Mike Pence To America: Trump Never Said Those Things He Said (He also tried to convince everyone Hillary Clinton is the really offensive candidate in the race.)

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Asfaloth54

....Public and Private charities operate under significantly different rules. Public charities like the Clintons request donations directly - and then forward them directly to the Charity. They do not create or operate endowments that only serve to take a bigger piece of the donations and keep them away from those they are meant to serve.

If the Clinton Foundation was merely a conduit taking donations and forwarding them directly to the Charity, it wouldn't need 2,000+ employees nor would it have spent all of the following amounts in 2014:

$95.9M in salaries
$17.2M in consulting
$14.2M in events
$20.8M in travel
$2.8M in telecom
$13.5M in training
$7.3M in rent
$7.8M in office expenses

You are correct that public and private foundations operate under different rules. Indeed, the regulations governing a private foundation are signficantly stricter. That's precisely why the Clinton Foundation was set up as a public charity – so Slick Willy and hildebeest could get away with more corruption!

Btw, you clearly don't understand how endowments work. They typically have LOWER overheads and take a SMALLER slice of donations/grants, not a bigger one. Private endowed foundations are the ones who act primarily as a conduit, in contrast to the Clinton Foundation model where a vast operating staff is hired to run every "charity" from A to Z.

[Asfaloth54]

Originally Posted by lustylad

It wasn't a lie, asshole. Charity Navigator refused to rate the Clinton Foundation from April 2015 until last month, when (unbeknownst to me) they succumbed to the relentless pressure of Clinton's thugs and agreed to rate it again.

Yeah, I have the integrity to acknowledge this. Do you have the integrity to acknowledge I was correct for 17 months? Or would you rather lie and call me a liar?

All you had to do was check your facts before posting. Then you wouldn't have looked either stupid or dishonest. Perhaps you'll do better next time.

And now that I've educated you on the fact that Charity Navigator gives the CF superlative marks, you'll now pretend they were never the 'gold standard' all along? Lol.

[Asfaloth54]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

You are the one using them, not me

I merely gave examples of rating failures

You ignored the questions regarding what is known by you of their procedures

I haven't ignored your self-serving end around. I asked you if you had any credible evidence to impugn the ratings supplied by either the AIP or CN, and your response was to change the subject to Wall Street rating services. And you provided no evidence of any rating service failures - only your unsupported opinion. I'm afraid you'll have to do better than that.

I know absolutely nothing about the specific procedures of the AIP or CN. The reasonable default position therefore is to assume their practices are valid until someone presents credible evidence to the contrary. You have had ample time to present any evidence that a reasonable person would consider, and yet you haven't. Why is that? You seem like an actual adult, which is refreshing amid the detritus of booger-eating Neanderthals that people this board.

All you have to do is present valid, objective evidence that AIP and CN employ bad practices in their ratings. Of course, you'd then have to ask 'lustylad' why he claimed that Charity Navigator was the 'gold standard' of charity rating agencies.

[Asfaloth54]

Originally Posted by lustylad

If the Clinton Foundation was merely a conduit taking donations and forwarding them directly to the Charity, it wouldn't need 2,000+ employees nor would it have spent all of the following amounts in 2014:

$95.9M in salaries
$17.2M in consulting
$14.2M in events
$20.8M in travel
$2.8M in telecom
$13.5M in training
$7.3M in rent
$7.8M in office expenses

You are correct that public and private foundations operate under different rules. Indeed, the regulations governing a private foundation are signficantly stricter. That's precisely why the Clinton Foundation was set up as a public charity – so Slick Willy and hildebeest could get away with more corruption!

Btw, you clearly don't understand how endowments work. They typically have LOWER overheads and take a SMALLER slice of donations/grants, not a bigger one. Private endowed foundations are the ones who act primarily as a conduit, in contrast to the Clinton Foundation model where a vast operating staff is hired to run every "charity" from A to Z.

And still, you have nothing to say about your original claim that Charity Navigator is the absolute best rating agency for charities. Back-tracking? Now that they haven't indulged your hoped for confirmation bias, will you now flip flop on your claim? Charity Navigator are now the evil sycophants of the Clintons? Dude, you don't have the game for this.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Asfaloth54

All you had to do was check your facts before posting. Then you wouldn't have looked either stupid or dishonest. Perhaps you'll do better next time.

And now that I've educated you on the fact that Charity Navigator gives the CF superlative marks, you'll now pretend they were never the 'gold standard' all along? Lol.

Stop pounding your chest like cheetah, you ugly chimp. My facts were entirely correct until last month. Now would you care to explain why Charity Navigator refused to rate the Clinton Family Crime Foundation for 17 long months? Or do you lack the integrity to do that?

