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Old 02-19-2017, 05:31 PM   #16
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I have to say: For a brain damaged lying POS who pretends to have been a drill sergeant in the Army and who spuriously brags about all the people he has killed (purportedly in the military as opposed to be s serial killer) your analysis of the comparative usefulness of these two aircraft and you extraordinary command of the tactical considerations in the selection of combat aircraft is quite stimulating and your announcement is equally interesting and "on point"! Thank you for your well reasoned and in depth contribution.


You don't really believe that do you LL
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You're an asshole LLephantman!
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Old 02-20-2017, 02:39 AM   #18
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You don't really believe that do you LL
From now on I'll put a sarcasm alert on my sarcastic posts.

Although it was prefaced with ...

"For a brain damaged lying POS who pretends to have been a drill sergeant in the Army and who spuriously brags about all the people he has killed (purportedly in the military as opposed to be a serial killer) ...."

Actually, his post reflects a post that is made by someone who hasn't ever thought about the topic, but feels compelled to post something to appear to be relevant to the discussion in an effort to perpetrate his fantasy of having served in the military, received a brain damaging head wound, and participated in killing a lot of "people" .... so he's a real "bad ass" and we had better quit posting in a manner that makes fun of him or he'll call all of us! Something like that!

Similar to the stupid shit posted by AssWipe and the POS he dragged here from his "vacation" posting forum ... in a feeble effort to quell the intelligent folks who made the correct choice when they voted for ANYONE other than HillaryNoMore!!!
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In test the F-35 had shown itself to be vastly superior to anything else in the air. You can't sub any other plane for it
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In test the F-35 had shown itself to be vastly superior to anything else in the air. You can't sub any other plane for it
When it works.
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From now on I'll put a sarcasm alert on my sarcastic posts.

Although it was prefaced with ...

"For a brain damaged lying POS who pretends to have been a drill sergeant in the Army and who spuriously brags about all the people he has killed (purportedly in the military as opposed to be a serial killer) ...."

Actually, his post reflects a post that is made by someone who hasn't ever thought about the topic, but feels compelled to post something to appear to be relevant to the discussion in an effort to perpetrate his fantasy of having served in the military, received a brain damaging head wound, and participated in killing a lot of "people" .... so he's a real "bad ass" and we had better quit posting in a manner that makes fun of him or he'll call all of us! Something like that!

Similar to the stupid shit posted by AssWipe and the POS he dragged here from his "vacation" posting forum ... in a feeble effort to quell the intelligent folks who made the correct choice when they voted for ANYONE other than HillaryNoMore!!!
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In test the F-35 had shown itself to be vastly superior to anything else in the air. You can't sub any other plane for it
I'm reminded of a meeting that occurred between some Pentagon brass and a computer manufacturing rep who was presenting to the "decision makers" the audio responding computer system for an installation contract bidding for a new computer system for the Pentagon (or that section in the building)

One of the reviewing Generals asked the computer a verbal question that required a complex answer and the computer responded "Yes!"

The General asked "Yes, what?"

Computer: "Yes, Sir!"

My point: Would you mind BL providing those of us who are not as well versed as you are in the test performance of military aircraft in comparison to all other military aircraft in the World a link so that "we" may examine "The Test" for details that might reveal your conclusion from "The Test"?

Sometime this year would be nice before the F35 is obsolete!
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In test the F-35 had shown itself to be vastly superior to anything else in the air. You can't sub any other plane for it
2nd request for a link to THE TEST RESULTS.
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Here is another one.
http://aviationweek.com/defense/f-35...hter-maneuvers
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Another "poop" sheet?
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Another "poop" sheet?
Per your request.
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Old 02-20-2017, 02:36 PM   #27
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That's one reason why the "leaking" is outrageous!



http://shanghaiist.com/2017/02/16/tr...demark_win.php
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Per your request.
Are you BL? Dual handles?

