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no one can deny that islam as it's practised is an evil fucking religion. it can be argued with some merit that it's an inherently militant religion since it's creation. but so were the rest of monotheistic religions (as well as the atheistic ones aka communism) at some point or the other in the last 2000 yrs. for those denying christian barbarity, read up on the religion's role in spread of imperialism in the americas. oh, or are we gonna let that slide since it only affected those non-white savages? also arent we conveniently forgetting the murder of 6 million jews by neo christian knights aka nazis?
perhaps we should ban introverted students in schools and crazy looking phd students in movie theaters...that should help with all the mass murder in our schools and movie theaters. that isnt any more simplistic than the prescriptions put forth by the trump supporters.
Christianity was not the predominant reason for imperialism or colonization of weaker less developed nations. You may want to actually read a history book before actually talking about it. Western European countries took over various parts of the world for one reason and one reason only. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Especially during the Industrial Revolution when natural resources were desperately needed to fuel the growing industrial economies of Great Britain, France, Germany, etc.
Meanwhile it's actually specifically listed as to when military force is ok to use. Let's not pretend that Islam suddenly just spread from the Arabian peninsula to other parts of the world peacefully. That is a load of politically correct bullshit. In the early 600s Mohammad united the Arabian peninsula through a series of bloody conquests all in the name of uniting the pagan Arabs under the one true religion of Islam. After he passed away in 632, the caliphates after him continued his conquest to make Islam one of the fastest spreading religions ever, and also created one of the largest land empires ever (which eventually later became known as the Ottoman Empire).
And this is the actual prophet that Muslims hold so dear to their heart, along with various others who were direct descendants or somehow legally related to him (caliphates are akin to religious/political leaders). Yeah Christianity has done some seriously bad shit during it's time, but the body count of Christianity vs Islam isn't even the same stratosphere.
I mean fucking seriously, name me one religion that over the span of 1500 years has subjugated entire nations by force, and invaded other areas of the world all in the name of spreading their religion. You can't name anything else other than Islam. Period.
Christianity was not the predominant reason for imperialism or colonization of weaker less developed nations. You may want to actually read a history book before actually talking about it. Western European countries took over various parts of the world for one reason and one reason only. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
you might want to parse what I actually wrote - "christianity's role in spread of imperialism". not that christianity was the predominant reason why the colonialists did what they did. they were motivated by gold as anyone else in history...my point was that islam's not the first nor the only religion to be used for conquest of others. as far as me reading a book, I suggest you read one instead: william prescott's history of conquest of mexico and peru.
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Meanwhile it's actually specifically listed as to when military force is ok to use. Let's not pretend that Islam suddenly just spread from the Arabian peninsula to other parts of the world peacefully. That is a load of politically correct bullshit. In the early 600s Mohammad united the Arabian peninsula through a series of bloody conquests all in the name of uniting the pagan Arabs under the one true religion of Islam. After he passed away in 632, the caliphates after him continued his conquest to make Islam one of the fastest spreading religions ever, and also created one of the largest land empires ever (which eventually later became known as the Ottoman Empire).
And this is the actual prophet that Muslims hold so dear to their heart, along with various others who were direct descendants or somehow legally related to him (caliphates are akin to religious/political leaders). Yeah Christianity has done some seriously bad shit during it's time, but the body count of Christianity vs Islam isn't even the same stratosphere.
I mean fucking seriously, name me one religion that over the span of 1500 years has subjugated entire nations by force, and invaded other areas of the world all in the name of spreading their religion. You can't name anything else other than Islam. Period.
I dont deny the origins of islam and how it spread like wildfire in the subsequent 5 centuries throughout the world, by sword and terror. you also wont hear me denying the barbaric, supremacist nature of that religion and the destruction and havoc wrecked by it's adherents through the centuries. it cannot be a mere coincidence that it still treats women and non-muslims like chattel and that it's adherents are continually in conflict with others, no matter where they live. I am however saying let's not give ourselves a free pass pretending the history of christianity was one of love for fellow human beings and nothing but.
and yeah, I still maintain that trump supporters are self serving hypocrites.
It's the truth. Ali said more inflammatory things about whites than Trump said about.. anyone.
Can't handle the truth?
Let's all stop sucking his dead dick. Guy was a piece of shit.
Can you quote what he said that was inflammatory or were they the truth from his personal experience?
I am still waiting on you to quote the verse about infidels being killed.
you might want to parse what I actually wrote - "christianity's role in spread of imperialism". not that christianity was the predominant reason why the colonialists did what they did. they were motivated by gold as anyone else in history...my point was that islam's not the first nor the only religion to be used for conquest of others. as far as me reading a book, I suggest you read one instead: william prescott's history of conquest of mexico and peru.
I dont deny the origins of islam and how it spread like wildfire in the subsequent 5 centuries throughout the world, by sword and terror. you also wont hear me denying the barbaric, supremacist nature of that religion and the destruction and havoc wrecked by it's adherents through the centuries. it cannot be a mere coincidence that it still treats women and non-muslims like chattel and that it's adherents are continually in conflict with others, no matter where they live. I am however saying let's not give ourselves a free pass pretending the history of christianity was one of love for fellow human beings and nothing but.
and yeah, I still maintain that trump supporters are self serving hypocrites.
