The Silly Arguments Against a Border Wall

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by themystic

Good post. Ultimately when a person in power takes the credit for all the good news hes going to take the blame for the failures. Trump had 2 years to get this train on the tracks. He failed. Plain and simple

Can you ever stay on topic? Or is this one too challenging?

[theotherguy1]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

January 11, 2019


The Silly Arguments Against a Border Wall

They’ll go around it? Exactly—that’s the point.

By Dan Crenshaw
Jan. 10, 2019 7:05 p.m. ET

This week saw the culmination of the great wall debate. President Trump made his case—one I generally agree with—and explained what an extra $5.7 billion (approximately 0.1% of the budget) would do for the security of our southern border. Democratic leaders Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi immediately dismissed it. It is honestly surprising how quickly and thoroughly Democrats adopted the notion that a wall of any kind is such an obviously stupid and immoral idea. Well, is it? Let’s lay out the claims one by one:

• They’ll just climb over it, dig under it or break through it. Just like that huh? I spent 10 years as a Navy SEAL, and people often say, “Dan, you know better than anyone how ineffective a wall is.” Actually, I know how effective walls are, even against skilled SEALs. Planning to scale a 30-foot steel slatted barrier is a daunting challenge. Do you bring an enormous ladder all the way there? How do you get down from the top? Jump? Rappel? This isn’t a Tough Mudder course. A few skilled and well-equipped people may figure it out, but the reality is that most will be deterred.

The same goes for “digging” or “breaking.” Tunneling would require special equipment and hundreds of hours to dig under the barrier, the base of which would penetrate many feet underground. To break through it, you’d need specialized circular saws, torches or explosives. Typical equipment for a special-ops team, but not exactly on the packing list for a migrant. And Border Patrol agents would easily detect such a ruckus.

This isn’t to argue that a wall is completely impenetrable given the right equipment, but to state the obvious: A barrier is far preferable to an open space, where migrants can simply walk across.

• They’ll just go around it. Exactly—that’s the point. A deterrent at the busiest sections of the border would allow more effective allocation of manpower. If a mile of the border is walled off, that’s one less mile the Border Patrol needs to worry about. Agents can still respond to the location if a special-ops caravan shows up with a blowtorch, but otherwise they can focus on open areas where it is simply not viable to build a barrier.

• You can’t put a wall on the Rio Grande. Fair enough—there are places where a physical barrier can’t work, such as private land along the river in Texas. You can’t build a wall everywhere—but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t build one anywhere.

This whole debate is a classic case of one side attacking the other’s worst arguments instead of seriously addressing the actual proposal. Democrats need to stop assuming we are talking about a contiguous 2,000-mile wall. Republicans know that’s not practical. The budget’s small allocation of $5.7 billion that President Trump has requested would build 234 miles of wall. It’s a start.

We know that border security is a multifaceted problem, that security at unwalled segments can be enhanced by drones, sensors and additional patrols, and that the Rio Grande requires a different approach. Let’s start looking for a multifaceted solution instead of automatically dismissing the critical role that physical barriers play.

Do Democrats agree that it’s a problem when hundreds of thousands of people illegally cross our border each year or not? If we all still agree on the sanctity of our country’s borders and rule of law—and I have faith that most of us do—then we should be looking for solutions. My fear is that Democrats have staked out a position so extreme that any common-sense compromise involving a physical barrier will constitute a serious political loss for them. It doesn’t have to. The president’s proposal—a mix of physical barriers, technology and more Border Patrol agents—is one that benefits everyone.

Mr. Crenshaw, a Republican, represents Texas’ Second Congressional District.

You know I never agree with the wall idea until I read this. One of the problems that I have with President Trump is that he quickly goes to completely illogical and dishonest points about good ideas.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

the number of granted asylums per year hasn't grown by much, but the number of claimed asylums has risen dramatically clogging the courts, and causing most cases to never be handled in a reasonable amount of time.

read that there is a 1 million back log of cases in the administrative court.

[themystic]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Can you ever stay on topic? Or is this one too challenging?

Im sorry your cant see how this is related to the topic. Everyone else did. I hope you feel better soon Lex.

Here's Mexico's "silly" position. LMAO!!!!!!!

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...4&&FORM=VRDGAR

[bamscram]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Premised on ..... Trump being concerned about "polls"?

As the average citizen moves about their everyday life, the Duffus-Duo, Chuck and Nancy, are merely proving with each day that the "average citizen" will do just fine with LESS FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!