If you will review some earlier comments some critical comparisons were provided ... .air show and controlled exercises with aircraft do not adequately reveal their comparative value for a variety of tasks the most important of which is to be able to depart from a base (fixed or otherwise) engage a target or targets and return safely to the base of origin or a viable alternative.

How many F35's have performed successfully againt the best the Russians and/or the Chinese have in combat conditions?

http://www.stopthef35.com/pentagon-f...n-real-combat/

By Veterans Today

Fatal flaws within the cockpit of the US military’s most expensive fighter jet ever are causing further problems with the Pentagon’s dubious F-35 program.

Just weeks after a fleet of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighters was grounded for reasons unrelated, a new report from the Pentagon warns that any pilot that boards the pricey aircraft places himself in danger without even going into combat.

In a leaked memo from the Defense Department’s director of the Operational Test and Evaluation Directorate to the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Pentagon official prefaces a report on the F-35 by cautioning that even training missions cannot be safely performed on board the aircraft at this time.

“The training management system lags in development compared to the rest of the Integrated Training Center and does not yet have all planned functionality,” the report reads in part.

In other sections of the lengthy DoD analysis, Operational Test and Evaluation Directorate Director J. Michael Gilmore outlines a number of flaws that jeopardize the safety of any pilot that enters the aircraft.

“The out-of-cockpit visibility in the F-35A is less than other Air Force fighter aircraft,” one excerpt reads.

Elsewhere, Gilmore includes quotes from pilots commenting after test missions onboard the aircraft: “The head rest is too large and will impede aft [rear] visibility and survivability during surface and air engagements,” said one. “Aft visibility will get the pilot gunned [down] every time” in dogfights, remarked another.

“Aft visibility could turn out to be a significant problem for all F-35 pilots in the future,” the Pentagon admits.

In one chart included in the report, the Pentagon says there are eight crucial flaws with the aircraft that have raises serious red flags within the Department of Defense. The plane’s lack of maturity, reduced pilot situational awareness during an emergency and the risk of the aircraft’s fuel barriers catching fire are also cited, as is the likelihood of a pilot in distress becoming unable to escape his aircraft during an emergency — or perhaps drowning in event of an evacuation over water.

The Pilot Vehicle Interface, or PVI, is also listed as not up to snuff. Documented deficiencies regarding the F-35 pilot’s helmet-mounted display and other aspects of the PVI are named, and the result could mean grave consequences.

“There is no confidence that the pilot can perform critical tasks safely,” the report reads.

The latest news regarding the F-35s comes less than one month after a separate incident forced the Department of Defense to ground their entire arsenal of the fighter jets. In February, jet makers Lockheed Martin issued a statement acknowledging that a routine inspection on a test plane at Edwards Air Force Base in California turned up cracked turbine blade.

“Safety is always our first consideration, and the joint inspection team is focused on ensuring the integrity of the engines across the entire fleet so the F-35s can safely return to flight as soon as possible,” the manufacture told the media. In response, Joint Program Office spokeswoman Kyra Hawn confirmed that all F-35 flight operations were suspended as a precautionary measure “until the investigation is complete and the cause of the blade crack is fully understood.” Just weeks later, though, a new report is already causing fresh problems for the F-35 program.

Each F-35 fighter jet is valued at $238 million and, according to recent estimates, the entire operation will cost the country $1 trillion in order to keep the jets up and running through 2050.

SOURCE: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/03/11/243047/

A primary concern discussed above was a limited range without refueling.

You will also find discussions about the F16 out performing the F35 in a head to head fight. A problem we experience now is the debate of all this information just feeds the enemy ... they learn the vulnerabilities.

Read this October 2016 DOD Memo:
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...gress-and.html

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https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...ogress-and.pdf
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Are you BL? Dual handles?

If you will review some earlier comments some critical comparisons were provided ... .air show and controlled exercises with aircraft do not adequately reveal their comparative value for a variety of tasks the most important of which is to be able to depart from a base (fixed or otherwise) engage a target or targets and return safely to the base of origin or a viable alternative.

