Trump hearings

[VitaMan]

There’s a reason Fox News didn’t want to air this prime-time hearing. What we saw was the truth about January 6 showcased with captivating effectiveness.


What happened on that day was not a “tourist visit,” as Republican Rep. Andrew Clyde (GA) claimed. It was not “legitimate political discourse,” as the RNC argued. It was not a “love fest” as Donald Trump delusionally declared. And the responsibility for this does not fall on "everybody in the country," as Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) asserted just hours before tonight’s hearing. This was a violent, criminal conspiracy to overthrow American democracy perpetrated by Donald Trump, his allies, and domestic extremist groups. Or, to put it as simply as Chairman Bennie Thomson (D-MS) did, January 6 was "the culmination of an attempted coup" — an attempted coup that’s far from over.


“I did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen... which I told the president was bulls**t,” Donald Trump’s former Attorney General William Barr’s voice reverberated throughout the committee hearing chamber. "I respect Attorney General Barr, so I accepted what he was saying," said Ivanka Trump in a subsequent clip. We now know that even Donald Trump’s own daughter doesn’t believe the election was stolen.


This was thanks to evidence presented tonight by Vice-Chairwoman Committee Liz Cheney (R-WY). Cheney laid out how, over the course of the hearings this month, the committee will unravel Trump’s seven-part plan to overturn the presidential election. While the target audience tonight was very clearly the American people, much of what was covered seemed like it was directed at an audience of one: Attorney General Merrick Garland.


Cheney showcased clip after clip of testimony from Trump aides, from Jason Miller to William Barr to Ivanka Trump, where it was made clear Trump was told he lost. That testimony proved Trump was well aware the election wasn’t stolen but tried to overturn the results anyway. The committee likely led with this to demonstrate corrupt intent on the part of Trump, which would be key to a criminal case.


If you had any doubt remaining about whether the January 6 Committee believes Donald Trump engaged in criminal conduct, the number of times Cheney said "illegal" should rectify that. Cheney spoke about Trump’s "relentless effort" to pressure Mike Pence to overturn the election, stating, "What President Trump demanded that Mike Pence do wasn’t just wrong, it was illegal and unconstitutional."


Cheney also cited District Judge David Carter’s ruling which stated that Trump “more likely than not” committed obstruction and conspiracy in his bid to obstruct Congress’s ability to count the electoral votes in the 2020 election. The committee also plans to break down how Trump pressured state officials to overturn the election, including via the fake elector scheme. Cheney claimed that multiple Republican Congresspeople, including Rep. Scott Perry (R-PA), sought pardons for their roles in the effort to overturn the 2020 election.


Aside from the very intentional effort to outline a criminal case, there were some purely shocking revelations. Cheney claimed that a witness told the January 6 Committee that in response to “Hang Mike Pence” chants from insurrectionists, Trump said: "Maybe our supporters have the right idea. Mike Pence deserves it."


Shortly after this, riveting new footage showed the entire Capitol siege in chronological order from multiple angles. Clips weaved together showed one overarching narrative. If any American forgot how violent the insurrection was and how close our democracy came to collapse, they were reminded tonight.


Then we had short testimony from two witnesses. Nick Quested, a documentary filmmaker who followed the Proud Boys in the days leading up to January 6, and Caroline Edwards, who was one of the first officers to be injured on January 6, testified about their experience.


The committee showed testimony from Proud Boys claiming that Donald Trump’s September 29, 2020 "stand back and stand by" comments increased membership. They showed that Trump’s December 19, 2020, tweet calling for people to come to the Capitol on January 6 spurred a strong reaction from the extremist group. Members of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers are now charged with seditious conspiracy in connection with the attack. Putting a spotlight on these links between domestic extremist groups who plotted the violence on January 6 and Trump himself was the focus of the last hour.


This was an excellent first hearing. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to not include Trump sycophants like Rep. Jim Banks (R-IN) and Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) on the committee has proved worthwhile. There were no belligerent tirades or disinformation-filled deflections. Just the facts.


With hearings scheduled throughout the rest of this month, there are certainly more shoes to drop. What I’m most looking forward to is the final outcome: the recommendations on what should be done. Will they recommend charges for Donald Trump or simply lay out their findings like Special Counsel Robert Mueller? Will they make legislative suggestions to address the ongoing assaults on democracy?


In the weeks leading up to tonight’s hearing, Trump has reportedly been obsessing over it, organizing his allies for counter-messaging. If there’s one thing Trump understands more than most, it’s the power of compelling television. This is why he was so fearful of the January 6 hearings. After 11 months of work obtaining over 1,000 interviews and reviewing over 140,000 documents, tonight the January 6 Committee proved Trump’s fear is justified.


If any Trump allies did happen to tune in tonight, I hope they heard what Liz Cheney said to them: "There will come a day when Donald Trump is gone, but your dishonor will remain."

[Trumptester]

Trump cant here any thing he does all the talking.

[Salty Again]

.... THAT - was a Hearing??! ... ... ...

... The American people surely heard them loud and clear:

SKY-HIGH Inflation and Energy prices surely gonna continue.
America is under-going a great grand "transition"...

### Salty

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

.... THAT - was a Hearing??! ... ... ...

... The American people surely heard them loud and clear:

SKY-HIGH Inflation and Energy prices surely gonna continue.
America is under-going a great grand "transition"...

