For Esteemed Posters on the Left - Evidence that Republicans Were Better for the Middle Class and the Poor than Democrats

[rexdutchman]

Funny the 1984 virus was gonna kill 2 million or more Facccci said it ( nothing burger flu ) Joey and Odumboo H1N1 was nothing nothing at all sooo what the point ,

[HoeHummer]

200,000 + dead.

WSND.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by HoeHummer

200,000 + dead.

WSND.

hong kong flu: 1 million dead in 1967-68. we didn't wear mask, or stop businesses from running. hit the elderly hard too. no politician got blamed for it.

[sportfisherman]

That was a million dead in US ?

I don't think so.

[nevergaveitathought]

conservatives also contribute to charity far beyond the levels of leftists

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

hong kong flu: 1 million dead in 1967-68. we didn't wear mask, or stop businesses from running. hit the elderly hard too. no politician got blamed for it.

Originally Posted by sportfisherman

That was a million dead in US ?

I don't think so.

about 50,000 in the US. Mostly old folks. Vaccine in just 4 months.

If y'all had not waged a phony war in Vietnam, the US would have been free of that Flu. Returning US Soldiers were the viral source in America.

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by Tiny

So what happened? I believe a huge part of the reason for the growth in median household income last year was the Ryan/Trump tax cuts for corporations, and for pass through businesses with lots of employees, in 2017. Trump's deregulation helped as well. Businesses expanded. There was more competition for labor. Unemployment went down. Wages went up.

I want to thank Eccieuser for participating in my series of "For Eccieuser" threads, and for reciprocating with a couple of "For Tiny" threads as well. I am trying to enlarge my audience, and in the hopes that three or four people who are left of center will read this post instead of just one, I have titled it "For Esteemed Posters on the Left", instead of "For Eccieuser."

I would also like to thank some of the posters here who suffer from TES (Trump Enlightenment Syndrome), who showed me that there's a way to put words that start with t, like Tiny and Trump, in tiny text.

Breonna Taylor Didn’t Stand a Chance Under the Law

https://www.gq.com/story/breonna-tay...aw-outrage/amp

Supreme Court rulings, a dubious search warrant, and laws that protect police first made a mockery of Taylor’s right to be free from violence in her own home. Daniel Cameron’s failure to bring homicide charges against the shooting officers was inevitable—but no less outrageous for that.

Daniel Cameron, the rising Republican star and Kentucky attorney general, had the presence of mind to mention Breonna Taylor once, albeit in passing, during his prime-time remarks at the Republican National Convention in August. His bromides, at once Trumpian and smooth, gave no hints about the then still-pending investigation into the Louisville case, which he had taken over as special prosecutor in May. By then, it had already become a flashpoint — both in Cameron’s young career in politics and for the nation’s demands for racial justice. In his vague appeal to “heal the nation’s wounds” that night, though, Cameron did offer this: “Democracy is a system that recognizes the equality of humans before the law.”


On September 23, facing a national audience yet again, Cameron put that proposition to the test when he announced that the three Louisville police officers who raided Taylor’s home shortly after midnight on March 13 and sprayed her body with bullets would not be charged with any of the six homicide charges available under Kentucky law. “The facts have been examined and a grand jury comprised of our peers and fellow citizens has made a decision,” Cameron told reporters. “Justice is not often easy, does not fit the mold of public opinion, and it does not conform to shifting standards. It answers only to the facts and to the law.”

Only one officer, Detective Brett Hankison, would be charged with what state law calls “wanton endangerment” — not of Taylor’s life or her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, but of three neighbors whose apartment was collateral damage in the shootout. The charge is considered a Class D felony — the same level offense demonstrators received in July after protesting outside Cameron’s home. Maybe that’s who the attorney general was referencing when he called out “mob justice” during the Taylor announcement: “If we simply act on emotion or outrage, there is no justice,” he said.

