Can Trump pull off the deal of the century?

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

I understand Trump’s desire for peace and a return to normalization with Russia because it is good economically for the US and most of the world. It’s just bad for Ukraine.

I'm just glad you liberals are making clear where your allegiance lies.

Not to your Nation.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Trump and Tiny have a desire for peace at all costs even if it means Ukraine’s subjugation to Russia. At least fewer Ukrainians would die seems to be an acceptable cost to Ukraine for Trump and Tiny.

I like how you are willing to fight to the last Ukrainian for the ideal of a free Ukraine!!! You're all about the self sacrifice. You hate Trump so much you would continue a slaughter in Europe because you REALLY CARE about Ukrainian Independence and sovereign integrity! LOL

If Joe Biden were doing this, you'd be arguing that Ukraine just needs to accept reality.

Another Ukraine First liberal.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Which they’ve agreed to. But somehow Trump is trying to back out of that. Guess he didn’t expect them to agree.

As I understand the agreement, Europe will give Ukraine their current arms and purchase new ones for themselves, as that’s the fastest way to facilitate further arming Ukraine.

Trump and Tiny have a desire for peace at all costs even if it means Ukraine’s subjugation to Russia. At least fewer Ukrainians would die seems to be an acceptable cost to Ukraine for Trump and Tiny.

Originally Posted by texassapper

I'm just glad you liberals are making clear where your allegiance lies.

Not to your Nation.

I’m for supporting the Ukrainian people from the subjugation of their country by Russia. Not the first time this has happened by the way. The Ukrainians have been invaded and subjugated throughout their history.

Many liberals and conservatives support Ukraine. I’m just glad that you specifically have no problem throwing them to the wolves if it saves a buck.

[txdot-guy]

Maybe someone can tell me what the best case outcome of this Alaska meeting will be with Trump and Putin?

In my opinion the most likely and the best option would be for there to be an actual framework for peace talks that includes representatives from Russia, Ukraine and the US. Without guarantees from each country for a commitment to peace then we’ll get nowhere.

The worst option would be for Trump to throw up his hands and pull all support for Ukraine and sanctions against Russia.

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by texassapper

I like how you are willing to fight to the last Ukrainian for the ideal of a free Ukraine!!! You're all about the self sacrifice. You hate Trump so much you would continue a slaughter in Europe because you REALLY CARE about Ukrainian Independence and sovereign integrity! LOL

If Joe Biden were doing this, you'd be arguing that Ukraine just needs to accept reality.

Another Ukraine First liberal.

If the Ukrainians are willing to fight for their freedom who am I to stand in their way. If the need arms to do so, let’s give them all they need. A militarily weaker Russia is fine by me. I’m ok with Russians dying to support the stupidity of their invasion. I’m also ok with Ukrainians dying to defend their lands just as we would were the situation the US being invaded.

People dying in war isn’t something that bothers me. Countries invading others does. My disdain for Trump has nothing to do with this. I like Tiny and drag him just the same for his position.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

If the need arms to do so, let’s give them all they need.

yeah, nothing costs money to a liberal... everything is free because its not their money,

[Schwarzer Ritter]

The conundrum for the liberal, if it is so important for Russia to lose then they should willing to do ANYTHING to support Ukraine including US ground troops. That is what you want. You don't care if Ukraine wins, you want Russia to lose. Not because you hate Russians but because you bought into the whole Putin and Trump are partners. Anything Trump must be opposed.
Imagine that was a premise of a sitcom (it would be a sitcom) the main character is completely motivated by being anti whatever another character is doing no matter how benign.
As for Ukrainian lives...they are chickens waiting for their media to be wrung.

[Jacky S]

Too bad Ukraine doesn’t have two huge oceans between them and those that want what they have.

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by texassapper

yeah, nothing costs money to a liberal... everything is free because its not their money,

Says the person that pays about 1/4 the taxes I do.

[1blackman1]

Actually I want Russia to lose and have long before Trump was in the picture. And just as much, I want whomever is fighting Russia or eventually China to win. Because ultimately that works to the benefit of the United States.

[Schwarzer Ritter]

Loose what before 2016? You wanted them to give up after they humiliated Clinton? How about when Obama let them have the Crimea? You did become agitated about something after Trump's perfect phone call to Zelensky. You're a born again fanatic...and those are the worst kind.

[1blackman1]

You realize Russia plays geopolitical games that existed prior to Ukraine. And in other theaters aside from Eastern Europe.

You’re making assumptions about which you’re wrong.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Says the person that pays about 1/4 the taxes I do.

Don’t blame me that you’re too stupid to structure your portfolio to avoid paying Uncle Sam.

[royamcr]

Don't think anything is going to happen. Putin is going to Alaska, and trump is going to Russia. Maybe they are using Microsoft Teams.

[Bunter Hiden]

While I'm sure the MAGAts won't believe it in there cult echo chamber, this is the reality for Americans that still possess critical thinking and observation skills. The ones with TCS will call it bullshit. Those of us that recognize what a moronic cunt the cheeto is get it.


Hell. We'll be lucky if, while he's wiping Putin's jizz off his chin, the fucking orange traitor doesn't give Putin back Alaska...and I'm sure Murkowski will express disappointment.

More than half of Americans lack faith in Trump on Russia-Ukraine war, poll finds - POLITICO

The majority of Americans don’t have faith in President Donald Trump’s decision-making ability related to the Russia-Ukraine war ahead of his meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to a poll released Thursday.

Nearly 60 percent of people said in a Pew Research Center poll they are either “not too confident” or “not at all confident” that Trump can make “wise decisions” about the deadliest conflict in Europe since World War II.

Democrats expressed significantly less confidence in the president’s decision-making skills than Republicans in the poll taken in early August. But Trump has also lost trust with Republicans, with 73 percent telling Pew they are somewhat or very confident in Trump’s ability to handle the war, compared to 81 percent in July 2024.

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