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Old 11-11-2016, 11:37 AM   #16
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Goodbye to The Rule of Law
Goodbye to consumer protection.
Is that what you call all the riots we've seen in the news the past few years? That's lawful?

You are delusional.
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Old 11-11-2016, 12:43 PM   #17
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Goodbye to The Rule of Law
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I don't think the Rule of Law was high on Hillary's list.
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Old 11-11-2016, 01:02 PM   #18
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Never was ...
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Old 11-11-2016, 05:06 PM   #19
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Big Louie, you have to be kidding when you say good bye to the rule of law.
This nation has become more and more lawless under the Obama regime and there is no disputing that.
Rul;e of law and Hillary gets a pass while some enlisted man takes some photos and goes to prison.
Rule of law and the idiots are out in hoards "protesting" the election and violating the law.
Rule of law where crony capitalism was rife under the Obama administration with so many people taking the 5th because they committed criminal acts and stole the taxpayers money, Solylndra http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...llion-solar-p/ .

What about Ferguson? Rule of law? Come on Big Louie you can do better than that.

Consumer protection?
Forcing consumers to pay ridiculous amounts for so called energy saving mandates without a say in the matter? Forcing consumers to use gasoline with ethanol where they get much less MPG and small engines get ruined. Driving up the price of food via using corm for fuel instead of food or feed.

I don't just blame Obama as the Bush's are or were just as much at fault. The ADA creating a whole new class of disabilities that put millions on the government tit because they don't want to work that could work. More people in the SS office applying for disability than retirement benefits.

Of course as a liberal you believe that the answer is more and higher taxes and bigger government. Well a whole lot of working people have had enough and are tired of constantly being told we need to be fair. I have no clue what your tax bill is every year but I will gladly trade mine for yours. I do not live in a macmansion, I live in the hood. I don't drive a new SUV, I have one that is over 13 years old and more than 200K miles. I am tired of writing huge checks to the government for what I perceive as a very poor return on my investment, what you liberals call taxes.

I really do not see much changing but I damn sure have some HOPE that there will be some CHANGE and it has to be better than what we have had the past 8 years. If it were not for private investment in the shale fields this nation would have been in the worst depression we would have ever seen and Obama did nothing to make that happen. He tried to cripple the industry.

The XL pipeline may be something that is not needed AT THIS TIME but it will be needed in the future and we could refine that heavy oil from our friends in Canada rather than from the commies in Venezuela. the only reason it was not built was to protect Warren Buffet and his railroad company that was transporting the oil via rail. This would have been a new much safer means of transporting the oil and protecting the environment from all the train crashes and spills as a result.

What I am hoping to see is less idiocy and more common sense.

Stop the ethanol subsidy that is stealing our money.
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:32 AM   #20
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I'm not really in favor of pipelines or fossil fuels. I'd rather see the market opened for alternative sources of energy. But not the cronyism so prevalent in the Obama administration. They used "clean energy" as an excuse to line the pockets of supporters.
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I am not opposed to innovation in energy at all. I am opposed to government mandates of which we have no say because they are carried out by non-elected bureaucrats.
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Old 11-13-2016, 11:52 AM   #22
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Trump and the Republicans want to do away with the ACA but what everyone does not seem to notice is that the Republicans in Congress have NO intention of replacing it with anything. You can forget Trump saying he will replace it with something better. Not only that but to make their budget work somewhat they are going to cut spending on medicare and all health plans in general and then protect the health care industry from any fall out. So if anyone on here has Obamacare aka ACA you can kiss it goodbye and any hope of getting health insurance for that matter.

What you are forgetting is that Obama and the Democrats in Congress forced Obamacare down our throats against the will of the American people and without a single Republican vote. The Republicans in Congress were not allowed any say in what was included in the ACA. Harry Reid used the budget reconciliation process, which like the so-called nuclear option only requires 51 votes in the Senate, to move the final reconciliation bill thru Congress so Obama could sign it into law.

If the Democrats in Congress want an alternative to the ACA, they will have to work with Trump and the Republicans in Congress. Trump and the Republicans are in the drivers seat now. As Obama so famously said "elections have consequences". If the Democrats are not willing to play ball, them fuck em. Mitch McConnell can pull a Harry Reid and find a way around the 60 vote margin in the Senate, to repeal Obamacare by imposing the nuclear option or using some parliamentary procedure like the budget reconciliation process.
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Hello OPTIMISM!

