Your thoughts on the Saliva HIV testing kit

[Chica Chaser]

Originally Posted by bbeeaarr

1. I would wory that this would put more pressure on providers to provide more BB activities. My thinking exactly! And if the guy is clipped...why not? It would remove many of those age-old arguments. (Not advocating this, just throwing it on the table)

2. Yes I would take it, I would prefer she did too. There would be no prefer about it. I would do it together or not at all.

3. As far as the 20 min goes you could sit on the couch and make-out like teenagers, sounds like fun. And swap all that HIV-laden spit? Ewwww! LOL!

Originally Posted by IDMT

I'd have absolutely no problem taking one.

Upon a little reflection, neither would I. If Walgreens sold these things, it might become a staple to bring to an appt.

Very good points everyone!

[incognito isis]

Originally Posted by Chica Chaser

True, or the ladies result for that matter! What if the client required the lady to clear testing before BCD activities? There are concerns on both sides of this fence.

Theoretically this is a good idea but in practice I have concerns. I'm curious about false positives, test accuracy, how many ways someone could fuck up/rig the test, etc.

I am much more curious about the everyday STD's testing. In the real world your chances of exposure to HIV/AIDS are considerably less than to STD's

Chica Chaser, very good points. But HIV is the one STD that results in death. Where the others can be cured with treatment (with the exception of herpes).

p.s. very cute avatar (is that a st. bernard?)

[Chica Chaser]

Isis, couple points here. First HIV is not necessarily a death sentence anymore. But it is still something to stay way away from, of course! Second, since the regular STD's are so much more prevalent and common, aren't those the one that we should be focused on and worried about? Just because they can be treated, who wants to go through a treatment regimen for something mostly preventable?

[incognito isis]

I certianly do not want to get ANY std's. I'm not saying we shouldn't worry about the other stuff going around. We all worry about them, so we use condoms and hope for the best. I agree with you, there are other STD's out there.
Also, HIV is not a death sentence anymore, very true. I mean, some people are living 30 years with it now. (advocates: rebekkah armstrong & Bob Bowers among others)

However, it's still out there and it's still a real concern and threat that we have to deal with. I do not think that you can compare the treatment to syphlis/chlamidia to the lifelong treatment and battle one has to go thru with HIV. They are in no way comparable. Treatment for HIV is no walk in the park. May I suggest you rent: The Fire Within by the advocate I mentioned above, Bob Bowers.

[Chica Chaser]

Originally Posted by incognito isis

We all worry about them, so we use condoms and hope for the best. I agree with you, there are other STD's out there.

And there lies my point, we shouldn't have to just hope for the best! The thread is about pre-screening any health issues out pre-session. If a 20 minute test could eliminate all of the concerns for both parties, I would be in favor of it.
I thinks its a pipe dream but an intriguing thought process nonetheless. Especially thinking how it could change standard operating procedures that we all live with now.

I am actually quite familiar with HIV and its treatment and the advances that have been made over the years. I had a personal friend succumb to it years ago so its always been an interest it me.

[TexTushHog]

Originally Posted by bbeeaarr

1. I would wory that this would put more pressure on providers to provide more BB activities.

The very thing that I thought about when I read the post. You've got the kit, the client thinks a second and say, "Sure, I'm really a big advocate of safety. I'd like you to take one, too. Just to make me more comfortable." You agree. You both come back negative. Suddenly his tone changes and says, "OK, how much more for no rubber?"

[incognito isis]

[quote=Chica Chaser;1118337]And there lies my point, we shouldn't have to just hope for the best!

Right, and thats why I started this thread about additional methods clients/providers can do to protect themselves. I was curious about what people are willing/not willing to do for safety, because no matter what the risk is out there.

[incognito isis]

Oh, and, when a provider does BBBJ with a client, not knowing his status, she is in fact "hoping for the best" even with the risks being somewhat low. You still "hope" the risk factor won't affect you, and you will walk away unscathed.

[Naomi4u]

The risks aren't that low.

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Yes, it is possible for either partner to become infected with HIV through performing or receiving oral sex, though it is a less common mode of transmission than other sexual behaviors (anal and vaginal sex). There have been a few cases of HIV transmission from performing oral sex on a person infected with HIV. While no one knows exactly what the degree of risk is, evidence suggests that the risk is less than that of unprotected anal or vaginal sex.

If the person performing oral sex has HIV, blood from their mouth may enter the body of the person receiving oral sex through

the lining of the urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis);
the lining of the vagina or cervix;
the lining of the anus; or
directly into the body through small cuts or open sores.
If the person receiving oral sex has HIV, their blood, semen (cum), pre-seminal fluid (pre-cum), or vaginal fluid may contain the virus. Cells lining the mouth of the person performing oral sex may allow HIV to enter their body.

