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[Geeky80]

Thanks for the clarification ginger.

It would suck to get arrested but not prosecuted. That doesn't seem fair.

[Ginger Doll]

Originally Posted by TallAndSkinny

Thanks for the clarification ginger.

It would suck to get arrested but not prosecuted. That doesn't seem fair.

You're welcome! I used to believe what you did. Unfortunately, cops don't play by their own rules.

[cassie_love]

Originally Posted by Lea Madisson

Cassie and Blondie... it would be beneficial if you address the person you are talking to by their handle. Otherwise your post looks more like a ThreAD. Not illegal, just not in good form. It is too general and may be seen as an ad by others.

Thanks!!

Lea

Absolutely Lea. I apologize for that i see how it could be taken that way, didn't mean for it to come across that way.
I will definitely remember that tho.

[bluffcityguy]

Originally Posted by BBWDeAnna

#2. "Getting naked" is not a way to determine LE guy or girl...many many many agencies allow the undercover to get naked to get the bust..houston was notorious for this in the mid 2000"s..so a naked guy or girl does still not make them NOT LE... and rumornis some undercover guys have actually recieved a sexual act to make the bust..

Didn't happen in Arkansas, but back when I was a public defender in a middlin' sized midwestern city, I used to represent a lot of streetwalkers (and apparently was good enough that towards the end of my tenure in the office the ladies used to come in and specifically ask for me to represent them). While I was doing that, there was a period of time where a number of my streetwalker clients were coming in with complaints against a certain vice cop. Apparently, he'd pick them up in an undercover car, and receive a blowjob from them (for money, of course). Then later, he'd pick them up again, and the girls figured he was safe because they'd blown him once before, and that was when he'd bust them. Would have been a wonderful case to try (odds were good any given jury in that city would have been more than willing to acquit if we'd had any incontrovertible proof that he'd done that), but sadly we never did, it was just her word against his and none of those girls were really good witnesses. However, I heard too many stories about the same cop acting in the same way with too many different girls not to be convinced that was exactly what he was doing.

So, yeah, I'm sure it happens. OTOH, we're talking blowjobs from streetwalkers, in a city where the going rate for head in a car was about $20-25 a pop (pun intended ). I'm sure the cop in that case was using his own money in that case... OTOH I doubt that a vice cop is going to spend $100 or more to bust an escort using a similar method, and I doubt that his department would front him the money to do that, regardless of how successful a tactic it might be.

Cheers,

bcg

[BBWDeAnna]

Good point bluff...when htown was so H.O.T with le circa 2006-2010 or so..mainly 2007-2008..there was a known tatted up undercover who would make the date..show up..immediately get naked and lay the cash down and say that is for such and such sexual act..shortly after there would be a knock on the door and in would walk the calvary...there were reports they took it as far as getting touched and/or even getting a bj before the backup would arrive..who knows if that was fact..but was always told once they were in the room whether you agreed or not you took the ride downtown..I did hear of "tall tales" of LE entering but then having to admit to the lady they were LE and left because she had yet to commit a crime..true? Who knows..but I know and some ladies here can verify that LR is known for minimum tacking on a "operating a business without a license" charge..all hearsay from me as I have no first hand knowledge..but its used so even tho u may no agree to sex for money..u are still operating a business without a license..which incluses trying to claim u are just stripping. .just giving a massage..etc..

And thats just legit undercovers doing work..not to mention when reputable hobbyist or providers get flipped then it really makes things murky has happened most recently in Shreveport as well as in the past in S' port when a hotel manager would comp rooms for sex and got busted and flipped..there was also a story in that area of a sheriff deputy or something of the sorts being "hobby safe" and girls would vouch..now whether he was or wasnt at one time..it turned out he may see u once prolly on his dime..but next time.u usually found yourself busted

Now way back when 2001..2002 there was a firecracker known as cashmyr..who was said to have a very energetic and sexy "pat down" she performed when u walked in..the guys would rave that it was a helluva way to start a date with a lady they just met haha

[Jackinnlr]

So the questions that always come to my mind are: Do providors secretly video their sessions, for their own safety/satisfaction? Should there be a. requirement to inform the monger? Video is everywhere now days, cheap to install and a great bargaining chip.

[BBWDeAnna]

First..I am not sure what "safety" it would provide other than proof an illegal activity took place for the lady haha..as far as satisfaction...im not sure whats to be gained from that either..if u mean"satisfaction" as in to enjoy for viewing later..that is very highly unlikely...for obvious reasons

#2..if guys are seeing girls that may need a "bargaining chip" I would encourage those guys to see better quality professional ladies

#3 if they were secretly video a session and informed the monger it wouldnt be much of a secret would it haha?..I would think if someone is with a lady that needs bargaining chips and is secretly video taping dates all ethics is thrown out the window and any expectations of being informed of said video shouldn't be expected

However I would guess it like many things is a very good possibility to take place if the lady is less than a pro..

[Geeky80]

We can't avoid the arrest but we can avoid being the low hanging fruit as long as we are aware of the forbidden "sex for money" conversation. I heard about a guy that was using a bathroom in Vegas when a undercover female cop entered the men's room and asked him if he wanted a blow job. He said "no, but just curious, how much do they cost?". He was immediately arrested and later prosecuted successfully. Her wording would set off red flags in my head, now that I'm aware of the forbidden conversation.