Nevertheless, Kentuckians and the rest of us have a right to be outraged at the law’s failure to protect Breonna Taylor. From Staten Island to St. Louis, Mo. to Tucson, Ariz., Americans have seen this film time and again: a horrific case of police brutality, sometimes caught on camera, sometimes not, grips the nation, driving calls for justice, reform, and a modicum of accountability, only to result in an elected prosecutor announcing modest or no charges, a civil settlement, and minor adjustments to local policing practices. More than the slap on the wrist for Hankison, Cameron’s greatest acknowledgment that something was really rotten in the way the indicted officer and his armed companions ambushed Taylor’s apartment was the promised creation of a task force that will conduct “a top-to-bottom review” of how police in the state seek and execute search warrants.

Breonna Taylor’s life and death in her own home mean many things to different people, but what renders her case so visceral is the invasion of her and her boyfriend’s intimacy under color of state law — to say nothing of the string of systemic failures that landed her in the sights of the Louisville Metro Police Department in the first place. As The Washington Post’s Radley Balko has deftly written, these failings all go back to the boilerplate, rubber-stamped search warrant that, in the officers’ minds, gave them authority to invade Taylor’s privacy and shoot to kill if necessary. In the eyes of the law, Taylor’s home was treated no differently than a stash house — using nearly identical language, Louisville police managed to convince a judge that their investigation of Jamarcus Glover, Taylor’s ex-boyfriend and a convicted drug dealer, justified conducting a drug raid of Taylor’s apartment on top of four other actual “trap houses” located in a different part of town.

Search warrants aren’t mere formalities; they’re written into the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution as an independent check on the government’s limited authority to seize and search “persons, houses, papers, and effects” — all things that, to the Founders, represented “the sanctity of a man’s home and the privacies of life.” Some 135 years ago, the Supreme Court said that the amendment goes beyond the mere breaking and entering of private property by government officials. “It is not the breaking of his doors, and the rummaging of his drawers, that constitutes the essence of the offence; but it is the invasion of his indefeasible right of personal security, personal liberty and private property,” the court wrote.

For many decades since, the Supreme Court has talked a big game about the protections of the Fourth Amendment while consistently chipping away at its protections. As Balko explained, in 2005, a 5-to-4 decision more or less swallowed whole the rule requiring police officers to knock and announce themselves prior to the execution of a search warrant. In his dissenting opinion, an exasperated Justice Stephen Breyer, who isn’t exactly a flaming liberal in matters of criminal law and procedure, lamented that the ruling “weakens, perhaps destroys, much of the practical value of the Constitution’s knock-and-announce protection.”

The point of constitutional rules is to guide future police behavior — not to tie officers’ hands or let true criminals go free, but to instill thoughtful, deliberate policing that looks out for everyone’s civil rights. Without them, innocent couples like Taylor and Walker end up terrorized, even dead. There remains grave uncertainty as to whether the officers who raided their apartment even announced themselves — a crucial oversight that could have averted the deadly shootout in the first place. Cameron said that “an independent witness” attested to the officers’ announcing their presence. There’s reasonable doubt about that: A distraught Walker told investigators that he and Taylor only heard loud banging on the door, and no response after they yelled out for the intruders to identify themselves. The New York Times interviewed nearly a dozen neighbors at the same apartment complex, and none heard anything.

In Louisville or anywhere else, that’s akin to police-induced terror, and wholly justifies Kenneth Walker, a lawful gun owner, grabbing his Glock and firing it in his own and Taylor’s defense the moment the officers breached their peace. He doesn’t have a criminal past; he’s the good guy with a gun. The NRA should celebrate him as a model citizen. The conceit of Cameron’s announcement, which has fed the insidious view that Walker is at fault for his girlfriend’s death, is that he shot first, and that you simply don’t shoot at cops. Everything else that followed was a tragic consequence of that choice. They were “fired upon by Kenneth Walker,” according to Cameron’s police-speak. In his telling, no homicide charges are justified against the shooting officers because they were acting in self-defense during a home invasion that may well have been unconstitutional from the start.

That assessment might be correct under the law, but the Constitution demands more of those who are sworn to serve and protect and carry a shield and a gun. The attorney general’s new task force is one step in that direction. As are calls for releasing the grand jury transcripts, an ongoing civil-rights probe led by the FBI, and Louisville’s own reforms to its police department. As VICE News reported late Saturday, there yet remain many unanswered questions about what went wrong on March 13, and transparency will help expose the rot. And in a world where the Justice Department isn’t captured by a partisan attorney general, its civil rights division would already be taking a hard look at bringing the police department under federal supervision, as happened in the aftermath of Ferguson and other localities with a history of troubling practices.

