Should People Not Show Up to Protest With Firearms

[ICU 812]

I never said he had done anything illegal with regards to being armed or that he had acted unlawfully in terms of protesting.

It is my view that showing up at a protest with a gun is not a good idea.

Becoming involved with law enforcement officers who are trying to arrest someone is not a god idea.

If one is armed while seeking this involvement with LE makes the idea even worse.

Regardless of whether or not one is legally armed; whether or not one is behaving in a lawful manner; and whether or not the ICE agents were acting within the law or not . . .all of the above are a bad idea.

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

I never said he had done anything illegal with regards to being armed or that he had acted unlawfully in terms of protesting.

It is my view that showing up at a protest with a gun is not a good idea.

Becoming involved with law enforcement officers who are trying to arrest someone is not a god idea.

If one is armed while seeking this involvement with LE makes the idea even worse.

Regardless of whether or not one is legally armed; whether or not one is behaving in a lawful manner; and whether or not the ICE agents were acting within the law or not . . .all of the above are a bad idea.

Yep....but none of the above absolves the ICE/CBP/DHS agents of responsibility for their actions.
After all, they're (supposedly) professionals.

[jayjaychrome]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

I never said he had done anything illegal with regards to being armed or that he had acted unlawfully in terms of protesting.

It is my view that showing up at a protest with a gun is not a good idea.

Becoming involved with law enforcement officers who are trying to arrest someone is not a god idea.

If one is armed while seeking this involvement with LE makes the idea even worse.

Regardless of whether or not one is legally armed; whether or not one is behaving in a lawful manner; and whether or not the ICE agents were acting within the law or not . . .all of the above are a bad idea.

Thank you for this comment I guess but I haven't seen anyone claim that it was a "good idea". You're responding vociferously a claim that no one is making.

Some people are trying really hard to focus on a non-existent argument to avoid discussing whether or not federal agents acted legally. My guess is that this is because the answer is really obvious and leads to some dark conclusions, so they are trying to redirect the conversation elsewhere. Better to try to redirect than embarrass oneself with mental gymnastics I guess..

[RX792P]

TRUMP:

Having said that, you know, you can’t have guns. You can’t walk in with guns.

Originally Posted by RX792P

"I don't know of any peaceful protesters that shows up with a gun and ammunition rather than a sign," said Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem.

Guess she doesn't remember Charlottesville...or Oregon...or Seattle...or Kenosha...or Lansing...







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[Ducbutter]

Originally Posted by jayjaychrome

Thank you for this comment I guess but I haven't seen anyone claim that it was a "good idea". You're responding vociferously a claim that no one is making.

Some people are trying really hard to focus on a non-existent argument to avoid discussing whether or not federal agents acted legally. My guess is that this is because the answer is really obvious and leads to some dark conclusions, so they are trying to redirect the conversation elsewhere. Better to try to redirect than embarrass oneself with mental gymnastics I guess..

He's actually just answering a question posed by the OP. It's a question completely separate from the legality of the the shooting, no?

[1blackman1]

Not really. Unless the original post asked whether it was a good idea, which I doesn’t. But you knew that already.

[Mplay]

More coming out about the nurse killed. Fired from his job. Prior conflicts with law. He went looking for trouble and found it. One too many dumbass mistakes.

[Ducbutter]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Not really. Unless the original post asked whether it was a good idea, which I doesn’t. But you knew that already.

Wow, you're really parsing there. But you already knew that.
How about this?

Q. Should people not show up to protest with firearms?

A. It's a really bad idea, so no.

Good lord.

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by Mplay

More coming out about the nurse killed. Fired from his job. Prior conflicts with law. He went looking for trouble and found it. One too many dumbass mistakes.

More misinformation!

Heck, the misinformer "buzzreport247" can't even get the hospital right...This report fabricated allegations of misconduct and "inappropriate behavior" at a facility called "Lakeshore Medical Center," where Pretti never actually worked.

Employment Status: At the time of his death, Pretti was actively employed as an intensive care nurse within the Minneapolis VA Health Care System.

BTW....the poster is proud to call himself a "J6er Pardoned Patriot".
https://x.com/johnrockshomes/status/2016205404343267793

[Budman]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...e/88348880007/

Seems those typical Trumpers on this site have decided that showing up to protest with firearms means that being killed by the police is justifiable. That does not appear to the be position of the NRA and other gun rights groups.

