union dues

[nevergaveitathought]

no longer can union bosses extract dues or fee from non-consenting workers

the parasitic relationship between the dims and public unions has had the smallest of tentacles severed

[bambino]

Winning.

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

no longer can union bosses extract dues or fee from non-consenting workers

the parasitic relationship between the dims and public unions has had the smallest of tentacles severed

This probably sent a big a shudder through the DNC.

[nevergaveitathought]

the swing vote is no more

kennedy announced his retirement

the country was saved by trump beating clinton

[bambino]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

the swing vote is no more

kennedy announced his retirement

the country was saved by trump beating clinton

Yep, mission accomplished. Everything else is gravy. And it’s a lot of good gravy!

[The_Waco_Kid]

let's celebrate with a song, shall we?







bahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[The_Waco_Kid]

to the point of the OP's post, Unions are a passe concept, have been for decades. back in the early 20th century, they were needed, when companies like Ford did had oppressive labor practices.

that was fixed by Labor Laws, and the role of unions became a political tool. for decades, Unions used their membership dues to endorse candidates that their membership did not agree with.

now that has ended, as it should be. Unions drive up costs for business. Unions, particularly the UAW, broke the US auto industry. it was noted that GM had to add upwards of 2,000 to each car made due to Union concessions. is it any wonder that US car makers became noncompetitive against foreign competition?

when i worked for McLane Co., this was after Drayton McLane had sold the company to his tennis buddy, Sam Walton. you may have heard of him yeah?

anyway, there still existed what we called "Draytonisms" lol. before i get to his firm dislike of Unions, and remember McLane is primarily a trucking company, with warehouses all over the US, both prime for unionization, here is a list of "Draytonisms" ..

1) only one family photo on your desk.
2) do not have a messy desk
3) you can't travel on company time for company business.
this one takes some explaining, because it seems a contradiction. more about Unions later ..
what this means is .. if you have an 11 am meeting at Longmont, CO distribution center, you could not fly to Longmont from Temple, Tx during business hours for the meeting.

so, that means you had to fly before 8 am to get to Longmont, by 8 am local time, then you worked at a guest desk till your meeting at 11:00 am. then you worked the rest of the day till 5 pm. then you flew back to Temple. that is the "Drayton Travel Rule".

and yes, McLane has a corporate Lear jet. but you couldn't use it during business hours.

So, Drayton once broke his own rule and used the Lear Jet during business hours. Why?
he got word that Longmont, CO was having a Union vote later that day. which he could not, by law, block. Well, he blocked it. How? when he heard of the vote, he fired up the Lear jet, flew to Longmont, held a "all hands" meeting 30 minutes before the Union rep's planned their own meeting/vote, and said this ..

"I understand there will be a Union vote today. if you vote pro union, i will close Longmont and move it to Nebraska. Thank you".

and the union rep's were there to hear this. bahahaaa

and he then left. took about 30 seconds. the vote FAILED.

not a damn thing the union rep's could do.

McLane today, a 50 Billion dollar company, has no unions.

bahahahahaaaaaa

so tell me you can't block a Union vote?

[dj8rocks]

Waco, I just skimmed over your post. There is one grievous error that you claimed about the unions using members dues to endorse candidates. By federal law, that is illegal. The only portion that can be used for that is a separate voluntary fund that memebers are allowed to contribute to. It’s called a COPE fund. No regular dues are used for political campaigns or PAC’s

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by dj8rocks

Waco, I just skimmed over your post. There is one grievous error that you claimed about the unions using members dues to endorse candidates. By federal law, that is illegal. The only portion that can be used for that is a separate voluntary fund that memebers are allowed to contribute to. It’s called a COPE fund. No regular dues are used for political campaigns or PAC’s

do they or do they not use any or some portion of union dues to make political endorsements/contributions?

just answer yes and be done with it.

and the Union leadership decides without any member vote, who the Union will endorse. so those who volunteer any dues, get no choice as to whom the Union endorses.

now tell me Union endorsements are not highly sought after by candidates?

thank you for replying.

[dj8rocks]

As you stated though, the NLRB has made general working conditions better for the overall worker. And in the early 20th century, there were some seriously corrupt unions, particularly in the northeast. Now with all the regulations from the IRS and the DOL, finances are scrutinized much more strictly. Now the unions primary role is to bargain fair wages, benefits and general working conditions. The unionized corporations are actually what helps the non union corporations maintain competitive salaries and benefit packages just for the mere fact that without being competitive, their workforce pool will be non exsistent

[dj8rocks]

They DO NOT use any portion of the regular dues for any political purposes. That is a completely separate fund that workers can volunteer as much as they wish to that fund. As stated, it’s called a COPE fund

[dj8rocks]

But yes to a portion. The union does decide who they are going to endorse based on the candidates past voting history. If the member doesn’t like the candidate being endorsed, they simply choose not to contribute to that fund

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by dj8rocks

As you stated though, the NLRB has made general working conditions better for the overall worker. And in the early 20th century, there were some seriously corrupt unions, particularly in the northeast. Now with all the regulations from the IRS and the DOL, finances are scrutinized much more strictly. Now the unions primary role is to bargain fair wages, benefits and general working conditions. The unionized corporations are actually what helps the non union corporations maintain competitive salaries and benefit packages just for the mere fact that without being competitive, their workforce pool will be non exsistent

so your answer is "YES", unions do use some of the membership's dues to endorse/contribute to candidates the membership cannot vote on.

thanks for confirming that.

Unions are passe, corrupt and a hindrance to Business in modern times.

market forces determine wages and Unions artificially attempt to "fix" wages against the market norms.

[dj8rocks]

Read the posts. A members dues are a completely separate fund that operates the day to day operation of the union. The political contributions are a SEPARATE VOLUNTARY fund that is deducted separately from the regular monthly dues. Is that clear enough for you now ?

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by dj8rocks

Read the posts. A members dues are a completely separate fund that operates the day to day operation of the union. The political contributions are a SEPARATE VOLUNTARY fund that is deducted separately from the regular monthly dues. Is that clear enough for you now ?

read what? if they volunteer money, they get no say as to how it is used.

let's talk about strike funds. Unions always pay short shrift to their members on strike funds, yet implore their members to strike. what happens when the funds from these rich Unions run out? the members get fucked. the Union leadership still get their salaries.

Labor laws made Unions passe decades ago. market forces control wages and Unions attempt to "fix" those wages to artificially high wages. this is an unfair burden on businesses that are unionized.


and Unions block the firing of losers. look at the Teacher's unions alone.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...e-regulations/


https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...workers-rights