IT'S BEEN A LONG 8 years... Fuckem

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Old 11-13-2016, 02:24 PM   #24
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Goodbye to The Supreme Affirmative Action Hire of All Time.
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Hello, Fascism.

you two are an amusing bunch. you should get a room and console each other on the impending apocalypse bahahaa
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Old 11-13-2016, 05:42 PM   #26
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Good bye to all of Trump's campaign promises. He is walking back on just about everything.

Goodbye to Trump before his term is up. Fully expect the Republican establishment to remove him from office and put a tried and true down the line Republican Pence in his place
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Old 11-13-2016, 06:29 PM   #27
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Keystone is already obsolete. The people behind the project already admitted it. At $100 a barrel sure, at $25 no one wants it. Other better pipelines have come on line and rail traffic has picked up. You don't hear much anymore because it is a dead issue.

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Here are the cold hard facts... everyone is saying that there is no real need to do any more on Keystone. The situation changed.

Not sure where you get your info, LittlePhooey, but the WSJ disagrees with you and Trans-Canada still wants to complete the pipeline.

Anyone who professes to care about the environment should take note - "pipelines emit less carbon than rail systems and result in fewer spills."


A Keystone Resurrection

Trump should drop his royalties demand and revive this job creator.


Updated Nov. 11, 2016 7:52 p.m. ET

Donald Trump promised in his victory speech Tuesday that he will “rebuild our infrastructure, which will become, by the way, second to none.” Allow us to suggest a great place to start: Approving the Keystone XL pipeline that President Obama rejected to satisfy his climate friends.

TransCanada’s Keystone could carry some 830,000 barrels of oil a day from Alberta to Nebraska, and the company said in a statement this week that it is “fully committed” to building the pipeline. TransCanada said that it is “evaluating ways to engage the new administration on the benefits, the jobs and the tax revenues this project brings to the table.”

In 2015 TransCanada withdrew its route application after seven years of haggling with the Obama Administration, which rejected the pipeline despite favorable environmental reviews from its own State Department. President Obama said that approving Keystone would undercut U.S. “global leadership” on climate change. In other words, the President wanted leverage at the Paris climate drum circle—and Keystone would enrage Democratic campaign donors like Tom Steyer.

TransCanada has challenged the decision in federal court, and it is unclear if the company would be forced to restart the application process. Mr. Trump said in his campaign that he’d approve Keystone, but has also demanded royalty payments, a demand he should drop. By the company’s estimates the pipeline would add $3 billion to GDP, including millions in property taxes and create more than 40,000 jobs. Cost to taxpayers? $0.

Keystone fulfills several of Mr. Trump’s ostensible goals, including energy exploration. The pipeline could carry 100,000 barrels a day from North Dakota, which would encourage more development. And no one benefits more than America: 70% of refined products pumped through Keystone would stay in the U.S., according to a report last year from IHS, and that means consumers will enjoy lower prices. By the way, environmental objections were always bogus: Pipelines emit less carbon than rail systems and result in fewer spills.

All of this is also true for the Dakota Access pipeline, which could carry 500,000 barrels a day from the Bakken Shale to Illinois. The builder altered the route in North Dakota some 140 times to placate concerns from environmental outfits and the Standing Rock Sioux tribe, which sued. A federal judge ruled that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers had met its obligations under the law. Yet the Administration disregarded the rule of law—a judicial outcome in its favor—and halted construction.
For anyone mystified by Mr. Trump’s victory, these episodes are instructive: Progressives for eight years indulged the pipe dreams of wealthy environmentalists, even at the expense of growing the economy and helping middle-class Americans. Expedited approval for Keystone would be a down payment on the change in political culture that Mr. Trump has promised.

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Good bye to all of Trump's campaign promises. He is walking back on just about everything.

Goodbye to Trump before his term is up. Fully expect the Republican establishment to remove him from office and put a tried and true down the line Republican Pence in his place

So, you are saying the Congressional Republicans will impeach President Trump who is a Republican President? If you really believe this, then you are truly delusional.
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Old 11-13-2016, 09:11 PM   #29
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I have a feeling Trump is going to do a Robert Capra turn and walk back on almost all promises. He will be more liberal than the Republicans will like. Plus he does not seem to understand c conflict of interest. I just don't think the Republicans in the House and Senate will like the kinder, softer Trump and I fully expect them to try something drastic
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And Trump just appointed a person who describes himself as a "Leninist " and wants to destroy the Republican party. Yea that's going to be interesting.
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