None of these things are panaceas. But if Breonna Taylor is to be honored, her beautiful life remembered, the very least the nation should expect is policing that treats every home, no matter who’s in it, as a place where baking cookies, playing Uno, and curling up to watch Netflix isn’t a woman’s final, happy memory.

Cristian Farias is a legal journalist and a writer-in-residence at the Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia University.

What good does money do,

if you think BLM is misguided?

[eccieuser9500]

[oeb11]

OBLm - is happy to confiscate your home - 9500
what good ismoney - please donate all your to a Good DPST cause

Abortions for Liberals - so we have less of them!

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

What good does money do,

if you think BLM is misguided?

Yes, BLM is misguided. Which of the following do you believe should concern us most? Which should we be working the hardest to improve?

Number of black children under age 6 living in poverty, 2019: 3,054,000 (45.8%)

Probability a black boy born today can be expected to be sentenced to prison: 1 out of 3

Median black household income as a % of median white household income, 2019: 59.7%

Black high school graduation rate, 2017: 67% (compare to 93% for whites)

Life expectancy for blacks, 2018: 75 years (compare to 78.6 years for whites, 81.9 years for hispanics, and 86.3 years for Asians)

Number of blacks who died from heart disease in 2017: 77,260

Number of blacks who died from cancer in 2019: 73,030

Number of blacks shot to death by police in 2019: 235

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

hong kong flu: 1 million dead in 1967-68. we didn't wear mask, or stop businesses from running. hit the elderly hard too. no politician got blamed for it.

Originally Posted by sportfisherman

That was a million dead in US ?

I don't think so.

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

about 50,000 in the US. Mostly old folks. Vaccine in just 4 months.

If y'all had not waged a phony war in Vietnam, the US would have been free of that Flu. Returning US Soldiers were the viral source in America.

it was world wide.



US deaths was between 34,000 to 100,000.

[Grace Preston]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Yes, BLM is misguided. Which of the following do you believe should concern us most? Which should we be working the hardest to improve?

Number of black children under age 6 living in poverty, 2019: 3,054,000 (45.8%)

Probability a black boy born today can be expected to be sentenced to prison: 1 out of 3

Median black household income as a % of median white household income, 2019: 59.7%

Black high school graduation rate, 2017: 67% (compare to 93% for whites)

Life expectancy for blacks, 2018: 75 years (compare to 78.6 years for whites, 81.9 years for hispanics, and 86.3 years for Asians)

Number of blacks who died from heart disease in 2017: 77,260

Number of blacks who died from cancer in 2019: 73,030

Number of blacks shot to death by police in 2019: 235

Which should we worry about the most? Education. But black graduation rate isn't enough. Where I live, the predominantly black schools are also the worst schools, both in terms of graduation rate-- AND in quality of education. A great example is the worst high school in Cincinnati. All students in grade 11 take the ACT every year. The school went 4 years without a single person getting a "college ready" score (19). Yet-- there are plenty in the same school with a 3.0 or better GPA. They've dumbed down the curriculum just so they can shuffle the kids out-- completely unprepared for much of anything.


An educated populace is far less likely to become a criminal populace. Fixing education would make it easier to fix the poverty, fix the wage gap, and fix the incarceration rate. Studies also show that a black person with a college degree is also far more likely to stay in a nuclear family-- further helping the cycle.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by Tiny

The Census Bureau reported median household income for 2019 a couple of weeks ago.

Please note that "median" doesn't mean the same as average. It means the middle number. Fifty percent of American households in 2019 made less than the median income and fifty percent made more. So this number is very representative of how the middle class is faring.

The 2019 figure is striking, $68,703 per household, up 6.8% from 2018. During Obama's entire 8 years in office, coming out of a recession which should have goosed growth and wages, the increase was only 5.8%

This is very good news. The middle class did not do particularly well during the period of time when George W. Bush and Barrack Obama served as presidents. (Aside: I don't place the blame primarily on those two leaders -- there are many other factors that affect income growth besides what the president does or does not do.)

