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Old 12-09-2020, 02:11 AM   #1
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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/08/saxo...e-in-2021.html

Universal basic income could decimate cities next year, one bank says in its ‘outlandish forecasts’

Published Tue, Dec 8 20208:38 AM ESTUpdated Tue, Dec 8 202011:42 PM EST

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  • In a report entitled “Outrageous Predictions,” Saxo Bank outlined 10 “outlandish forecasts” for 2021, although it did stress these are not its “official” views.
  • Among the predictions, the Danish bank said measures implemented by governments to support lost wages in response to the coronavirus pandemic could become permanent.
  • “UBI leads to a seismic rebalancing of the forces and structures within society, and how they apply geographically,” strategist Kay Van-Petersen said in the report.

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Saxo Bank’s Jakobsen reflects on some of the bank’s ‘outrageous predictions’ for 2021

LONDON — Saxo Bank says universal basic income could become a permanent reality next year, triggering a “seismic rebalancing” of society as workers wave “bye-bye” to big city life.

In a report entitled “Outrageous Predictions,” the Danish bank on Tuesday outlined 10 “outlandish forecasts” for 2021, although it did stress these are not its “official” views.

Among the predictions, the bank said that measures implemented by governments to support lost wages in response to the coronavirus pandemic could become permanent, and this new era of free money would crush commercial real estate.

“The risk that societies are entirely torn apart results in the realisation that the Covid-19 measures weren’t a mere panic response, but the start of a permanent new universal basic income (UBI) reality,” Saxo global macro strategist Kay Van-Petersen said in the report.

“UBI leads to a seismic rebalancing of the forces and structures within society, and how they apply geographically.”

He said the Covid-19 pandemic has “only accelerated the K-shaped recovery that was driving inequality and tearing at the social fabric before the outbreak.”

A K-shaped recovery refers to one in which the performance of the economy sharply diverges like the arms of the letter K, with some parts of the economy benefiting from strong growth while others lag.

Van-Petersen also said the younger generation had come to realize that “even a solid education and the right attitude” were not enough to move up the socio-economic ladder as was possible through most of the 20th century. And the growing wage deflationary forces of software, artificial intelligence and automation were “eroding a widening swath of jobs across industries.”

Big city exodus

Universal basic income is not a new idea. But it has gained traction in the wake of the pandemic, with advocates of the policy suggesting it could help financially support those affected by the global health crisis and future-proof against any further society-wide event.

The IMF describes universal basic income as an income-support mechanism, in which regular cash payments are intended to reach a large portion of the population with minimal conditions.

In short, it would see everyone receive a flat rate payment on a regular basis, regardless of their employment status.

In April, as many countries moved to adopt lockdown measures to curb the spread of Covid-19, Pope Francis came out in support of such a move, saying: “This may be the time to consider a universal basic wage.”

“Big cities have been the chief drivers of job growth for generations. But in the new era of UBI, tech-driven job redundancies, and frequent work from home jaunts made more normal by Covid-19, city office real estate is suddenly faced with 100% or worse overcapacity,” Van-Petersen said.

“Commercial office property values are crushed, together with the commercial real estate containing restaurants and shops aimed at servicing commuting worker drones.”

As a result, Saxo Bank said investors might consider adopting a short position in big city real estate investment trusts. It cited SL Realty Trust, saying it exclusively invests in New York office buildings, or Vornado Realty Trust, since it invests in Chicago, San Francisco and New York.

A short position refers to a trading technique in which a market participant sells a security on the assumption it will fall in the short term.

“The new UBI also drives changes in the attitude toward work and life balance, allowing many young people to stay in the communities where they grew up,” Van-Petersen said.

“Meanwhile, the professionals and the marginal workers in big cities also begin to leave, as job opportunities dry up and the quality of life in small, over-priced apartments in higher crime neighborhoods loses its appeal.”
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Old 12-09-2020, 03:40 AM   #2
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There has been a shift away from urban existence for decades, but what changed since 2009 is executive orders from the Obmainable-Bitten (Yes! Bitten FYI) that required suburban areas to contain racial balances in housing and low income multifamily developments. Grants and supplemental funding to obtain and develop the housing was the attractor.

Under a Bitten-Kumola (Gang of Five) administration the "program" will continue and the once comfortable and pleasant surbuban areas will turn into dumps with artificially high tax valuations to support the slums.

As professions adjust to "remote" employment and business activity the "country side" will become a haven for those desiring clean air, clean streets, and law abiding existences in communities and developments that respect individual rights and privileges and assure safe work and play.

There will be a revolt from taxpayers funding the "big city" bullshit.
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Old 12-09-2020, 06:40 AM   #3
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The Dims themselves are creating an environment where even Dims will be hit with large tax increases.

This is so classic. Any utopian society always fails as folks realize they don't actually have to work.
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Old 12-09-2020, 06:53 AM   #4
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sad to say but republicans are scant better at not spending like drunken sailors, the only difference in absolute terms is slightly less profligacy and lip service

the dims will want to raise taxes, not so much to fund the spending, for they know taxes won't, but to control people and to pick favored winners and punish hated losers and redirect the economy
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Old 12-09-2020, 07:24 AM   #5
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Yup , right outa the 1984 play book!!!!!!
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Old 12-09-2020, 10:48 AM   #6
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It would be cheep 1000 times 300 million is 0.3 trillion times 12 is 3.6 trillion far lass than national budject now. Far less that the corporate bail out, far less than states bail out, in fact there may be able to pay off Nation debt.
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Old 12-09-2020, 07:58 PM   #7
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I think Ripmany posted the most logical thought!
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Old 12-09-2020, 08:32 PM   #8
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If they are going to forcefully destroy small businesses, they should at least include a UBI. Instead, they just forcefully destroyed small businesses.
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sad to say but republicans are scant better at not spending like drunken sailors, the only difference in absolute terms is slightly less profligacy and lip service
How about Republicans administration spend MORE
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The UBI has been floated for years and will be coming closer to fruition in a few decades. In developed countries jobs like truck and Uber drivers will be automated. Many small businesses will be gone due to Amazon and Walmart along with the associated job reductions. In essence, too many people and too few jobs.

Elon Musk and other billionaires have embraced this eventuality.
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