I never meant getting naked proves one is NOT LE, but NOT getting naked and discussing the forbidden "sex for money" would be enough for me to panic and leave immediately. Anybody that sticks around is low hanging fruit. Anybody that has the forbidden conversation before the date even happens is already prosecutable when they enter the room.

[Geeky80]

Originally Posted by BBWDeAnna

.it turned out he may see u once prolly on his dime..but next time.u usually found yourself busted

Dang! - thats like South Park s13e09 hahaha. They emphasize the forbidden conversation in that episode as if trying to educate the audience about it.

[BBWDeAnna]

First based on your story..I think the red flag would be a woman walking in a mens bathroom offering blowjobs..one doesnt need to know not to discuss sex for money to know to avoid that bitch

Tall...you have to decide..are you wanting to avoid prosecution or arrest or both?..you keep mentioning avoiding sex for money and NOT being naked

The undercover cares not if you are prosecuted...he cares that you are arrested..police arrest..prosecutors prosecute...do police want valid charges? Sure we can think that...but nudity..the absence of nudity..discussions about sex while dressed or naked..will not prevent the arrest..trying to walk out the door will not allow you to avoid the arrest

And sorry I have never seen 1 ep of south park haha

[Geeky80]

Originally Posted by BBWDeAnna

are you wanting to avoid prosecution or arrest or both?

I'd LIKE to avoid both, but apparently that's not possible, so i'll settle for avoiding prosecution, or at least minimizing my chances by not being the low hanging fruit. You can't stop thieves from breaking into your car either, but you can avoid being the low hanging fruit by locking your doors. Locking my doors probably prevents 90% of theft from my car. I think we can make it hard enough on LE that it's not worth their time. We might become a victim of war when LE is after a felony pimp, but our chances of dying in a car wreck is probably higher.

Lets collect some opinions here. If a guy sees a new provider every month for 40 years, and does his screening every time, and avoids all prosecutable conversations, always uses eccie (never backpage or other websites), what do you think the chances are that he will get arrested at least once in that 40 years? i'm guessing 1%. I especially want to hear from the more experienced ladies and gents here. If anybody here has been arrested, i'd like to hear your story too.

[BBWDeAnna]

First..you wont find anyone more experienced than me in arkansas ...while there are well known providers that have been busted(in part because they knew it all and wouldnt listen)..it would be unusual for them to reveal their story..not unlikely just unusual..

We also need to remember that acting stressed. .nervous..jumpy or having alot or protocol or thoughts on conversations..nudity and whether it could mean LE or not can completely stress the lady and make for an awkward encounter.

Second..there you go again mixing the theory of prosecutable conversation with the concept of being arrested..the 2 dont have to go together..you show up..and its a sting you are busted...they dont care if u are prosecuted

Next..I know guys that have been in the hobby for 30-40+ years and hobby 1-2 a month or more..and never been busted...many many guys and girls will navigate this world for years and never have an LE run in..

Let me also say..while all the things we do are a step in the direction of safety they do NOT prevent arrest when in the room with a cop..

We can use code words like greek..never discuss sex..roses means money..and verify employment ask for pics..2 call system..p411..references etc..

LE will have all that lined out and fully functioning when they set up stings..sure BP girls are sometimes easier to catch. .sure girls who take last min appts are easier..sure guys that fall for the tgtbt girls are easier..

But..there have been "big board" members in the past thst have flipped in arkansas..Oklahoma had a debacle many years ago when a well know guy flipped..houston has had it..Shreveport...p411 has had accounts compromised..

My point..its all a calculated risk and when guys and girls learn to trust the process...embrace the safety procedure but also realize no codes no vague conversation keeps you from being busted you can no be so stressed and actually enjoy being a provider or a hobbyist..dont get me wrong..I get that the risk of the "hunt" is part of the thrill..but jesus..walking in nervous..if the girl wont get naked in time before discussing sex..it all seems like unnecessary fun stealing stress

[Geeky80]

Code words like Greek and roses probably don't protect us any at all because they can only mean one thing. The reason "companionship" is special is because some guys actually do not want to have sex with the provider. I'm sure it's rare but they exist and "companionship" fits the description of what they want. What if a client asked an undercover cop for a lunch date? Surely the cop won't waste time on THAT?!?!

I do understand the difference between arrested and prosecuted. I'm just more hopeful that cops won't bother making an arrest that they know won't result in prosecution. Surely they have better things to do than pick on 2 consenting adults.

I was extremely stressed out on my first experience. It didn't help that the restaurant I ate at right before the date seated me right next to a table of cops haha.

[Geeky80]

Originally Posted by BBWDeAnna

you wont find anyone more experienced than me in arkansas

When I said "I especially want to hear from the more experienced ladies and gents here" - I didn't mean more experienced than YOU, I just meant more experienced in general. I just wanted to make sure nobody misinterpreted that. Your input is much appreciated and I want to keep you on my good side

[BBWDeAnna]

Im just giving you a hard time TALL...just bustin your balls..haha..wait..well you know what I mean..

Its hard sometimes to convey a light hearted discussion via the internet..but mainly I like to banter...

Hell im on everyones good side. ...unless im not