How many F35's have performed successfully againt the best the Russians and/or the Chinese have in combat conditions?

http://www.stopthef35.com/pentagon-f...n-real-combat/

By Veterans Today

Fatal flaws within the cockpit of the US military’s most expensive fighter jet ever are causing further problems with the Pentagon’s dubious F-35 program.

Just weeks after a fleet of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighters was grounded for reasons unrelated, a new report from the Pentagon warns that any pilot that boards the pricey aircraft places himself in danger without even going into combat.

In a leaked memo from the Defense Department’s director of the Operational Test and Evaluation Directorate to the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Pentagon official prefaces a report on the F-35 by cautioning that even training missions cannot be safely performed on board the aircraft at this time.

“The training management system lags in development compared to the rest of the Integrated Training Center and does not yet have all planned functionality,” the report reads in part.

In other sections of the lengthy DoD analysis, Operational Test and Evaluation Directorate Director J. Michael Gilmore outlines a number of flaws that jeopardize the safety of any pilot that enters the aircraft.

“The out-of-cockpit visibility in the F-35A is less than other Air Force fighter aircraft,” one excerpt reads.

Elsewhere, Gilmore includes quotes from pilots commenting after test missions onboard the aircraft: “The head rest is too large and will impede aft [rear] visibility and survivability during surface and air engagements,” said one. “Aft visibility will get the pilot gunned [down] every time” in dogfights, remarked another.

“Aft visibility could turn out to be a significant problem for all F-35 pilots in the future,” the Pentagon admits.

In one chart included in the report, the Pentagon says there are eight crucial flaws with the aircraft that have raises serious red flags within the Department of Defense. The plane’s lack of maturity, reduced pilot situational awareness during an emergency and the risk of the aircraft’s fuel barriers catching fire are also cited, as is the likelihood of a pilot in distress becoming unable to escape his aircraft during an emergency — or perhaps drowning in event of an evacuation over water.

The Pilot Vehicle Interface, or PVI, is also listed as not up to snuff. Documented deficiencies regarding the F-35 pilot’s helmet-mounted display and other aspects of the PVI are named, and the result could mean grave consequences.

“There is no confidence that the pilot can perform critical tasks safely,” the report reads.

The latest news regarding the F-35s comes less than one month after a separate incident forced the Department of Defense to ground their entire arsenal of the fighter jets. In February, jet makers Lockheed Martin issued a statement acknowledging that a routine inspection on a test plane at Edwards Air Force Base in California turned up cracked turbine blade.

“Safety is always our first consideration, and the joint inspection team is focused on ensuring the integrity of the engines across the entire fleet so the F-35s can safely return to flight as soon as possible,” the manufacture told the media. In response, Joint Program Office spokeswoman Kyra Hawn confirmed that all F-35 flight operations were suspended as a precautionary measure “until the investigation is complete and the cause of the blade crack is fully understood.” Just weeks later, though, a new report is already causing fresh problems for the F-35 program.

Each F-35 fighter jet is valued at $238 million and, according to recent estimates, the entire operation will cost the country $1 trillion in order to keep the jets up and running through 2050.

SOURCE: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/03/11/243047/

A primary concern discussed above was a limited range without refueling.

You will also find discussions about the F16 out performing the F35 in a head to head fight. A problem we experience now is the debate of all this information just feeds the enemy ... they learn the vulnerabilities.
Would have helped if you had bothered to read the articles, but you would rather spew crap.

Both covered more than fuel.
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Would have helped if you had bothered to read the articles, but you would rather spew crap.

Both covered more than fuel.
I wasn't referencing your "poop" sheets about ranges. I was referencing earlier discussions in the thread. I'm not spewing shit ... you are!

I prefer to utilize military analysis and DOD testing reports! I was asking BL for the source of his information.

But in your normal style you stuck your nose into something you don't know anything about with your bullshit!

The F35 program is in trouble...not to mention overruns.
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