Second Ebola patient in Dallas?

[LexusLover]

I see a disparate treatment without rational justification ....

.. this administration can prohibit ALL travel by U.S. airlines to a Jewish country, ...

...but NOT SELECTIVE TRAVELERS FROM an African country on flights coming to the US.

[Whirlaway]

2 things wrong:

A. It isn't a 21 day incubation, it is UP TO 21 days....

B. That traveler can be tracked thru his visa stamps/passports. So your argument doesn't make sense. His entry into the US could easily be denied based on his origination.

At a minimum all African hot zone airplane arrivals should be a single location in which maximum screening and protocols could be applied. If an infected person is identified, the resources for confinement and treatment with top level people are in a single location.

Why the CDC hasn't required this is baffling.

Originally Posted by boardman

Unless every other country in the world imposes the same travel ban from West Africa a travel ban will do no good.
Think about it.
21 day incubation. Dude travels from Liberia to Greece stays a couple days before flying to Paris then London to take care of some business then travels on to the US. He hands the customs agent his passport. Bam. SHTF.
CDC is not ruling out the possibility that this could be transmitted airborne. They can just confirm that there is not a case where that is the only possible way it could have been transmitted.

[boardman]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

2 things wrong:

A. It isn't a 21 day incubation, it is UP TO 21 days....

B. That traveler can be tracked thru his visa stamps/passports. So your argument doesn't make sense. His entry into the US could easily be denied based on his origination.

At a minimum all African hot zone airplane arrivals should be a single location in which maximum screening and protocols could be applied. If an infected person is identified, the resources for confinement and treatment with top level people are in a single location.

Why the CDC hasn't required this is baffling.

Yes, I realize it's up to 21 days.

Who is going to deny entry? The guy checking the passport? Dude is already here and potentially infected other passengers.

[Whirlaway]

The same people who can deny entry at any US border.

Is it so hard to imagine, it is very simple.

Border agent: IC you are from Liberia. Do you not understand we have temporarily suspended travel visas from Ebola hot zones? Why did you travel here knowing you would not be allowed in? Were you not aware or informed of that before you traveled here? Please come with me to the holding area for return charter flights. The next charter flight back to Liberia is in 24 hours.

Originally Posted by boardman

Yes, I realize it's up to 21 days.

Who is going to deny entry? The guy checking the passport?

[boardman]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

The same people who can deny entry at any US border.

Is it so hard to imagine, it is very simple.

Border agent: IC you are from Liberia. Do you not understand we have temporarily suspended travel visas from Ebola hot zones? Why did you travel here knowing you would not be allowed in? Were you not aware or informed of that before you traveled here? Please come with me to the holding area for return charter flights. The next charter flight back to Liberia is in 24 hours.

The why doesn't matter. He has made contact. Then the Border agent has a possibility of being infected without knowing it, right? Or at least being infected and knowing there is a possibility after he has already handled the passport.
Or do we dress them all in yellow plastic suits too?

[Whirlaway]

Your scenario doesn't make sense; these travelers are here and potentially infecting other passengers under the current arrangement.

But at potentially 5 + airports across multiple states.

And they wouldn't make it onto the plane boarding in London or where ever. The carrier would be told NOT to let anyone traveling from Ebola hot zones onto US bound planes.

Originally Posted by boardman

Yes, I realize it's up to 21 days.

Who is going to deny entry? The guy checking the passport? Dude is already here and potentially infected other passengers.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

If the liberal elite won't ban travel from Africa hot zones, at a minimum they could require ALL FLIGHTS TO ARRIVE AT A SINGLE AIRPORT LOCATION, where rigorous screening could be effective and less costly. Currently flights from africa arrive at how many US airports?

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I thought you would be for leaving it up to each state to decide!

[Whirlaway]

I have no doubt that if it were left up to the individual states, Not one plane from an Ebola hot zone would land in the US.

Have you seen the polling numbers?

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebo...survey-n221751

[boardman]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Your scenario doesn't make sense; these travelers are here and potentially infecting other passengers under the current arrangement.

