If You Overvalued Your Assets You Can't Be Mad When No One Will Give You Money Against Them

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by Tiny

With respect to Letitia James' claims, exactly how were the people of New York defrauded?



What difference does it make who was attorney general when the law was passed, whether he was a Republican or Democrat? The law sucks:

If you read the court document, the people of NY are included with James. To answer any further, I would need you to change the parameters of your question so as to address it.

You are right, doesn't make a difference what party AG is. For a law that sucks, it have been used for a few cases for the duration it has been on the books. If it was so suck ass, you'd think it would have been repealed by now.

[1blackman1]

Tiny would do well to rail against DWI and speeding laws to the extent he is complaining about Trump’s victimless whining.

[Jackie S]

After all of this pontificating, it still goes back to the 8th and 14th Amendments.

I personally don’t think James and the Judge considered this.

What will be a real kicker is if the Majority Opinion, The Court rebukes both James and the Judge for letting political reasons interfere with deciding what the punishment should be in this case.

This will leave the door open for Trump to bring a Civil Rights action against both to the tune of about $800 million.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

After all of this pontificating, it still goes back to the 8th and 14th Amendments.

I personally don’t think James and the Judge considered this.

What will be a real kicker is if the Majority Opinion, The Court rebukes both James and the Judge for letting political reasons interfere with deciding what the punishment should be in this case.

This will leave the door open for Trump to bring a Civil Rights action against both to the tune of about $800 million.

When you reference the 8th amendment I’m presuming you are referring to the bit about excessive fines. Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

The problem of course is what defines “excessive “. Presumably Judge Engoron used legal precedent when assigning restitution and fines including interest. If the reasoning used is incorrect or if the appeals court decides to change the precedent then Trump may win his appeal. However you just can’t say it’s excessive because of the figure. There has to be a procedural error that occurred or the precedent guiding the calculation of restitution and fines must be considered unconstitutional and then changed. He will still be found guilty of the charges and still have to provide restitution and fines. Just maybe a different figure.

[VitaMan]

There is no chance at all the 8th amendment will save Mr. Trump from turning over a large portion of his assets because of the fraud he has perpetrated for decades.


If some posters can't understand a judgement can be made without a "victim", they need to spend their time studying how laws work.

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

There is no chance at all the 8th amendment will save Mr. Trump from turning over a large portion of his assets because of the fraud he has perpetrated for decades.


If some posters can't understand a judgement can be made without a "victim", they need to spend their time studying how laws work.

Some posters can not understand that the Bill of Rights is part of the Constitution and is the Supreme Law of the Land. These first 10 Amendments, and subsequent ones, were put in place to protect all citizens from over zealous prosecution and vindictive practices carried out by Government Officials designed to destroy individuals in manners far beyond what is prescribed by common law.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

Some posters can not understand that the Bill of Rights is part of the Constitution and is the Supreme Law of the Land. These first 10 Amendments, and subsequent ones, were put in place to protect all citizens from over zealous prosecution and vindictive practices carried out by Government Officials designed to destroy individuals in manners far beyond what is prescribed by common law.

It seems that we’ve gone round and round over this. Maybe I am not understanding what exactly you are saying here. Please explain exactly how the 8th and 14th amendment is going to “save” Trump.

From my perspective I just don’t see it. He’s been found guilty all we’re arguing about now seems to be the amount of the restitution and penalties. What exactly is he going to argue in his appeal?

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

Some posters can not understand that the Bill of Rights is part of the Constitution and is the Supreme Law of the Land. These first 10 Amendments, and subsequent ones, were put in place to protect all citizens from over zealous prosecution and vindictive practices carried out by Government Officials designed to destroy individuals in manners far beyond what is prescribed by common law.

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

It seems that we’ve gone round and round over this. Maybe I am not understanding what exactly you are saying here. Please explain exactly how the 8th and 14th amendment is going to “save” Trump.

From my perspective I just don’t see it. He’s been found guilty all we’re arguing about now seems to be the amount of the restitution and penalties. What exactly is he going to argue in his appeal?

Well, if Jackie is correct about such, just another example of the stupid consul donny gets at bargain basement prices. Hell, that is even if he pays his lawyers.... you get what you pay for.

[VitaMan]

Maybe they are hoping the 8th amendment will help Trump to show he is a smaller crook.

He over valued his assets for decades to get money. Those are the facts. He has been found guilty.

The only item left is how much he will end up forfeiting due to his fraud.

[Tsmokies]

The orange clown has no mushroom to stand on and tomorrow sb hammer time. They will touch this

Megas need to send him all of their money. Then he would have 1/2 of 1%. Billionaire my ass. A person would have to be an admitted stupid dumbass to support that felon

[Precious_b]

tick tick tick tick

[Jackie S]

“S” day approaches.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

“S” day approaches.

... It's HERE! ... ... :

... I've been as quiet as a church-house mouse
about things, to see just how arse-over-tit the liberal
lads might get.

... I surely got a feelin' that this situation aint
gonna go the way Letita James believes it will.

#### Salty

[Salty Again]

... Crikey! ... Aint THAT a kick in the head!

Hmmmm... Wonder if you're a Judge - and you over-value your
appeal-bond? ... Reckon it will GET REDUCED! ...

#### Salty

[1blackman1]

Folks on the right are slower than turtles and sloths