[canuckeight]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Stop pounding your chest like cheetah, you ugly chimp. My facts were entirely correct until last month. Now would you care to explain why Charity Navigator refused to rate the Clinton Family Crime Foundation for 17 long months? Or do you lack the integrity to do that?

See how these assholes never reply.

[Asfaloth54]

Are you seriously this ignorant as to how 'sources' work??

'Correct the Record' is not the 'source' of my claims about AIP and CN. The 'sources' are the actual websites of AIP and CN - which claim that the CF is among the most ethical and giving charities they know of. Can you offer any refutation of the claims made by either AIP or CN?

So far, this is just you pretending to win an argument you are apparently too dense to understand - or you're just being disingenuous. Are you running for office?

Your whining about Correct the Record is equivalent to arguing that "Hitler once said the sun rises in the east. That means the sun rises in the west, because I hate Hitler and Hitler lies!"

That's a childs argument.

[Asfaloth54]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Stop pounding your chest like cheetah, you ugly chimp. My facts were entirely correct until last month. Now would you care to explain why Charity Navigator refused to rate the Clinton Family Crime Foundation for 17 long months? Or do you lack the integrity to do that?

Lol. Your claim is now "Hey, I was right about the past, just not the present. And I was too intellectually lazy to bother checking my facts, because it was more important for me to call posters childish names since I'm not smart enough to rebut their arguments."

Well done.

[canuckeight]

Originally Posted by Asfaloth54

Are you seriously this ignorant as to how 'sources' work??

'Correct the Record' is not the 'source' of my claims about AIP and CN. The 'sources' are the actual websites of AIP and CN - which claim that the CF is among the most ethical and giving charities they know of. Can you offer any refutation of the claims made by either AIP or CN?

So far, this is just you pretending to win an argument you are apparently too dense to understand - or you're just being disingenuous. Are you running for office?

Your whining about Correct the Record is equivalent to arguing that "Hitler once said the sun rises in the east. That means the sun rises in the west, because I hate Hitler and Hitler lies!"

That's a childs argument.

IDK, maybe why Haitians are pissed at Clinton's. And these POS are at it again.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presid...cing-haitians/

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Asfaloth54

Lol. Your claim is now "Hey, I was right about the past, just not the present. And I was too intellectually lazy to bother checking my facts, because it was more important for me to call posters childish names since I'm not smart enough to rebut their arguments."

So you're admitting you have no integrity! Once again, you're too chickenshit to touch the question of WHY did Charity Navigator put the Clinton Foundation on their Watch List for 9 months and refuse to rate them for 17 months! That might raise some awkward and uncomfortable questions for you, right Ass-sloth?

And why won't you address the substance of my posts #45-46? Is it because you're not smart enough to rebut my arguments?

[Asfaloth54]

Originally Posted by canuckeight

IDK, maybe why Haitians are pissed at Clinton's. And these POS are at it again.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presid...cing-haitians/

Dude, seriously. Lol.

First - it's Breitbart. Just as much of a conservative shill as Rachel Maddow is a liberal buffoon.

You might as well 'support' the argument that the Holocaust never happened by quoting Mein Kampf.

Further, his 'evidence' comes from 'scores of angry Haitians'. Yes, when I want the facts on corruption, I always consider the unsupported rantings of angry people first....

For his claims to be true, both the American Institute of Philanthropy and Charity National would have to be committing fraud in their claims that the Clinton Foundation gets more money to the people in need than over 90% of other charities. No one can support that claim. Can you? Or do you let Breitbart do your thinking for you?

Arguments are won when honest, non-partisan or bi-partisan sources agree. Liberals and Conservatives sticking their tongues out at each other with their favorite biased pundits is a fools game. Can you do better than this?

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Asfaloth54

Lol. Your claim is... I'm not smart enough to rebut their arguments."

REBUT THIS, ASS-SLOTH!!!

Originally Posted by lustylad

Here is a website that comprehensively catalogues all of the scandals that have come out regarding the Clinton Foundation to date. Even if you think you know all the dirt, you will find more here that you don't know. I took the time to list all of the individual topics so everyone can quickly find what they are looking for.

