfucker]

Everybody wants Band-Aids. Nobody wants to fix the real problems that are the root cause of this shit, primarily inequality driven by capitalism and competition run amok. Just keep taking steps closer to dystopia.

Teachers with fucking guns? What fucking kind of world do you sick fucks wanna live in?

American capitalism is destroying the world. Wake the fuck up.

[gfejunkie]

Originally Posted by Austin Dude

Well-trained? He was trained and it didn’t mean anything.

Now that there were four of them, something tells me they weren't that well trained...

https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-02-...anti-gun.html#

Apparently they had an agenda to fulfill as well.

[gfejunkie]

Originally Posted by assfucker

American capitalism is destroying the world.

Well, now. Thanks for exposing yourself and welcome to the trash heap of socialism (the old Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, etc., etc., etc...)

[assfucker]

Originally Posted by gfejunkie

Well, now. Thanks for exposing yourself and welcome to the trash heap of socialism (the old Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, etc., etc., etc...)

Exposing myself? I never hide my disdain for exploitative capitalists, us foreign policy, religion, the MIC or the PIC. Luckily, some of us are working to evolve humanity to the next level.

You are such a predictable binary parrot. Ever have a fucking original thought at any point in your tiny myopic life? There are other options.

Also, not one of those examples you cite are actually socialist. They're essentially elitist dictatorships. Maduro, Castro, Kim, etc have never suffered like their people.

[Austin Ellen]

Excuse me sugar, but there was a mandate that stated military personal could not carry concealed guns on the base. Now does make sense??? Thank Obama for that one.

Originally Posted by Groovy Johnson

Hey Libtards !

If only Ft Hood had a good guy with a gun, a tragedy could have been averted.

Trump/LaPierre 2020

[Groovy Johnson]

Excuse me,sugar,but that directive was implemented in 1992 by the Department of Defense,not by executive order.
But you can blame Obama if you want.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by Austin Ellen

Excuse me sugar, but there was a mandate that stated military personal could not carry concealed guns on the base. Now does make sense??? Thank Obama for that one.

I was in the military and the last thing I would have wanted to see was soldiers being allowed to carry guns on the base. Most soldiers who live on the base are more than slightly inebriated on Friday and Saturday nights. Alcohol and access to handguns do not mix very well.

And Obama had NOTHING to do with the banning of handguns on military bases. Not even close.

"It was during the presidency of George H.W. Bush, not Bill Clinton, that the U.S. Department of Defense issued a directive in February 1992 affecting the carrying of firearms on bases by military personnel. That directive was eventually implemented through a regulation 190-14 issued by the Department of the Army (not via executive order) in March 1993, just two months after President Clinton assumed office."

Source: https://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/baseguns.asp

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by pussycat

The teachers' unions don't want them to be armed, and I understand that most teachers are meek people who don't want to be responsible for defending themselves or the kids they are RESPONSIBLE for. But that's just too bad. Life is hard and in life you have to stand up and defend yourself and other vulnerable people. To do otherwise is to be a coward. The police will not arrive in time, and even when they do they are reluctant to even enter the building because they too are cowards. The bad guys know that the teachers, principals and everyone else at schools are meek and cowardly. That's why they strike. After the shooting the media is all over the scene shooting pictures of girls crying and crying on the shoulders of their parents and teachers. Cry cry cry. So many tears but not an ounce of courage in anyone to stand up to these killers. Trump is right in that the schools have to be hardened. If the principals are weenies and don't want to have a rifle in their closet then get rid of them. And it doesn't take someone with a military background to defend themselves with a gun. The teachers can be trusted with guns so just let the ones who will have them keep them nearby.

Teachers graduate from college with a teaching degree. They go into the teaching field because they love the profession. They do not sign up to protect children in their classroom from idiots with a gun. To categorize them as "meek and cowardly" is about as stupid a statement as it gets.

I have many family members and friends who are teachers. Not one wants to carry a gun while teaching. If you have been following the news, you are one of the few who supports Trump's wanting to arm school teachers.

If you feel so strongly about, get a degree in education, get a job in a school. and fight for the right to carry a gun in your classroom. Then you can start calling others cowards for not following your example.