The risk of HIV transmission increases

if the person performing oral sex has cuts or sores around or in their mouth or throat;
if the person receiving oral sex ejaculates in the mouth of the person performing oral sex; or
if the person receiving oral sex has another sexually transmitted disease (STD).
Not having (abstaining from) sex is the most effective way to avoid HIV.

If you choose to perform oral sex, and your partner is male,

use a latex condom on the penis; or
if you or your partner is allergic to latex, plastic (polyurethane) condoms can be used.
Studies have shown that latex condoms are very effective, though not perfect, in preventing HIV transmission when used correctly and consistently. If either partner is allergic to latex, plastic (polyurethane) condoms for either the male or female can be used. For more information about latex condoms, see "Male Latex Condoms and Sexually Transmitted Diseases."

If you choose to have oral sex, and your partner is female,

use a latex barrier (such as a natural rubber latex sheet, a dental dam, or a cut-open condom that makes a square) between your mouth and the vagina. A latex barrier such as a dental dam reduces the risk of blood or vaginal fluids entering your mouth. Plastic food wrap also can be used as a barrier.
If you choose to perform oral sex with either a male or female partner and this sex includes oral contact with your partners anus (analingus or rimming),

use a latex barrier (such as a natural rubber latex sheet, a dental dam, or a cut-open condom that makes a square) between your mouth and the anus. Plastic food wrap also can be used as a barrier.
If you would like more information or have personal concerns, call CDC-INFO 24 Hours/Day at 1-800-CDC-INFO (232-4636), 1-888-232-6348 (TTY), in English, en Español.
Source: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/transmission.htm

[acp5762]

Originally Posted by gimme_that

Smart yes, fesible business wise probably not.it would be time consuming I'm sure. Then some providers wouldn't want to take a test on the reverse. I know if I was to take a saliva test, why spare expense and time for he to take one too. And I'm sure some providers probably wouldn't be overly entertaining or social for those 30 minutes or so she's waiting for the results.

To me it's interesting that you post this. Lets just say there is a reliable inexpensive test that providers can obtain and get immediate results that they and the client can trust. It would no doubt be a source of peace of mind for both parties involved and I couldn't imagine any client refusing to partake in such a saftey precaution. Now on the flip side there would still be illegalities associated with Escorts. But sadly a guy or girl can pick someone up in a bar and engage in some degree of unsafe sex and contract some sort of STD or worse HIV. Legal as hell. Well 30.00 a test is a small price for the peace of mind and maybe a little less restricted encounter.

[incognito isis]

Naomi, using a condom for BJ is not acceptable in this biz, or it is becoming increasingly unnacceptable. More and more clients are demanding BBBJ, and if no BBBJ is offered they tell the world. I mean, look around at some of the avatars. Some have pictures of "anti-cbj" slogans and such. Bottom line, guys don't want CBJ. So us providers as agreed above by chica chaser and myself "shouldn't have to just hope for the best" yet in reality thats exactly what we are doing. We provide, and "hope" the best for the situation. We "hope" we won't catch anything. But there are zero guarentees.....

I myself, am interested in methods in which the community can protect themselves and remain safer and reduce the risk. I predict, and I hope I am wrong, that with the increase for demand of BBBJ, we will see increasing numbers of infections that go along with it. Again, I am no doctor, and I hope I am wrong. Sure HIV is not the only infection out there. But out of all of them, it is the worse.

I remember reading about an older provider who stated that back in the 80's and thru out the 90's ALL providers did CBJ. They banded together and all agreed, for their protection, none would do BBBJ. It worked for awhile......

But now, times have changed. HIV isn't "the death sentence it used to be." Fear is down. The economy is down. Greed is up. Use of the internet is up. Reviews rule. Maybe someday something will come along, and protect us providers more....as long as BBBJ remains so sought after. Hey, one can only "hope."

[Naomi4u]

I'm all for the at home test but like other posters stated, I see how it could make people think that BBFS is ok and It's not.

[gimme_that]

Also let's say a provider got a positive reading for hiv.......would you feel obligated to ppost alerts about it as a hobbyist or provider. Usually this type of action is discuraged from being done on boa even if its true. Most times information like that is passed backchannel or through word of mouth......but I could easily see this being an issue if it arises.

Maybe they can add it as an option on p411...."Rapid home HIV test enabled?"

[incognito isis]

Originally Posted by gimme_that

Also let's say a provider got a positive reading for hiv.......would you feel obligated to ppost alerts about it as a hobbyist or provider. Usually this type of action is discuraged from being done on boa even if its true. Most times information like that is passed backchannel or through word of mouth......but I could easily see this being an issue if it arises.

Maybe they can add it as an option on p411...."Rapid home HIV test enabled?"

If a woman has HIV, she shouldn't be in this biz

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by incognito isis

If a woman has HIV, she shouldn't be in this biz