WARNING - Most of you will need to take a shower and wash thoroughly after you read everything!


http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/f...82&category=79

• The Clinton Global Initiative
  
  
• Additional Programs of the Clinton Foundations
  
  
• An Apparent Quid Pro Quo Donation to the Clinton Foundations
  
  
• Collecting Donations to Fund the Clinton Presidential Library
  
  
• Donation to ACORN
  
  
• The Clintons Claim Tax Deductions for Donations They Made To Their Own Foundation
  
  
• The Foundation Refuses to Reveal Information About Its Lucrative Sale of Stock in a Firm With Ties to the Chinese Government
  
  
• Fiscal Mismanagement and Lucrative Sponsorships
  
  
• Muslim Brotherhood Connection
  
  
• Troubling Donors
  
  
• Overlap of Domestic Donors to the Clinton Foundation And Hillary Clinton's Political Campaigns
  
  
• Overlap of Key Personnel Involved With the Clinton Foundation and Clinton Political Campaigns
  
  
• 2011-2013
  
  
• Donors to the Clinton Foundation Receive Prestigious State Department Awards
  
  
• Clinton Foundation Spends Little of Its Revenues On Direct Aid
  
  
• The Clinton Foundation Misreports Tens of Millions of Dollars It Received From Foreign Governments
  
  
• Hillary Resigns From Clinton Foundation Board
  
  
• Quid Pro Quo: Donations to the Clinton Foundation In Return for Policy Favors
  
  
• The Clinton Foundation Rakes In Millions of Dollars, While Helping Russia Gain Control of 20% of US Uranium Reserves
  
  
• Overlap Between the Clinton Foundation and Hillary Clinton's Political Campaigns
  
  
• Criminals on the Clinton Foundation's Board of Trustees
  
  
• Donations from George Stephanopoulus, Longtime Clinton Ally-Turned-Newsman
  
  
• Donations from Numerous Media Organizations and Individuals
  
  
• $26 Million In Previously Undisclosed Income
  
  
• Clinton State Department Awarded Billions In Arms Deals to Human-Rights-Violating-Governments That Donated to the Clinton Foundation
  
  
  
• 21 Major Revelations In Clinton Cash, by Peter Schweizer:

1. Clintons Bagged at Least $3.4 Million for 18 Speeches Funded by Keystone Pipeline Banks
   
   
2. Clinton Foundation Shook Down a Tiny Tsunami Relief Nonprofit for a $500,000 Speaking Fee
   
   
3. Clinton Foundation “Strong-Armed” Charity Watchdog Group
   
   
4. Hillary Clinton’s State Dept. Gave Clinton Foundation Donors Weapons Deals
   
   
5. Clintons Hid 1,100 Foreign Donor Names in Violation of Ethics Agreement with Obama Admin.
   
   
6. At Least 181 Clinton Foundation Donors Lobbied Hillary’s State Dept.
   
   
7. Two of Hillary Clinton’s Top Donors Were Major Felons
   
   
8. Clintons’ Charity Scored Millions from Qatar and Donations from Corrupt FIFA Soccer Organization
   
   
9. The Clintons’ Have a Secret “Pass-Through” Company—WJC, LLC
   
   
10. Hillary Funneled $10K Monthly Payments to Sidney Blumenthal Through Clinton Foundation
    
    
11. Bill Clinton Scored a $500,000 Speech in Moscow Paid for by a Kremlin-backed Bank
    
    
12. Hillary Clinton’s Brother Sits on the Board of a Mining Co. that Received a Coveted Haitian “Gold Exploitation Permit” that Has Only Twice Been Awarded in 50 Years. Rodham Met the Mining Executive in Charge of the Company at a Clinton Foundation Event
    
    
13. Court Proceedings Reveal Hillary’s Brother Claimed Admits Clinton Foundation and the Clintons Are Key to His Haiti Connections
    
    
14. Clinton Foundation Violated Memorandum of Understanding with the Obama Admin. by Keeping Secret a Foreign Donation of Two Million Shares of Stock from a Foreign Executive with Business Before Hillary’s State Dept.
    
    
15. Hillary Clinton’s Campaign Claims She Had No Idea Her State Dept. Was Considering Approving the Transfer of 20% of U.S. Uranium to the Russian Govt.—Even as the Clinton Foundation Bagged $145 Million in Donations from Investors in the Deal
    
    
16. A For-Profit University Put Bill Clinton on Its Payroll and Scored a Jump in Funding from Hillary Clinton’s State Dept.* When Clinton Cash Revealed the Scheme, Bill Clinton Quickly Resigned
    
    
17. The Head of the Russian Govt’s Uranium Company Ian Telfer Made Secret Donations Totaling $2.35 Million to the Clinton Foundation—as Hillary Clinton’s State Dept. Approved the Transfer of 20% of All U.S. Uranium to the Russians
    
    
18. Bill and Hillary Clinton Have Made at Least $26 Million in Speaking Fees from Entities Who Are Top Clinton Foundation Donors
    
    
19. Former Clinton Campaign Operative-Turned-ABC News Host George Stephanopoulos Failed to Disclose His $75,000 Donation and Deep Involvement in the Clinton Foundation Before Launching an Attack Interview Against Clinton Cash Author
    