Just think? Let me repeat that .... "just think"! ...

... wouldn't we as taxpayers be better off with 800,000 fewer pups on the Government Tit?

There are plenty of jobs to be had ... they can go get one of them!

Or are the Duffus-Duo and their Loyal Liberal-Socialists saving those jobs for the women and their offspring marching to our Southern Border in "CARAVANS" for a "better life" in OUR COUNTRY!

May be they should have voted for Trump and his supporters in Congress!!!!!

There would be no "shutdown"! Trump would get his "wall" money and they paid. But .. "NOOOOOOOOOOO"!

The shutdown was caused by faux news saying Trump was backing down, and he flip flopped and wouldn't sign the bill passed by both houses.
I know how you snowflakes like blaming the other party, but wake up.

[R.M.]

Originally Posted by themystic

Yep that's right. These people illegally are being hired by Americans who know they are not legal. In Texas its a common practice. Go up to the next Hispanic landscaper you see and ask him for his "papers" because you think he is illegal. Tell him if doesn't show you, you will call the police. Even if the police came they wouldn't do anything. There are approximately 7 million people in Houston. There are 11 million illegals in the USA. Really think about that

So you are saying Trump should go to jail? Well so should the Clinton's, Maxine Waters plus Al Sharpton More than {4.5 Million} in unpaid taxes.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by bamscram

The shutdown was caused by faux news s.....

... is the "other party" the "Liberal-Socialists of the Americas Party"?

Or is it: "Socialist-Liberals of the Americas Party" aka SAP!

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by R.M.

So you are saying Trump should go to jail?

I don't believe he is. But he would probably be delighted if Trump would simply hand the Clintons the keys to the WH and evict Pence.

You probably wouldn't hear much more noise out of the Socialist-Liberals on or off the board, and taxes would go up, the market go down, and business stagnate while China takes over the World with their ally the Russians. They would be happier than a Pig in Shit!

[themystic]

Originally Posted by R.M.

So you are saying Trump should go to jail? Well so should the Clinton's, Maxine Waters plus Al Sharpton More than {4.5 Million} in unpaid taxes.

Trumps not going to Jail and neither are Maxine, Rev Al or the Clintons. People who assume if your against Trump you are automatically for Clinton. That isn't true. The Clintons and Trump are both crooks and liars. Trump has just taken corruption to a whole new level. Will he make it through his term? Probably. Will he be reelected? Doesn't look like it. His border wall is nothing more than politics. There is no crisis

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by themystic

There is no crisis

I forgot! Bill fixed it!

But there are some areas that the federal government should not leave and should address and address strongly. One of these areas is the problem of illegal immigration. After years of neglect, this administration has taken a strong stand to stiffen the protection of our borders. We are increasing border controls by 50 percent. We are increasing inspections to prevent the hiring of illegal immigrants. And tonight, I announce I will sign an executive order to deny federal contracts to businesses that hire illegal immigrants.

From Clinton's 1996 State of the Union address. Thanks Bill!



Immigrants All.

[themystic]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

I forgot! Bill fixed it!



From Clinton's 1996 State of the Union address. Thanks Bill!



Immigrants All.

You're right. Build the wall. DACA for the Wall. lets let 2 million Mexicans stay so we can keep out 2 dozen Mexicans. LMAO counselor

Didn't the WTC get blown up under Bush watch? Thanks Bush 41 & 43

I don't think the Saudis will blow up any more NYC buildings as long as Trump is president

[WTF]

Originally Posted by R.M.

So you are saying Trump should go to jail? Well so should the Clinton's, Maxine Waters plus Al Sharpton More than {4.5 Million} in unpaid taxes.

Shit I'd vote to send them all to jail!

[WTF]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

I forgot! Bill fixed it!



From Clinton's 1996 State of the Union address. Thanks Bill!



Immigrants All.

So you think a wall would have stopped 9/11

[bamscram]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

... is the "other party" the "Liberal-Socialists of the Americas Party"?

Or is it: "Socialist-Liberals of the Americas Party" aka SAP!

Which one is your party?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by bamscram

Which one is your party?

You don't remember?

BTW: The Republicans didn't elect Trump. The Democrats did.

The Democrats the loony Socialist-Liberals ran off, plus by running HillariousNomore with Bernie close behind, and taking "the minority vote" for granted.

It's going to be even worse in 2020. The AntiTrumpers will have to register the illegal aliens to even be competitive.