Date with a Civilian

[bartipero]

Allie, it depends on the provider. I know some with fabulous personalities and have enjoyed the romance, if you will, with a friend, though she may also be a provider. Perhaps it's foreplay as such, or just two people like each other. Those scenarios weren't frequent or paid, or only sometimes paid, but were situations where I had no preconceived notions, nor did either one of us have a concern about statuses with one another or anyone else. The 'why' may simply be in knowing the end game will still be a score, and that both will likely enjoy it--versus one--but the fact overall was two people who clicked and like each other and there wasn't a bunch of money involved. It's still a turn on that you didn't have to pay someone to find you attractive, and even moreso that you were the choice out of many. I would hope to always to see a real person..

[clusterlizard]

I think that's part of it for me too. And also, I thought seeing providers would be the ideal solution... hang out with a woman for a while, then go back to your life and be able to remain independent. But, it seems to just make me feel kind of lonely, where I didn't really before.

Having someone want you without the money is an ego boost, but I don't know if it matters. I wonder if it's just biology fucking with me, like the "loneliness".

Mother Nature is such a bitch to work against!

Originally Posted by bartipero

It's still a turn on that you didn't have to pay someone to find you attractive, and even moreso that you were the choice out of many. I would hope to always to see a real person..

[Allie_Kat]

Originally Posted by luvlittlemilkers

I think the OP is referring to dating outside the hobby.

That's what I was referring to also. lol
I guess if a client started having feelings for a provider that weren't mutual, it probably doesn't end well for either of them.

[bartipero]

Re: Clusterlizard:Can't comment about that w/o knowing you, but I imagine that is the case for everyone but a lucky few at some point in their life. Only one person can change that and it may involve a lot if trial and error. Being active in many social endeavors may help, but for many it never comes, only acceptance does.

[bartipero]

Quote:
Originally Posted by luvlittlemilkers
"I think the OP is referring to dating outside the hobby.
That's what I was referring to also. lol
I guess if a client started having feelings for a provider that weren't mutual, it probably doesn't end well for either of them."

Depends on if you have mutuality there, too. It's really not that much different in some respects. I know a lot if women who aren't technically 'working girls' who I would respect more if they would simply admit the only difference was the title.

Alright, aside from it being a rhetorical question, but more direct to the point, sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't. And I would surmise the majority if girls in the hobby want paid for the whole time slot, not just the physical part, and who wants to really pay for that--however interesting it might be.

[KCQuestor]

Originally Posted by Allie_Kat

That's what I was referring to also. lol
I guess if a client started having feelings for a provider that weren't mutual, it probably doesn't end well for either of them.

Allie, I think you are still unclear about the original post. He meant dating a person who wasn't in the hobby at all. Like someone you met at the grocery store or through work or your buddy's sister. You know, real life dating.

[b@ileythepistol]

I think the real question is...is she Gfe??lol

[Misawahawk]

Dating can lead to serious relationships which bring more joy than pleasure. There is no sure thing that it will work out, and even if it does its going to take a lot of work. As joy is the end result of what one hoped to gain -forlorn despair is likely to occur if it fails. IMO none of this can happen in the hobby. So a session will always let you down in the respect that at best it goes through only one aspect of dating. I doubt a provider will drink egg nog with you and your relatives on Christmas Eve. So I'd opt for dating, and use providers as standby until you find the right one, or if the right one is not satisfying you and you don't want to end it.

"Sex with out love is an empty feeling. But as far as empty feelings go, it's one of the best." Woody Allen.

[Allie_Kat]

Originally Posted by KCQuestor

Allie, I think you are still unclear about the original post. He meant dating a person who wasn't in the hobby at all. Like someone you met at the grocery store or through work or your buddy's sister. You know, real life dating.

Oh. I was halfway asleep when I read it.
Thank you.

I could see why someone would want to date outside the hobby. You would be spending vast amounts of time with someone as opposed to having to schedule with someone to see them for a shorter amount of time. Also, some may be looking for a live-in, someone to cook them dinner and do their laundry. lol

[Luscious-Lili]

In my opinion, there are different "strokes" for different folks. Some men deep in their heart of hearts want the wife and family package and that is just great and beautiful but on the other hand some women just don't want that package or aren't ready themselves. So that's what providers are for (amongst a lot of other things). Why invest all the time and money in a woman who just isn't going to give you that sensual oomph that a provider will without all the hassle? In my opinion, contributing to a provider in this case is not only a great investment monetarily but both sides win in the end minus the risk of loss of time, money, and heartache. I consider myself lucky because all my regular clients are men of great substance but I am sure there are those I would not, nor would he, function as a permanent couple. Thus, I'm happy, he's happy and that's what matters until he finds a mate who can serve as both his wife, best friend, and provider. If not, were always here for him to come back to and we both are SHINEY happy people. Now dating a provider is another thing. That takes a unique man because he has to realize her life depends on her chosen field of earning and embrace it without limitation. Unless she is totally comfortable with retirement. This is all just my opinion so anything said was far from being meant to insult anyone personally or his/her choices. We are all just one big happy family, no?

[Misawahawk]

When I tell my friends about the hobby they are like that's cool and all. But how can you be with a girl who 20 minutes ago gave a bbbj to some other dude? My answer is that I pay it no mind. But that's not really the truth. It weighs on me. I don't care how much money she made, I couldn't date an active provider. As fun as this hobby is, it's just not the same as being in a relationship.

I do believe that if pay for play was legal it would drastically reduce divorces and strengthen relationships. 95% of women can easily get laid anytime they want. At least for me I gotta work for it, most time losing, and sometime winning. The market is just too saturated. If ladies knew they could be replaced by something better, legally, and quick it would even the playing field.

[Luscious-Lili]

But if it were legalized, it would likely be taxed. Therefore we would have to add taxes to the "bill". There needs to be laws around it I agree such as necessary safety precautions, free health screenings for providers, birth control, and increased security as to the providers safety. However, to fully legalize it would IMO be a huge disaster. I just don't think the world is ready for that at least not the U.S. and it's Puritan foundation principles. Again, it would be ideal that the business is out there and there isn't any stopping it so why not just regulate it properly so that we "providers" aren't always in constant risk of disease, abuse, blackmail, drug abuse, unwanted pregnancies, or "management".

I say all of us ladies, whether we're full providers or just half and halfs, form together as a quiet collective by networking. That way we know who is who and there is a substantially lower risk to the above dangers. We don't all have to be friends but we should be united in protecting our sister providers as needed and when needed. Who needs a manager when we have a union?

[JD Barleycorn]

There is little more exciting than the "first". The first kiss, the first time you touch her, the first time she touches you, the first time....

[KCQuestor]

Originally Posted by Hunny Bunny

But if it were legalized, it would likely be taxed. Therefore we would have to add taxes to the "bill".

But you could also reduce costs by not worrying so much about screening, and legal issues.

Also, you would probably have to contend with more competition, which has a lowering effect on prices (barring any kind of union or collective price setting).

In countries where prostitution is legal and taxed, prices are generally about the same or lower than in places with similar economies where prostitution is illegal but tolerated.

[b@ileythepistol]

Also if it was legal if attacked we would not be afraid of seeking help on both ends hobbyists and providers alike.. I think the pros outweigh the cons expecally with the national debt we could really help with that by having to pay taxes