The issue is that Christianity has had one single instance of it being utilized on a mass scale in an organized manner to support a large scale military effort. There are countless of events throughout history (and not even contained to 5 centuries, we're talking about as recent as the past 10 years) where the religion of Islam has been utilized to organized a wide scale military effort. The two are not the same, not even close. Don't even try and compare them because it's not even the remotely same comparison.
And believe me I've read plenty of books about history including that one. That was my actual major when I was in college. I don't actual work in the history field today, but I'm certainly far more educated on it then most people.
Can you quote what he said that was inflammatory or were they the truth from his personal experience?
I am still waiting on you to quote the verse about infidels being killed.
Ali - Google is your friend. And I don't care about personal experience. He was a racist turd.
Koran - Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Or, you know, we could remove all the stupid activist college professors who go around teaching about how evil America is, despite working at an American college, getting paid for by American tax dollars and enjoying American freedoms and benefits.
Trump supporters just want to stop this political correctness bullshit. Call the spade, a spade. Or in this case, call Islam for what it is - an evil death cult responsible for the overwhelming majority of the world's war-related deaths.
And as Chung said, the left will always sugarcoat it as "We can't say this about -X- group of people" It's a stupid straw man because they don't want to acknowledge that, yes, some beliefs are inherently evil, Islam being one of them! The left is one of the reasons why America is in such a shit hole now. Shit like the trans movement, SJWs, constant Muslim dick sucking and BLM is why people are getting sick of liberalism. That's just to name a few.
Facts and logic. God, I hate being right.
typical trump supporter logic: start with the strawman that america is in a shithole now, ignoring all hard evidence that points to the contrary. then get agitated and blame it all on their favorite bogeyman, again paying no attention to history or even assigning blame where it rightly belongs. then declare victory. I guess there is a logic behind it: if mr cheetos got as far as he did employing these tactics, it should be good enough for his supporters.
typical trump supporter logic: start with the strawman that america is in a shithole now, ignoring all hard evidence that points to the contrary. then get agitated and blame it all on their favorite bogeyman, again paying no attention to history or even assigning blame where it rightly belongs. then declare victory. I guess there is a logic behind it: if mr cheetos got as far as he did employing these tactics, it should be good enough for his supporters.
Really? So, our national debt isn't at 20 trillion? Racism is worse than ever since the civil rights movement? immigration is well above 10 million? Obamacare isn't forced down our throats? Job participation is worse than ever? Jobs are going overseas every day? Schools are being forced to let boys use girls restroom bc they feel like it? Political correctness isn't rampant and ruining things?
Islamic terrorist didn't just kill 50 people because they were gay, which, btw, the religion has a habit of throwing off buildings?
You really don't know anything, huh?
Typical libtard. Doesn't know anything and wants to say it's some right-wing conspiracy. Newsflash, Just because you attached a word to something, doesn't mean it's somehow no longer valid. Similarly,just because Obama says something facisiously, doesn't mean it's not true.
Are you on drugs? Even right wing nut job Republicans like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan admit he's a racist.
Mitt Romney is the shame of a nation. And Paul Ryan is so afraid of confrontation by the left that he'll take it up the ass by the left.. like he is now.
But, go ahead. Cite some things that Trump said that was racist.
Completely wrong. Some Places the constitution uses the word ”citizens." Most, it uses "persons." It has been recognized for almost 200 years that many provisions if the constitution apply to all persons in the US. Indeed, with some amendments in the Bill of Rights -- most notably the Fourth Amendment -- we have evidence that the framers tried to restrict the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures to citizens (as Massachusetts constitution did) and those efforts were rejected.
Completely wrong. Some Places the constitution uses the word ”citizens." Most, it uses "persons." It has been recognized for almost 200 years that many provisions if the constitution apply to all persons in the US. Indeed, with some amendments in the Bill of Rights -- most notably the Fourth Amendment -- we have evidence that the framers tried to restrict the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures to citizens (as Massachusetts constitution did) and those efforts were rejected.
Citizens, persons. doesn't matter. It means people who live here legally.
Bottom line, if you're an immigrant living here illegally or if you're a migrant trying to get it, you don't get the privileges we have.
Are you on drugs? Even right wing nut job Republicans like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan admit he's a racist.
the only thing I would believe from those two, is admitting as a pair they fucked up the Republican party losing to Obama in 2012, and continue to fuck the party whining about 2016.
Are you on drugs? Even right wing nut job Republicans like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan admit he's a racist.
if Trump's a racist, you aren't a lawyer.
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Mitt Romney is the shame of a nation. And Paul Ryan is so afraid of confrontation by the left that he'll take it up the ass by the left.. like he is now.
But, go ahead. Cite some things that Trump said that was racist.
I am waiting.
you'll be waiting a long time ..
those crickets sound mighty relaxing
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the only thing I would believe from those two, is admitting as a pair they fucked up the Republican party losing to Obama in 2012, and continue to fuck the party whining about 2016.