### Salty

Your Trump defense is to deflect and discuss inflation. Your peragotive, but it underscores that your Hero tried to steal an election, and summoned Right-wing crazies to help. He wanted to hang his own Vice President for not going along with his illegal scheme. Even today he tweeted that Bill Barr ''sucked''. How fucking childish and embarrassing.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Your Trump defense is to deflect and discuss inflation. Your peragotive, but it underscores that your Hero tried to steal an election, and summoned Right-wing crazies to help. He wanted to hang his own Vice President for not going along with his illegal scheme. Even today he tweeted that Bill Barr ''sucked''. How fucking childish and embarrassing.

nonsense. how many false claims can you make in one paragraph? quite a few it seems. Trump never incited anything, never told anyone to hang Pence. he didn't summon a mob. he gave a speech. what happened after was not encouraged by Trump.


you do recall that he tweeted for the crowd not to be violent and leave and what does twittybird do? deleted it. brilliant! you also know that Trump did authorize call-up of the national guard a few days earlier in case protest did happen and guess who declined to use them? Pelosi and the DC police chief. these are facts jack!


and byw what's up with all this micro-ban bullshit?

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

nonsense. how many false claims can you make in one paragraph? quite a few it seems. Trump never incited anything, never told anyone to hang Pence. he didn't summon a mob. he gave a speech. what happened after was not encouraged by Trump.


you do recall that he tweeted for the crowd not to be violent and leave and what does twittybird do? deleted it. brilliant! you also know that Trump did authorize call-up of the national guard a few days earlier in case protest did happen and guess who declined to use them? Pelosi and the DC police chief. these are facts jack!


and byw what's up with all this micro-ban bullshit?

He gathered the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers to D.C. I didn't say he told anyone to hang Pence, He said Pence should be hung. You like to parse words, but it doesn't work on me. You should have learned that in the Church shooter thread. I think Trump encouraged the Mob.. You don't. Levianon thinks it was a peaceful protest.

I know Trump authorized the Guard. You are saying the Mob could have been stopped, blaming the Democrats (I guess) for not stopping the crime BEFORE it happened. Which is funny as fuck, that was my position on the Church Shooter. Stop him before he acts. But you argued for days against my view.

Why would there have needed to be more Capitol security upfront? Because just like the Fort Worth Church Murderer, there was much EVIDENCE that a major crime was imminent. You take that position here, to absolve Trump, but you whined for days that I was impeding the Church Murderer's ''Liberty'' and ''rights''.

Bwahahahahahaha!

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

He gathered the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers to D.C. I didn't say he told anyone to hang Pence, He said Pence should be hung. You like to parse words, but it doesn't work on me. You should have learned that in the Church shooter thread. I think Trump encouraged the Mob.. You don't. Levianon thinks it was a peaceful protest.

I know Trump authorized the Guard. You are saying the Mob could have been stopped, blaming the Democrats (I guess) for not stopping the crime BEFORE it happened. Which is funny as fuck, that was my position on the Church Shooter. Stop him before he acts. But you argued for days against my view.

Why would there have needed to be more Capitol security upfront? Because just like the Fort Worth Church Murderer, there was much EVIDENCE that a major crime was imminent. You take that position here, to absolve Trump, but you whined for days that I was impeding the Church Murderer's ''Liberty'' and ''rights''.

Bwahahahahahaha!

aren't you always jabbering about stopping crime before it happens? yes u are. it fell to Pelosi to allow the DC police to bring them in. everyone knew there might be a protest. you once again contradict yerself. ther was no foretelling what the asshole in Ft. Worth was going to do. there was about the rally.


Trump didn't summon the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers to come. he encouraged his supporters to come.


who did Trump say Pence should be hanged to?? the crowd? you know he didn't. so who did he say that to? tell me.

[The_Waco_Kid]

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

There’s a reason Fox News didn’t want to air this prime-time hearing. What we saw was the truth about January 6 showcased with captivating effectiveness.


This was an excellent first hearing. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to not include Trump sycophants like Rep. Jim Banks (R-IN) and Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) on the committee has proved worthwhile. There were no belligerent tirades or disinformation-filled deflections. Just the facts.


With hearings scheduled throughout the rest of this month, there are certainly more shoes to drop. What I’m most looking forward to is the final outcome: the recommendations on what should be done.


If any Trump allies did happen to tune in tonight, I hope they heard what Liz Cheney said to them: "There will come a day when Donald Trump is gone, but your dishonor will remain."

I completely disagree with your assessment of the hearings. I have to say it, Benny Thompson's opening was a dud. His syntax and diction fell short of effective.

Lizzy though, stole the show. Your last bold statement made the point why no partisan hacks, lapdogs like Jim pedophile peddler Jordan or pedophile Congressman Matt Gaetz, should have been on the committee.

[Chung Tran]

Waco is such an easy foil.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ittee-1365784/

[eccieuser9500]

An idiot in charge of the Executive branch who doesn't care about the law?

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Waco is such an easy foil.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ittee-1365784/

you do know that disproves your claim Trump told the crowd to hang pence, right?


you should always think before you post.


on second thought don't. you are more fun being stupid.

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

He wanted to hang his own Vice President

I didn't say Trump told the crowd to hang Pence. Can you fucking read?

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

I didn't say Trump told the crowd to hang Pence. Can you fucking read?

so you admit Trump didn't incite any violence thanks for clearing that up

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

so you admit Trump didn't incite any violence thanks for clearing that up

No I don't. I said he didn't tell the crowd to hang Pence.

You are going on ignore. You deliberately parse every God Damn thing I post, lie about what I say and think. For sport and amusement. You are not interested in real debate and discussion.