Indy’s dead for good?

[bambino]

Originally Posted by tolstoy

I think the reviews on Indys were the same as the reviews on ASPD circa 2004. 9 out of 10 of them were positive reinforcement reviews of the "I had a great time! She is great!" variety. And 1 in 10 would become controversial and contentious in some way.....

Yes, providers could not respond to their own reviews on ASPD, and providers could respond to their own reviews on Indys. What do I think about that? Who.....CARES if Indys providers could respond to their own reviews. Many providers revealed/confirmed much about themselves by responding. Many providers I concluded "She handled that well. Seems like she has a good head on her shoulders." Other providers confirmed they were Not professional by the way they responded to negative reviews.....

Some providers understand and others do not understand that guys are interested in the "trends" in a providers press, not just one review. Within a few or a ten reviews of a new provider I knew if a provider was a Pro Ho or not. And reviews were Less Relevant than Guys Room intel and also guy-to-guy intel from hobbyists who like the same "type" of providers. Again, I think the reviews on Indys were basically the same as the reviews on ASPD circa 2004. And I did not CARE if Indys providers could respond to them. You know that created some entertaining reading.....

I was probably not as "diplomatic" with Berry Berry as Double Secret Sam I Am was, so I now apologize to Berry Berry and others who seem to have some "involved" perspective on the old Indys reviews. Nothing wrong with "over-analyzing" things, I do that myself often. I thought Berry Berry got a little personal with me here by vaguely referring to some comment I made about Eccie on Indys. I don't even know what that comment is, so I asked him to summarize it here. Any sort of comment about Eccie and it's blackout a couple months back applies to Indys too because they both went dark around the same time. I don't know what "dissing" of Eccie of mine Berry Berry referred to, and I overreacted. So I apologize to Berry Berry for that.....

THIS might happen: if the new Indys will really be a No Forums, Twitter type board then (very curiously) Eccie might be the new ASPD circa 2004. Plenty of PGH hobbyists, lots of PGH providers ads, new provider reviews seemingly every day. Lot's of "varied" content on ASPD circa 2004, much of it informative, much of it contentious. And then the Texas mods started locking threads too early and banning PGH hobbyists for specious reasons. So guys flocked to Indys starting in 2005.....

By the end of 2006 there were (yes) only a handful of Never-Indys guys on ASPD. After 2005 really the only active forum there was the DMZ and that was less than 10 politics junkies. Indys sapped all the energy and "personalities" out of the old ASPD, and QUICK.....

Will Eccie attract some Indys personalities? As our mod said very accurately in this thread: it's all about what vibe (my word) the regular, active members on Eccie (like you, me and Berry Berry for instance) create on Eccie. If it's just a bunch of guys complaining about Indys then people won't come over. (Or maybe they will come over to read that?) And, yes, I get your point that you and Berry Berry and others are not "bitching" about Indys reviews, just sharing your thoughts on them. So I apologize to Berry Berry for overreacting to his comment to me.....,

Eccie needs more veteran, experienced, humorous PGH hobby-people posting on it. For years it has been the same dozen or so guys and the same half-dozen or so providers posting, and often bickering with each other. Will Eccie attract Indys personalities? If Indys is really a No Forums board now then that might happen. Or it won't happen.....

Sometimes Tolstoy you’re just full of shit. There are lots of Hobbyists posting here that you never heard of. It was Indy’s that had the same guys posting. And they didn’t have a sense of humor. There’s a far more diverse crowd here. And you’re not inundated with political threads here. The Stump really pissed a lot of people off on Indy’s. If you really are interested in being a relavant and contemporary member of the community, start sharing your SA experiences here. Do reviews. Many do SA reviews here. The past is the past. You hash over your opinion of things that are in the rear view mirror. IJS.

[tolstoy]

Originally Posted by Double Secret Sam I Am

FWIW right now Indys is nothing but ads and ISOs. I’m thinking ads will be there and guys room intel will be here. But who knows.

The way new Indys seems to work currently, you can post to “areas” or on your own “wall.” You designate that your posts are “public” “friends only” or only visible to yourself. I don’t understand the utility of posting for your own eyes only. You’re supposed to use hashtags to categorize your post, like #pittsbughads or #iso. Management keeps telling people not to post ads or ISO’s to areas but no one seems to do it “correctly” now. Everyone seems to posting ads and ISO’s to their respective areas with no discussion or intel being shared.

I posted three days ago asking if there will be a guy’s area or if I could restrict a post to just male members. As of yet no response.

I'm a smart guy and I don't understand any of that tech-stuff. Maybe Bambino and BerryBerry can explain it.....

If the new Indys will really be a No Forums board (one of the new mission statements says it won't be a broad forums board ever again) then, yes, Eccie will be the only forums board in PGH. So maybe Eccie will go back to circa 2004 ASPD, with a lot of traffic and reviews and intel, more than it has now.....

