Mass Shooting in Orlando

[Luke_Wyatt]

Originally Posted by Aoi

Did you not read the part where I said this incident and banning Muslims are not mutually exclusive?

I said we should ban Muslims to prevent MORE from coming in. We probably already have Muslims who hate America living here right now. Why the fuck would we want to bring in more physical bodies?

How do you ban US citizens? You do understand I'm talking about MIGRANTS, right?

Nobody from Syria should be here. They can all stay there. Fuck them all.

For FUCKS SAKE, learn how to read!

WTF would banning future muslims if we have 3.3 million muslims already here that are citizens- so there's 3.3 million potential people who can repeat the crime- it's a stupid ass argument on your point- this massacre could have been done by anyone.

[Permission Granted]

I'm going to step in and voice my opinion, which I have yet to see... instead of banning people or guns, simply allow guns everywhere... wait, don't criticize just yet...

How many mass shootings have taken place in Gun Free zones... schools, bars, theatres, places where guns are banned. Shooters know where there ishould less or no resistance... If guno were not banned in certainew locations, SOMEONE with a carry permit would have returned fire and ended many of these mass shooting situations before half as many people died.

If the second ammendment makes guns legal, they should be legal everywhere!

Also, background checks need to be improved. If this guy was interviewed and investigated by the FBI, he should have had a waiting period to purchase his firearms. Flag the FBI and tell them to reinvestigate... no, I didn't say anyone under investigation should be banned from purchasing a firearm, but maybe if you've been looked at in the past, you're going to require a more stringent and thorough check.

[Luke_Wyatt]

Originally Posted by Permission Granted

I'm going to step in and voice my opinion, which I have yet to see... instead of banning people or guns, simply allow guns everywhere... wait, don't criticize just yet...

How many mass shootings have taken place in Gun Free zones... schools, bars, theatres, places where guns are banned. Shooters know where there ishould less or no resistance... If guno were not banned in certainew locations, SOMEONE with a carry permit would have returned fire and ended many of these mass shooting situations before half as many people died.

If the second ammendment makes guns legal, they should be legal everywhere!

This was mentioned already, but let's be honest would you think it's a good idea if people were allowed to bring guns to a nightclub, to a concert, etc? Bad idea- there are just some places where you can't have guns.

[Permission Granted]

Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

This was mentioned already, but let's be honest would you think it's a good idea if people were allowed to bring guns to a nightclub, to a concert, etc? Bad idea- there are just some places where you can't have guns.

I disagree... I'd rather have an accident with some dumbest probably shooting himself... then take away his guns because he's now not worthy of a permit to carry, instead of knowing nobody has a gun and everyone is a target.

Perhaps guns in bars and con certs might even be a deterrent to other minor crimes..

[Poppa_Viagra]

As the story develops, as the news people (not the stenographers) get the details in place and the fact checking done, we'll all be amazed at how bad the shooting was, how poorly the police responded (same as with Columbine, hunker down waiting for the cavalry)and how obviously radicalized the bad guy was.
Hindsight being 20/20 and all, but can anyone make a reasonable case for letting in thousands of unvetted "refugees" from the middle east in the country?

[Luke_Wyatt]

Originally Posted by Poppa_Viagra

As the story develops, as the news people (not the stenographers) get the details in place and the fact checking done, we'll all be amazed at how bad the shooting was, how poorly the police responded (same as with Columbine, hunker down waiting for the cavalry)and how obviously radicalized the bad guy was.
Hindsight being 20/20 and all, but can anyone make a reasonable case for letting in thousands of unvetted "refugees" from the middle east in the country?

This guy was a US CITIZEN born here- you are comparing apples to oranges and you are assuming because he's muslim then by default a refugee who happens to be muslim will carry out this attack- jeez you don't get it.

[DarkeyKong]

Originally Posted by Poppa_Viagra

can anyone make a reasonable case for letting in thousands of unvetted "refugees" from the middle east in the country?

No

[skirtchaser79411]

armed trained guard at the door

[Luke_Wyatt]

Originally Posted by skirtchaser79411

armed trained guard at the door

seriously? So if he gets out the car walks toward the door with an oversized shirt on quickly takes out the rifle and takes out the armed guard- goes in and starts spraying everyone in site- how does that solve the problem?

[Crzytxn]

I dont usually get involved in theses discussions....but. I do believe in the fact that having more people armed COULD reduce this type of violence. These folks committing these acts, I believe look for the point of least resistance. I believe they might reconsider, walking into any venue where folks would likely be armed. And even if they did....its likely someone carrying a weapon would terminate the threat.
Of Course that brings up the issue of the armed citizen,being mentally and or physically able to use the weapon and take another life. Hell most folks I know who carry a gun. Have very little training> Nor do they train and practice with their weapon. But that is another story

[Tx Noob]

Originally Posted by Aoi

And Muslims hate that we have these freedoms.

Stop trying to disassociate ISIS with Islam. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has a PHD in Islamic studies. I'm pretty sure he knows it better than you do. And he's okay to burn people alive.

So freakin' what? Josef Mengele, who also had a PHD, tortured, mutilated, and killed millions of people in the name of science. His ideology told him that was ok. Doesn't make it right.

There's a difference between someone who practices a religion peacefully and someone who shoots up a gay nightclub because his religion outlaws homosexuals. If he did the same thing in Damascus while Assad was still in power, do you think he would be rewarded? No, he would be thrown in jail and probably executed without a trial.

The only thing I'm trying to say is that this guy was a psycho. Pure and simple. ISIS was founded by and is run by religious fanatics and psychotics. It is not representative of the religion of Islam any more than Fruit of Islam is.

