Another person killed by ICE in Minn

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Too bad Alex Pretti and Renee Goode’s wife didn’t copy Mahatma Ghandi, Martin Luther King and Jesus Christ. Pretti’s and Goode’s protesting careers would have lasted a lot longer. It’s not a good idea to curse or get in the face of armed members of law enforcement.

Here’s a video of Pretti kicking out a tail light of an ICE vehicle and repeatedly yelling “fuck you” at agents, 11 days before he was killed.

https://www.marketwatch.com/video/wa...0D99503FE.html

This is not to excuse Greg Bovino, Kristi Noem and Stephen Miller. Just common sense dictates you protest peacefully and calmly around heavily armed men. And you don’t bring a pistol. What good did he think a hand gun would do anyway?

Originally Posted by elghund

So, you are saying ICE was specifically hunting for this guy to execute him for kicking out a tail light?

elg….

Of course not. Do you believe Mahatma Gandhi or Jesus would bring a pistol to a protest? The older, wiser Martin Luther King, Jr. publicly rejected carrying and using firearms. He believed nonviolence had to be absolute.

Pretti otherwise made poor decisions, 11 days prior to his death, and on the day he died when he inserted himself between armed CBP agents and a woman they were trying to restrain. That kind of poor judgment may just catch up to you eventually, and in his case it did.

Think of it this way. You're happily married to a heiress. You signed a prenup. Still every once in a while you bang a hooker without a condom (BBFS). Nothing happens. Then one day you engage in CFS and BBBJ. Your date has gonorrhea bacteria lurking in her throat. You get it and take it home to wifey. She gets gonorrhea and boots your ass. No more mansion, Mercedes, King Air or vacation home in the Bahamas. You're still better off than Alex Pretti though.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

I was unsure of the provenance of this video for a while but after some digging today the snopes website has confirmed that a representative of Alex Pretti’s family have confirmed that the person in the video is Alex Pretti.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/al...tti-car-video/
As the footage circulated, credible news outlets including The Associated Press and the Minnesota Star Tribune reported a spokesperson for Pretti's family and its lawyer Steve Sleicher confirmed the footage's authenticity. They said it shows Pretti. There was no indication of those reports being inaccurate or insufficiently vetted.

The release of this video footage just raises more questions for me. Like why wasn’t he arrested in the first place? Did this confrontation have anything to do with bringing armed during the fatal shooting? Did any of the ICE agents involved in the shooting have prior contact with Alex Pretti?

In any event I would say it’s a very bad idea to bring a gun to a protest. But then again I’m also prone to saying we need to reform the 2nd amendment so that we can make some common sense laws about gun restrictions and gun ownership.

Originally Posted by rooster

Yeah, well....there's a reason we still speak about them all. They were special. Few can live to those standards. Don't get me wrong. I am an agnostic that greatly admires the philosophies of peace and all legitimate religions, especially Christ's teachings in the New Testament.

But then we have events like the Boston Tea Party.

People have their limits. Anyone will resort to violence when pushed to them.

The Trump Admin understands this fully.

And they have manipulated BOTH their opponents and their supporters in regards to this.

Good, her wife, and Pretti felt like they were standing for something. NONE of them expected they would die for the pitiful reasons that are claimed.

I'm sure that we will again hear from the "they got what they asked for" and "they shouldn't have carried a gun" folks. But still...these shootings were absurd. And criminal. Defending them is immoral.

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Gentlemen, If you're going to try to stick it to the Man, there are two ways to do it. One is through nonviolent protest. This ultimately succeeded in dismantling the legal architecture of discrimination in the South. And bringing independence to India. King's and Gandhi's followers for the most part didn't yell obscenities and get in the face of authorities.

Rooster provides a good example of the second way, with the Boston Tea Party. Organize and have a plan. In 21st century America though that's really hard to pull off. Which leaves you with nonviolent protest.

I haven't made any partisan statements in this thread, unless you view laying the blame for this at the feet of Greg Bovino, Kristi Noem and Stephen Miller as partisan. I'm just saying people shouldn't be dumb asses. I don't know about Austin or New York, but if you go around where I live cursing and impeding LE or any other armed individuals, it's going to catch up with you.

TxDot, Yes, if he'd spent the night in jail after busting the tail light, he probably wouldn't be dead today. I don't know whether to blame that on the Minnesota politicians and police, who aren't cooperating with the Feds, or DHS for creating this mess in the first place. Probably both.

[elghund]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Here’s a video of Pretti kicking out a tail light of an ICE vehicle and repeatedly yelling “fuck you” at agents, 11 days before he was killed.

https://www.marketwatch.com/video/wa...0D99503FE.html

Originally Posted by elghund

So, you are saying ICE was specifically hunting for this guy to execute him for kicking out a tail light?

elg….