In fact, the typical Trumpers only seem to have come to that position recently as most if not all stated exactly the opposite previously. I have only even seen them write such silliness when they are justifying the death of someone they disagree with politically and have never being intellectually honest (though I would actually say that half of that description is true of the Trumpys, pick either).

Blackman,
That's not what anyone is saying and you know it. Showing up with a weapon (legal weapon) and peacefully protesting will not get you killed. Showing up with a weapon and interfering with a police operation may get you hurt or killed. Big difference.

[Budman]

Originally Posted by rooster

Kyle-Mutherfucking-Rittenhouse.

Now a celebrity.

Alex Pretti.

Now dead.

.

What's your fucking point? Kyle was protecting himself from a mob of rioters that were burning businesses, cars and anything else they could. They were attacking Kyle and he defended himself.


Pretti on the other hand tried to interfere with an arrest by ICE. Having a gun on him escalated the situation 10 fold. If he would have kept his distance and just shouted is stupid mantra he would still be alive to show his ignorance one more time. Poor, poor Pretti.


You and all the libs here know the difference but refuse to acknowledge it because you have one agenda and anything that doesn't support that agenda is tossed to the side,

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Openly armed? He was holding his cellphone. He was permitted to concealed carry. Nobody saw the gun until they had him on the ground, beating the shit out of him.

By interfering with ICE doing its duties - please explain. He was using his phone to record ICE kicking the shit out of another protester.

The MAGA view of this tragic incident is warped at best. Denial, refusal, lies... all of them too.

That fucker executed Pritti.

Was this anything like the "assassination attempts" last year? Absolutely not. One was an execution, the others were theater, complete with props.

why did a "peaceful protester" need to carry a gun to peaceful protest?

[rooster]

Originally Posted by rooster

Kyle-Mutherfucking-Rittenhouse.

Now a celebrity.

Alex Pretti.

Now dead.

.

Originally Posted by Budman

What's your fucking point? Kyle was protecting himself from a mob of rioters that were burning businesses, cars and anything else they could. They were attacking Kyle and he defended himself.


Pretti on the other hand tried to interfere with an arrest by ICE. Having a gun on him escalated the situation 10 fold. If he would have kept his distance and just shouted is stupid mantra he would still be alive to show his ignorance one more time. Poor, poor Pretti....

Rittenhouse went looking for trouble, playing soldier.

I'd respect your points if you were objective about that, and maybe I'd consider the point that Pretti did some of the same. Maybe I would even say "well, they both made some bad decisions."

But there's two problems with that.

The first is the way MAGA lionized that punk-ass wannabe tough guy as a hero. He was a jerk and an asshole. But very few of you said anything like he brought problems on himself, escalated the tension and violence. He was absolved of all responsibility and FUCKING PAID by MAGA to be a celebrity.

(and you have the goddam gall to bitch about "one agenda"...)

The second is that Pretti did not try to "interfere with an arrest."

There is not one damn bit of footage that shows that. Quite the opposite.

Which means that you do NOT know this.

PROVE ME WRONG.

Don't say that I am wrong.

Prove it.
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[rooster]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

why did a "peaceful protester" need to carry a gun to peaceful protest?

Why did MAGA continue to defend this gaslighting nonsense when it just looks worse and worse for you?

Didn't you get the memo? The cracks are appearing. MAGAts in high places are beginning to turn on each other over this. Real people with real consciences are no longer trying to deny the facts. They know this cannot be sustained.

I know you ain't got it in you to do any of the above. To admit that this is just indefensible overall.

So...maybe...as a way out...you should just consider dropping this, hoping for it all to go away.

Don't say nuthin stupid and....wait for a real investigation to happen and the people who REALLY screwed up go down for it.

It could even make you look good! Standing up for justice, no matter where it leads and how painful it might be...and alla that.

Or... not.

Cuz what could go wrong if you stay the course, toe the MAGA line, repeat the mandatory lies? Other than continued delegitimization of everything MAGA stands for....
.

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

why did a "peaceful protester" need to carry a gun to peaceful protest?

This would be a 'peaceful protest'? Right.