Please do not misunderstand me, sir. For the record, I am a Christian who was raised as a Southern Baptist. However, we are all God's children and I do not believe that an entire group of people should be condemned for the actions of a few.

[Luke_Wyatt]

Originally Posted by Crzytxn

I dont usually get involved in theses discussions....but. I do believe in the fact that having more people armed COULD reduce this type of violence. These folks committing these acts, I believe look for the point of least resistance. I believe they might reconsider, walking into any venue where folks would likely be armed. And even if they did....its likely someone carrying a weapon would terminate the threat.
Of Course that brings up the issue of the armed citizen,being mentally and or physically able to use the weapon and take another life. Hell most folks I know who carry a gun. Have very little training> Nor do they train and practice with their weapon. But that is another story

if that were the case Dallas and Houston would have low homicide rates when both cities have laws which allow citizens to have guns. They have done many reports on violent crime f states that allow concealed weapons and states that don't and concluded that states with gun permits don't affect crime:https://www.texastribune.org/2015/09...nt-affect-cri/

[Tx Noob]

Originally Posted by Crzytxn

I dont usually get involved in theses discussions....but. I do believe in the fact that having more people armed COULD reduce this type of violence. These folks committing these acts, I believe look for the point of least resistance. I believe they might reconsider, walking into any venue where folks would likely be armed. And even if they did....its likely someone carrying a weapon would terminate the threat.
Of Course that brings up the issue of the armed citizen,being mentally and or physically able to use the weapon and take another life. Hell most folks I know who carry a gun. Have very little training> Nor do they train and practice with their weapon. But that is another story

Remember when that group of idiots tried to bum rush that Muhammad drawing contest in Garland a couple of years ago? They thought is was going to be like it was over in France with Charlie(?) magazine? Welcome to Texas boys; we have guns here too. And just so you know,we shoot back and ask questions later!

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

WTF would banning future muslims if we have 3.3 million muslims already here that are citizens- so there's 3.3 million potential people who can repeat the crime- it's a stupid ass argument on your point- this massacre could have been done by anyone.

Do you just not understand basic Arithmetics? If you have 3.3 million Muslims and you bring in 1 million MORE Muslims, you have MORE chances of potential terrorists.

Seriously, how old are you? How are you so stupid that you can't even separate the argument?

Go back to school. Even with common core, I'm sure you can learn to add.

This guy was a US CITIZEN born here- you are comparing apples to oranges and you are assuming because he's muslim then by default a refugee who happens to be muslim will carry out this attack- jeez you don't get it.

Ban Muslims. Because you don't know math.

So freakin' what? Josef Mengele, who also had a PHD, tortured, mutilated, and killed millions of people in the name of science. His ideology told him that was ok. Doesn't make it right.

My point is that, people like you always defend Islam as something other than an inherently violent religion. History has proven why this is wrong. What is going on right now in the ME proves this is wrong. What happened to this club, Brussels, Paris, 911, etc etc proves that Islam is a religion of conquest, subjugation and discrimination. And Baghdadi actually having scholarly backing on this and still doing it, proves this. It's not right at all. You know what religion says it's right to kill people?

ISLAM.

There's a difference between someone who practices a religion peacefully and someone who shoots up a gay nightclub because his religion outlaws homosexuals. If he did the same thing in Damascus while Assad was still in power, do you think he would be rewarded? No, he would be thrown in jail and probably executed without a trial.

There's a difference between individuals who assimilate into Western culture and freedoms VS individuals who practice the religion down to it's core scriptures. Islam is not a fucking religion of peace. Get that through your head. Islam is evil.

The only thing I'm trying to say is that this guy was a psycho. Pure and simple. ISIS was founded by and is run by religious fanatics and psychotics. It is not representative of the religion of Islam any more than Fruit of Islam is.

More progressive bullshit. This guy was not a psycho. He was of sound-mind. He was brown, raised and even assimilated into Western culture. ISIS was founded by a man who wants to literally practice Islam down to its core. Just like Al-Queda and other terrorist cells. Are they all just a bunch of nutjob, or do you think, maybe, just MAYBE, there is some truth in what they believe about chopping off heads? This isn't some fringe group. This is ISLAM. Stop defending this death group. You don't have to pretend to be morally superior by trying to disassociate ISIS with Islam. The two are very linked.

Please do not misunderstand me, sir. For the record, I am a Christian who was raised as a Southern Baptist. However, we are all God's children and I do not believe that an entire group of people should be condemned for the actions of a few.

I am not condemning an entire group of Muslims. Why the fuck does everyone have to turn to this argument? I'm saying ISLAM is an evil religion. I'm saying that you CAN associate Islam to the violence that they have brought upon to others because it keeps fucking happening. Stop with the bullshit straw man arguments and actually pay attention to what is going on.

Islam is an evil religion. The people who practice the religion peacefully are actually the true "radicals" because they don't do everything they are told to do. Pull your head out of your ass.

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

seriously? So if he gets out the car walks toward the door with an oversized shirt on quickly takes out the rifle and takes out the armed guard- goes in and starts spraying everyone in site- how does that solve the problem?

Geee. A man wearing an oversized shirt comes skulking towards a club. I'm sure the armed guards who are trained to be ready for situations involving hostiles will not see that coming!

Do you know anything about how guns work? First of all, you';re not going to hide a rifle in a shirt. That's stupid. And second, the moment the guards see something like this, they're going to draw and prepare to down before he steps within spitting distance of the door.