In fact, median household income when Obama left office had barely budged since 1999 and 2000, when the policies of a Republican Congress and President Clinton (welfare reform, a balanced budget, free trade, a lower capital gains tax) helped usher in a golden age. See this chart and click on "Max" for some historical perspective: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N

So what happened? I believe a huge part of the reason for the growth in median household income last year was the Ryan/Trump tax cuts for corporations, and for pass through businesses with lots of employees, in 2017. Trump's deregulation helped as well. Businesses expanded. There was more competition for labor. Unemployment went down. Wages went up.

The Wall Street Journal published a piece on the Census numbers. It wasn't just the middle class that did well:

Poverty fell 1.3 percentage points last year to 10.5%, the lowest level since 1959, and declined more for blacks (2 percentage points), Hispanics (1.8), Asians (2.8), single mothers (2.6), people with a disability (3.2), and no high-school diploma (2.2). The black (18.8%) and Hispanic (15.7%) poverty rates were the lowest in history.

As family household incomes increased, the child poverty rate also declined to 14.4% from 16.2% in 2018 and 18% in 2016. The decline in childhood poverty last year was nearly twice as much as during the entire Obama Presidency. The most pro-family policies are those that increase jobs and wages.

Income inequality last year also declined by most measures as the bottom quintile’s share of income grew 2.4%.

The share of households making less than $15,000 in inflation-adjusted dollars declined to 9.1% last year from 10.4% in 2016 and 11.2% in 2010. At the same time, the share with income between $75,000 and $200,000 increased to 36.1% from 34.4% in 2016 and 32.8% in 2010 while the percentage earning more than $200,000 ticked up to 10.3% from 8% in 2016 and 5.9% in 2010.

In other words, all Americans were gaining economic ground. But lower and middle-class Americans enjoyed the largest gains relative to the Obama Presidency.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-hig...s&page=1&pos=1

Acknowledgements

I want to thank Eccieuser for participating in my series of "For Eccieuser" threads, and for reciprocating with a couple of "For Tiny" threads as well. I am trying to enlarge my audience, and in the hopes that three or four people who are left of center will read this post instead of just one, I have titled it "For Esteemed Posters on the Left", instead of "For Eccieuser."

I would also like to thank some of the posters here who suffer from TES (Trump Enlightenment Syndrome), who showed me that there's a way to put words that start with t, like Tiny and Trump, in tiny text.

Obama handed over to Trump a much better economy than what Bush43 left for Obama. Obama bailed out "Wall Street" by giving 1000 "troubled assets" 625 plus Billion dollars.

The unemployment rate went from 10% down to 4.7% under Obama. Under Trump it has gone down from 4.7% to 3.7%.

With implementing the ACA law 20 million citizens got health insurance. Under Trump people are losing their health insurance.

The GDP growth rates for Obama and Trump and basically the same. Obama and Trump hit 3.0% GDP growth. The difference when Obama did it, it was considered "under performing". When Trump did it, it's considered setting a record.

From Waco Kid's favorite economist Kimberly Amadeo.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

Obama handed over to Trump a much better economy than what Bush43 left for Obama. Obama bailed out "Wall Street" by giving 1000 "troubled assets" 625 plus Billion dollars.

The unemployment rate went from 10% down to 4.7% under Obama. Under Trump it has gone down from 4.7% to 3.7%.

With implementing the ACA law 20 million citizens got health insurance. Under Trump people are losing their health insurance.

The GDP growth rates for Obama and Trump and basically the same. Obama and Trump hit 3.0% GDP growth. The difference when Obama did it, it was considered "under performing". When Trump did it, it's considered setting a record.

From Waco Kid's favorite economist Kimberly Amadeo.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543

frequently, statistics obscure rather than tell, the real story

and yours are a case in point

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

frequently, statistics obscure rather than tell, the real story

and yours are a case in point

If Obama turned over to Trump the same Economy that Bush43 handed to Obama, then you you would have to something to write about. Obama cleaned up the mess that your other hero left behind.


https://www.history.com/topics/21st-...relief-program