Also curious the new Indys might go the way of SA. Guys and girls do business "one on one" and then DON'T publicly report on it. Not if there are no reviews and no Guys Room on the new Indys. SA is all about mostly "private" arrangements with no public reviews. Guys rightly flag the bad SA girls on Eccie, and they did that on the old Indys too. But reasonably SA guys did not publicly "review" their great finds of SA on Eccie or Indys, because as astute SA players Ron32 and others have accurately explained many SA girls want to bang just one (or two, or three, or four) SA guys for money and don't want to be talked about on hooker boards......

WTF? Does the new Indys even have a public reviews section and Guys Room anymore? Planning to have them? Maybe Bambino and BerryBerry can look-into-all-that and let us know what's going on......

[tolstoy]

Originally Posted by bambino

Sometimes Tolstoy you’re just full of shit. There are lots of Hobbyists posting here that you never heard of. It was Indy’s that had the same guys posting. And they didn’t have a sense of humor. There’s a far more diverse crowd here. And you’re not inundated with political threads here. The Stump really pissed a lot of people off on Indy’s. If you really are interested in being a relavant and contemporary member of the community, start sharing your SA experiences here. Do reviews. Many do SA reviews here. The past is the past. You hash over your opinion of things in the rear view mirror. IJS.

I think the same Less-Than-A-Dozen male personalities have posted on Eccie for the past 10 years now. No...Where.....NEAR the traffic that Indys had in it's hey-day from 2005 to arguably 2010. And, indeed, many of that dozen or so guys seem to have some sort of quantum, Personal problem with Indys that goes Beyond their "involved" readings of the Indys reviews and vouch sections. What is your REAL problem with Indys, really? It's more than just about it's reviews and vouch system, right? I think you are pretty well informed about the PGH hobby-community. You seem to have More problems with Indys than just it's (now defunct) reviews and vouch systems.....

Will Eccie now attract more Indys personalities besides the currently, long-time Never Indys guys who have been posting on Eccie for 10 years? Maybe, maybe not. Our mod said in this thread accurately- it's all about what type of "vibe" (my word) Eccie posters create here. Yes- there IS a lot of complaining about Indys on this site. If that continues then maybe Indys people won't come here. Or maybe they WILL come here to read all that contention.....

[Gabrielle]

Hey Tolstoy! Strip club outting soon?

So the owner at indys once said that drama creates more visits to his site. He also abused sex workers. Neither of these surprise me.

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[berryberry]

Originally Posted by tolstoy

Eccie needs more veteran, experienced, humorous PGH hobby-people posting on it. For years it has been the same dozen or so guys and the same half-dozen or so providers posting, and often bickering with each other.

Ummm, no it doesn't. ECCIE in Pittsburgh has done just fine. There are a hell of a lot more than a dozen guys posting here, most of whom only post here. Different sub-forums attract different guys. Some post only in the Encounter Report forum, others post only in the AMP/SPA forum, etc, etc. Guys who want truthful reviews and an exchange of hofo have flocked here over the years. You are really missing the boat if you think there are the same dozen or so guys posting here. Read some other sub-forums than this one

Now, the one thing that has been lacking is the number of providers advertising here. But with the downfall of Indys, that has started to change which is a good thing. And the ladies have hopefully learned to advertise on multiple sites

Originally Posted by tolstoy

Will Eccie attract Indys personalities?

LOL. Most Indy's guys are useless. Don't need any Indy's "personalities". Yep, no need for the fake Aussie or any of those who just posted in the political stump endlessly. If there are some Indy's refugees who want to post truthful reviews, exchange good hofo, etc then hopefully they join. But no need for the typical Indy's bullshit here

[blkstocking]

Originally Posted by Double Secret Sam I Am

In one of these threads, someone else pointed out that the usefulness of any website depends upon the people who use it. That applies to ECCIE and Indys alike. ECCIE doesn’t have as many members who post in Pittsburgh as Indys did in its heyday. There are very few ads posted here. There are very few girls who participate here at all. The guys who do post seem to be interested in girls that I would never be interested in seeing. So ECCIE appears to have a very limited usefulness to me. That doesn’t mean it isn’t useful for others. It just means that I don’t see much used to it. Everyone is different.

Right now, Indys is basically useless. ECCIE appears to be the only game in town.

So there are a lot of great points made in this thread and in the quote above. I'd like to also point out what Morgan said... She was reviewed by someone on ASPD and the rest was history.

In other words, the value here isn't the ads (although that would be nice). The guys here review, post, request info on, or otherwise ask about providers I wouldn't otherwise know about. It was the same thing on ASPD. If you remember, escorts.com was the thing...and USA sex guide. The others didn't have pictures or local forums (BD and TER). So, for local intel it was green and white and blue and white. Then Indys came along. Indys didn't create the Intel or even the community. That was ASPD.