But at potentially 5 + airports across multiple states.

And they wouldn't make it onto the plane boarding in London or where ever. The carrier would be told NOT to let anyone traveling from Ebola hot zones onto US bound planes.

OK
Let's say dude 1 from Liberia meets dude 2 in Greece. Then dude 2 travels into the US carrying the virus.

I think perhaps you are misunderstanding my point which is there are hundreds of scenarios that I can imagine where the virus can be brought into the country, unknowingly. The only way to stop that is stop all inbound flights, border crossings etc.

Just read that CDC says it is very possible that other health care workers might have been infected. Thomas Frieden just said that they need to "rethink" their approach to the virus. My translation...

Nobody really knows what to do although we've know this is a possibility, with Ebola, for years. Hell, They are euthanizing dogs in Spain because it's owner had Ebola.
This has the potential to turn into a total cluster fuck. Leadership will be important if it does. I have no confidence in any of our leaders to do anything but point and blame.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

I have no doubt that if it were left up to the individual states, Not one plane from an Ebola hot zone would land in the US.

Have you seen the polling numbers?

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebo...survey-n221751

Good thing we aren't leaving it up to the States then!



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[Whirlaway]

There are hundreds of scenarios where Ebola spreads under the current set up.

What's your point? Do nothing? Do half measures?

If the US shuts down travel from Africa, so will europe and other countries. If not, Ebola will spread I guess.

But you want to risk the spread of Ebola in the US because 2 greeks might hook up with someone infected from Liberia in Prague, then one travels to the US?

Fuck that kind of thinking.

Originally Posted by boardman

OK
Let's say dude 1 from Liberia meets dude 2 in Greece. Then dude 2 travels into the US carrying the virus.

I think perhaps you are misunderstanding my point which is there are hundreds of scenarios that I can imagine where the virus can be brought into the country, unknowingly. The only way to stop that is stop all inbound flights, border crossings etc.

Just read that CDC says it is very possible that other health care workers might have been infected. Thomas Frieden just said that they need to "rethink" their approach to the virus. My translation...

Nobody really knows what to do although we've know this is a possibility, with Ebola, for years. Hell, They are euthanizing dogs in Spain because it's owner had Ebola.
This has the potential to turn into a total cluster fuck.

[Whirlaway]

Why am I not surprised that you like big government making decisions for you.

Originally Posted by WTF

Good thing we aren't leaving it up to the States then!



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[I B Hankering]

Nothing suggested is as extreme as measures taken in the past to contain a rampant, high mortality disease such as the plague:

Quarantine (from the Italian quarentina, meaning forty days [based on no scientific reason, but rather on the number of days the bible said Christ spent in the wilderness] for the time of isolation of ships entering harbor which were suspected of carrying some form of contagion) is only somewhat effective at the outset of an outbreak. In the fourteenth century, Milan, Florence, and Venice employed quarantines with a vengeance. The homes of sufferers were sealed—well and sick left to die for lack of food and water.
http://uhavax.hartford.edu/bugl/histepi.htm

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by boardman

Who is going to deny entry? The guy checking the passport? Dude is already here and potentially infected other passengers.

Do you declare your destination when you board a flight to leave this country?

You have a ticket to Country A. When you get to Country A, you have or get a ticket to the U.S., and present your passport and ticket TO COUNTRY A ...

.. the gate agent in Country A tells you, you are prohibited from traveling to US. (Post-911 .. "we" can't track travelers?????)

The Brits are doing it, and i think France. "We can't"????

BTW: The Brits also just rounded up SOME MORE ISIS British assholes ..

"We can't"????

In case anyone has forgotten ...

.... coming to this country is NOT A RIGHT .. .it's a privilege.

Someone needs to tell that to the "Constitutional Law Professor"!!!

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Why am I not surprised that you like big government making decisions for you.

Same reason I'm not surprised you like State government making decisions for you.

I'm an open border guy....you know that! I would like to be the one to make my own decision on whether to travel or not. I really do not want either the State or Federal Government choosing for me.