Can Trump pull off the deal of the century?

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

I understand Trump’s desire for peace and a return to normalization with Russia because it is good economically for the US and most of the world. It’s just bad for Ukraine.

I'm just glad you liberals are making clear where your allegiance lies.

Not to your Nation.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Trump and Tiny have a desire for peace at all costs even if it means Ukraine’s subjugation to Russia. At least fewer Ukrainians would die seems to be an acceptable cost to Ukraine for Trump and Tiny.

I like how you are willing to fight to the last Ukrainian for the ideal of a free Ukraine!!! You're all about the self sacrifice. You hate Trump so much you would continue a slaughter in Europe because you REALLY CARE about Ukrainian Independence and sovereign integrity! LOL

If Joe Biden were doing this, you'd be arguing that Ukraine just needs to accept reality.

Another Ukraine First liberal.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Which they’ve agreed to. But somehow Trump is trying to back out of that. Guess he didn’t expect them to agree.

As I understand the agreement, Europe will give Ukraine their current arms and purchase new ones for themselves, as that’s the fastest way to facilitate further arming Ukraine.

Trump and Tiny have a desire for peace at all costs even if it means Ukraine’s subjugation to Russia. At least fewer Ukrainians would die seems to be an acceptable cost to Ukraine for Trump and Tiny.

Originally Posted by texassapper

I'm just glad you liberals are making clear where your allegiance lies.

Not to your Nation.

I’m for supporting the Ukrainian people from the subjugation of their country by Russia. Not the first time this has happened by the way. The Ukrainians have been invaded and subjugated throughout their history.

Many liberals and conservatives support Ukraine. I’m just glad that you specifically have no problem throwing them to the wolves if it saves a buck.

[txdot-guy]

Maybe someone can tell me what the best case outcome of this Alaska meeting will be with Trump and Putin?

In my opinion the most likely and the best option would be for there to be an actual framework for peace talks that includes representatives from Russia, Ukraine and the US. Without guarantees from each country for a commitment to peace then we’ll get nowhere.

The worst option would be for Trump to throw up his hands and pull all support for Ukraine and sanctions against Russia.

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by texassapper

I like how you are willing to fight to the last Ukrainian for the ideal of a free Ukraine!!! You're all about the self sacrifice. You hate Trump so much you would continue a slaughter in Europe because you REALLY CARE about Ukrainian Independence and sovereign integrity! LOL

If Joe Biden were doing this, you'd be arguing that Ukraine just needs to accept reality.

Another Ukraine First liberal.

If the Ukrainians are willing to fight for their freedom who am I to stand in their way. If the need arms to do so, let’s give them all they need. A militarily weaker Russia is fine by me. I’m ok with Russians dying to support the stupidity of their invasion. I’m also ok with Ukrainians dying to defend their lands just as we would were the situation the US being invaded.

People dying in war isn’t something that bothers me. Countries invading others does. My disdain for Trump has nothing to do with this. I like Tiny and drag him just the same for his position.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

If the need arms to do so, let’s give them all they need.

yeah, nothing costs money to a liberal... everything is free because its not their money,

[Schwarzer Ritter]

The conundrum for the liberal, if it is so important for Russia to lose then they should willing to do ANYTHING to support Ukraine including US ground troops. That is what you want. You don't care if Ukraine wins, you want Russia to lose. Not because you hate Russians but because you bought into the whole Putin and Trump are partners. Anything Trump must be opposed.
Imagine that was a premise of a sitcom (it would be a sitcom) the main character is completely motivated by being anti whatever another character is doing no matter how benign.
As for Ukrainian lives...they are chickens waiting for their media to be wrung.

[Jacky S]

Too bad Ukraine doesn’t have two huge oceans between them and those that want what they have.