Anyway, its what we make it. The past year I've hobbied about 3 or 4 times a week, some weeks more. This week every day. Sometimes 2 or 3 times in a day, which is back to my 2004-2007 levels. Sometimes I would take a girl home for days...because she wanted to stay. The point is....>> although I have 2 reviews here, I use the info, I use the network and that discovery/discussion is invaluable.

Yeah, this is a ball-busting forum here. Its got more edge than other forums in the past.

[blkstocking]

Originally Posted by tolstoy

I don't remember "dissing ECCIE on TOS when ECCIE went down for a while", really.

And I hope two (2) sites remain in PGH. Not a good thing if one (1) site is the only game in town. That is what ASPD was in 2004. And because the Texas mods banned people and locked threads too quickly PGH people fled to Indys in 2005. Again, when one (1) site thinks it has a "monopoly" on intel exchange in a market like PGH then that is not good....

I thought we "flocked" to Indys because we all got together every week at Roland's anyway and thought it would be cool to have our own site. Am I remembering this wrong? With all these "Old ASPD" guys and "2005 Indys" guys, then some of you had to have been there with me. Shit, I thought only 30 people moved to Indys the first month or two.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by blkstocking

I thought we "flocked" to Indys because we all got together every week at Roland's anyway and thought it would be cool to have our own site. Am I remembering this wrong? With all these "Old ASPD" guys and "2005 Indys" guys, then some of you had to have been there with me. Shit, I thought only 30 people moved to Indys the first month or two.

I went to Indy’s the first month. Not because I was banned from ASPD, I wasn’t. It had galleries and it was another resource. I really don’t recall mass bannings from Texas Mods on ASPD. Maybe I forgot. And yes, Aussie Salt was on ASPD. He posted strip club reviews and the DMZ. Which was the political forum. Steve Par was there too. God rest his soul.

[Charley3]

Originally Posted by Double Secret Sam I Am

I think “talent” left Indys for SA. Most members didn’t post and were there for the “talent”. No “talent” = fewer members generally, especially new members. The Cleveland bust caused more members to leave. It also seemed to make it harder for providers to get verified. I agree Fosta was the final nail in the coffin, but Indys was already a dying site for years. The rebranding of it is intended to revitalize it and maybe it will. But I doubt it.

I never read this site enough to comment on the mods. I agree that internal politics on Indys was messed up, but it always was. I’d think this site more likely to draw attention from the feds because it is way more national in scope than Indys ever was. We will see.

I don’t think talent left Indy’s for SA. A lot of guys left Indy’s for SA. Of course there are traditional escorts on there but it’s overwhelmingly full of girls that would not do traditional escorting.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Charley3

I don’t think talent left Indy’s for SA. A lot of guys left Indy’s for SA. Of course there are traditional escorts on there but it’s overwhelmingly full of girls that would not do traditional escorting.

Correct.

[Double Secret Sam I Am]

Originally Posted by Charley3

I don’t think talent left Indy’s for SA. A lot of guys left Indy’s for SA. Of course there are traditional escorts on there but it’s overwhelmingly full of girls that would not do traditional escorting.

I agree with what you’re saying. I meant girls who would have got their start on Indys otherwise, got their start on SA instead. And you’re correct in saying guys started going to SA for “arrangements” who otherwise would have used Indys. The net effect was Indys being less used generally. There were certainly other factors, and there is no way of knowing which factors were the biggest, but I think SA was a major game changer in the local hobby scene.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Double Secret Sam I Am

I agree with what you’re saying. I meant girls who would have got their start on Indys otherwise, got their start on SA instead. And you’re correct in saying guys started going to SA for “arrangements” who otherwise would have used Indys. The net effect was Indys being less used generally.

Well, when Summertime, Exotic Memories, Elite Tanning and the place by the Airport were going strong. So was Indy’s. Most of the young hotties worked at those places. Most didn’t want to be prostitutes, just a way to make quick cash. I utilized those places more than Indy’s at the time. It was easy and convenient. I did triple headers at Summertime. I was out of control then. But there was variety in a drive thru style convenience. That’s why I don’t think SA hurt Indy’s.

[Ballsindeep]

Well we will have to see how it shakes out but SA is good because if you have game and play it right you will at least make your own way. I don’t care what someone pays and that is what I like about SA its up to you.

Indy’s did provide a safe enviroment in which to escort to those who used it.
I have to wonder if a site without reviews or realtime info or hidden info. Will be able to survive and if anyone will donate after people said they took the money and ran once.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Ballsindeep

Well we will have to see how it shakes out but SA is good because if you have game and play it right you will at least make your own way. I don’t care what someone pays and that is what I like about SA its up to you.

Indy’s did provide a safe enviroment in which to escort to those who used it.
I have to wonder if a site without reviews or realtime info or hidden info. Will be able to survive and if anyone will donate after people said they took the money and ran once.

Indy’s wasn’t a safe environment. Even the last owner got bitchslapped by a green square.

[kodakz]

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