    
20. Clinton Foundation Mega Donor Frank Holmes Claimed He Sold Uranium One Before Hillary Clinton’s State Dept. Approved the Russian Transfer—Despite His Company’s Own SEC Filings Proving Otherwise
    
    
21. Hillary’s Foundation Accepted $1 Million from Human Rights Violator Morocco for a Lavish Event

• Accepting Donations From Anti-Gay African Church
  
  
• The Clinton Foundation's Secretive Activities In Sweden
  
  
• "This Charity Is a Fraud"
  
  
• Hacked DNC Memo Reveals Multitude of Clinton Froundation Scandals
  
  
• Clinton Foundation's Canadian Affiliate Spends More Than 70% On Overhead

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Asfaloth54

Dude, seriously. Lol.

First - it's Breitbart. Just as much of a conservative shill as Rachel Maddow is a liberal buffoon.

You might as well 'support' the argument that the Holocaust never happened by quoting Mein Kampf.

Further, his 'evidence' comes from 'scores of angry Haitians'. Yes, when I want the facts on corruption, I always consider the unsupported rantings of angry people first....

For his claims to be true, both the American Institute of Philanthropy and Charity National would have to be committing fraud in their claims that the Clinton Foundation gets more money to the people in need than over 90% of other charities. No one can support that claim. Can you? Or do you let Breitbart do your thinking for you?

Arguments are won when honest, non-partisan or bi-partisan sources agree. Liberals and Conservatives sticking their tongues out at each other with their favorite biased pundits is a fools game. Can you do better than this?

You'd be the fool defending the Clintons, ass-sloth.

Clinton Foundation critics revive scrutiny of Haiti failures in hurricane aftermath

A small group of Haitian-Americans gathered outside the New York City offices of state Attorney General Eric Schneiderman Thursday to protest his refusal to look into the Clinton Foundation's finances. The same group, known as the Committee to Mobilize Against Dictatorship in Haiti, has held several demonstrations throughout the campaign in an attempt to highlight the foundation's failures.

Donald Trump brought up the bungled Haiti relief efforts during a campaign rally on Tuesday, arguing foundation donors "have seen the Clintons pave the way for their investments."

"In one deal, hildebeest set aside environmental and labor rules to help a South Korean company with a record of violating workers' rights set up what amounts to a sweat shop in Haiti," Trump said at the North Carolina event. "The facility has produced only a fraction of the jobs it promised and faces reports of wage theft. People are asking: where did all the money go?"

The foundation promised it would one day create up to 60,000 jobs for northern Haitians while revitalizing the country's flagging garment industry. As of September 2015 — three years after the park was completed and officially opened for business — it was home to just 8,648 jobs, according to a generous estimate from a local newspaper. Other estimates continue to place the number of jobs in the Caracol complex around 2,000.

When the Caracol Industrial Park finally opened for business in October 2012, hildebeest and Slick Willie the Perjuring Sexual Predator were joined by celebrities like Sean Penn, Ben Stiller, Donna Karan and Richard Branson for a star-studded ceremony that hailed the complex's opening as the dawn of a "new day" for Haiti. But the park has never come close to fulfilling those expectations. (The Washington Examiner)

[andymarksman]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

You'd be the partisan hack citing "Correct the Record" as a source to sustain your POS "opinion", ass-sloth, and it's a fact -- not an "opinion" -- that "Correct the Record" is a partisan propaganda wing of the Clinton political machine; hence, substantively worthless as justification for any rational "opinion".

BTW, ass-sloth, according to their 2014 returns, only 6% of the Fundation's funds was spent on anything like "charity".

So how about W's 2014 returns? The George W. Bush Foundation took in $66,833,696 in 2014 but only handed out $683,277 as "charity." That's a measly 1%, literally "penny on the dollar," isn't it? Care to explain why W isn't six times as "crooked" as the Clintons?


http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990...691.1475964263

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by andymarksman

So how about W's 2014 returns? The George W. Bush Foundation took in $66,833,696 in 2014 but only handed out $683,277 as "charity." That's a measly 1%, literally "penny on the dollar," isn't it? Care to explain why W isn't six times as "crooked" as the Clintons?


http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990...691.1475964263

Check again, Andy the Little Nazi Boy, 96% of hildebeest's charitable donations go to her own foundation which she treats like a piggy bank to pay for her first class travel arrangements and hotel accommodations and pay her sycophant friends to stay loyal to her. Furthermore, Andy the Little Nazi Boy, W isn't running for office, hildebeest is, and there are serious indicators that she was running a "pay to play" operation, Andy the Little Nazi Boy.