Originally Posted by Tiny

Of course not…….
Pretti otherwise made poor decisions, 11 days prior to his death, and on the day he died when he inserted himself between armed CBP agents and a woman they were trying to restrain. That kind of poor judgment may just catch up to you eventually, and in his case it did.

So, even though you deny it, your own words say different. You continue to allude that Pretti was on a retaliation list by ICE, who then executed him.

elg…….

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by elghund

So, even though you deny it, your own words say different. You continue to allude that Pretti was on a retaliation list by ICE, who then executed him.

elg…….

No, that’s your theory. Could one or more of the agents present when he died remembered him from an earlier incident(s)? That’s possible. There’s also this,

https://newrepublic.com/post/205779/...se-protesters?

Pretti very well may be on the database. However I doubt most agents saw Pretti’s photo there or anywhere else, although I could be wrong

Was he on a retaliation list? Did a retaliation list exist? Very, very unlikely IMO. Conspiracy theories like yours usually turn out wrong.

Nice job of selective quoting btw.

[RX792P]

Be interesting to see what direction this goes...


The Justice Department has opened a federal civil rights probe into the fatal shooting of Alex Pretti in Minneapolis, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche said Friday.

“We’re looking at everything that would shed light on what happened that day and in the days and weeks leading up to what happened,” Blanche said during a press conference Friday related to the latest release of the Jeffrey Epstein files.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tru...lis-rcna256751

[rooster]

Originally Posted by Tiny

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Rooster provides a good example of the second way, with the Boston Tea Party. Organize and have a plan. In 21st century America though that's really hard to pull off....

Especially when the Administration in power has cast any form of "organized" protest as "domestic terrorism"...and then uses that rationale to demonize the people participating in these protests and anyone supporting them ("Soros is a Commie, Socialist FUCK who HATES America and will be investigated and thrown in jail!")

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[RX792P]

Looks like more CBP/ICE/HSI agents will be equipped with bodycams.

'for their own protection' you know, since videos are being 'misleadingly edited'....

White House senior adviser Corey Lewandowski told Newsmax that Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents in Minneapolis are being equipped with body cameras as a means of personal protection.

"What we're seeing is these radicalized leftists taking snippets of what's transpiring and some of these incidents, and using them," he said.

"So these officers have come out and asked for these body cams."

"And if Congress is going to fund the Department of Homeland Security, which I encourage them to do, then every officer under Kristi Noem's leadership will have body cams on so everybody can see what's going on for the protection of the officers and the safety of the people," he said.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/c...02/id/1244590/

IIRC, in some of the incidents with CBP/ICE there have been agents wearing bodycams...but little of that footage has ever been released.

I guess it may work both ways.
There was an incident in Chicago
https://www.fox9.com/news/some-ice-a...not-everywhere

Body-worn camera footage from a similar incident there led to the dismissal of charges against a woman who was shot by a border patrol agent.

The woman was charged with trying to ram federal agents with her vehicle. DHS called her a "domestic terrorist." But the woman's attorney said the U.S. Attorney's Office dropped the charges after reviewing body-camera footage of the incident.

[RX792P]

Did ICE follow their own handbook?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-o...test-news-unit

The ICE Firearms and Use of Force Directive states that it “serves as the authoritative guidance” for Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents. It outlines requirements on how to handle fleeing subjects, including those who are in a vehicle; how to properly handle firearms in close proximity to people; guidelines for deescalation; and what actions agents should take before resorting to deadly force.

“ICE employees are expected to be familiar with the contents of this Handbook and required to take appropriate action to comply with policies and procedures established herein,” it says. “Violation of the policies and procedures contained in this Handbook may be grounds for disciplinary action or other appropriate action.”

[RX792P]

Optics?
Not killed but wounded...

https://news.yahoo.com/articles/own-...043218412.html

CBP agents shot the Chicago woman and U.S. citizen five times last October after her vehicle was involved in a collision with an SUV with Supervisory Border Patrol Agent Charles Exum.

That's when the agents opened fire, ultimately striking Martinez five times in the arm, chest and both legs. Only one of the three agents had a body camera activated at the time.

While the body camera footage hasn't been released publicly, lawyers for Martinez have said in court that it shows an officer shouting "do something b-

The agent who shot her allegedly said in a group text to friends: "I fired 5 rounds and she had 7 holes. Put that in your book, boys."

[RX792P]

Not odd at all Patel spikes Good shooting investigation.

Senior FBI officials under Director Kash Patel ordered agents to halt a civil rights investigation into the fatal shooting of Renee Good by an ICE officer, amid concerns the probe could undermine public statements made by President Donald Trump and senior administration officials, according to multiple people familiar with the matter.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/fb...07/id/1245245/