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Old 10-29-2020, 07:16 PM   #46
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I have no doubt it was intentionally released.
I think the US response sucked, and I think the American people are too entitled and self involved.
Everyone worldwide should be taking all the precautions, but say 35% of selfish assholes won’t.
Pretty much why we are doomed.
As long as there is 1 entitled selfish asshole... none of us ever get back to a normal life.

I’ll head this off right now because some dipshit is gonna say well all these other countries do the precautions and it doesn’t work.
Fucking bullshit... there is always a group of selfish entitled assholes.
ALWAYS

One thing I can tell you, every time some Asian bug is going around Asia, they all wear mask because they are jammed together, subways and such. H1N1, SARS, Avian they get past all of them taking the precautions. Enforced and Effective.
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Old 10-29-2020, 08:27 PM   #47
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Fauci and the rest of the gay brigade have been saying for months that a vaccine will likely be effective against the virus and that getting infected by the virus twice will be extremely rare, although possible and likely to occur in a few exceptional cases.

I agree T R U M P's COVID response sucked, but I still like what H E stands for more so than H I S opponent.

I also feel that we shouldn't sacrifice our liberty over the Ching Chong Woohoo Virus. Many would rather see the government take totalitarian control over people's lives in order to get things more under control. I disagree.

If you want to be locked inside and start begging the government for rations, you can. Why drag the rest of us with you?
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Old 10-30-2020, 07:33 PM   #48
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Fauci just doing his job. Doctor says bend over, bend over. Dentist says open your mouth, open your mouth. These liberal idiots trying to spin common sense practice are...well...still idiots.
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Old 10-31-2020, 08:47 AM   #49
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Joeys wants to double the testing Okay meaningless at best just because you have been exposed Dosent mean you a case ,It’s the fucking flu. Unless you’re a total lardass, smoke like a chimney, or have one foot in the grave already, you’ll be fine. Now go back to work and worry about more important shit.
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Old 11-28-2020, 08:32 PM   #50
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The Master's Thesis:
https://www.independentsciencenews.o...d-19-pandemic/
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Old 11-28-2020, 09:52 PM   #51
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This is fascinating. The first part is dry reading, but you get to the middle of the paper and it reads like a novel. Maybe the Andromeda Strain would be a good analogy. Thanks for posting this Tickler.

The authors came across an old Chinese masters thesis, written in 2013, that described six workers who came down with a deadly disease in a mine inhabited by bats. Three of the six died after illnesses. Bat coronaviruses were isolated from the mine. One included a genome sequence, BtCoV/4991, 98.7% identical to SARS-CoV-2, and the other, RaTG13 was 96.2% identical.

The workers had inhaled fumes from the bat guano, deeply. Most cases of Covid 19 are in the upper respiratory tract, but these guys, exposed to high quantities of the virus, ended up with infections in the lower lungs. The authors say that the lower lungs contain 4500 times as much tissue through which the virus can spread than the upper respiratory tract. So what happened was that the virus evolved rapidly, as it spread through the lungs, perhaps compressing 20 to 50 years of evolution into months. So it's very possible one or more of these miners ended up with a virus identical to or very similar to Covid 19. This is the theory the authors favor, although they reference another theory that hypothesizes the virus has been around for years in humans, unrecognized, and evolved during that time before taking off and becoming a pandemic.

The writers believe it's very possible the Wuhan laboratory obtained a sample of the virus that infected the miners, and while studying it one of the researchers became infected. And then the rest would be history.

The Wuhan laboratory has blamed the deaths of the workers on a fungal infection, like histoplasmosis. This is suspicious because other papers (not the masters thesis) written on this incident point towards a coronavirus as more likely responsible for the deaths. These guys did go a long time though before they died, months in a couple of instances, which seems atypical of Covid 19. But on the other hand the mortality rate from people who are sick with histoplasmosis is a lot lower than 50%.

While they don't say it, they, like other experts in coronaviruses, would would believe the idea the Chinese developed Covid 19 as a weapon is ridiculous.

I never could figure out btw why supposedly you get sicker if you're exposed to a larger quantity of the virus. This paper impressed on me why.
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Old 11-28-2020, 10:16 PM   #52
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Scientists cant even agree what it is!

Its a biological weapon. How it got out???????????

I know scientists that say no way in heck is this a Natural Virus! In other words. It is man made!

china should be held responsible!
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Old 11-28-2020, 10:33 PM   #53
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Scientists cant even agree what it is!

Its a biological weapon. How it got out???????????

I know scientists that say no way in heck is this a Natural Virus! In other words. It is man made!

china should be held responsible!
Can you link to something from a reputable virologist or other coronavirus expert, except Li-Meng Yan and her collaborators, that makes that point? She's the Chinese refugee who argued the Coronavirus was developed as a bioweapon, and her papers have been thoroughly discredited.

The paper Tickler pointed to arguably could be used to blame the Chinese virology laboratory in Wuhan for lax practices that allowed one of their researchers to become infected with Covid 19, thus setting off the epidemic. I'm not sure the authors of Tickler's link have a lot of confidence that happened, although they're throwing it out as a strong possibility.
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Old 11-28-2020, 10:37 PM   #54
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Scientists cant even agree what it is!

Its a biological weapon. How it got out???????????

I know scientists that say no way in heck is this a Natural Virus! In other words. It is man made!

china should be held responsible!
I stand behind my statement! I refuse to listen to lsm pundits or pc scientists!

We should reduce one billion chinese to a boat full. NOW!
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Old 11-28-2020, 11:13 PM   #55
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Old 11-28-2020, 11:21 PM   #56
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I stand behind my statement! I refuse to listen to lsm pundits or pc scientists!

We should reduce one billion chinese to a boat full. NOW!
Tickler's scientists aren't politically correct, as they're laying out a case for blaming the Wuhan lab's ineptitude for the epidemic. You've got evidence for one bat coronavirus that's 96% identical genetically to Covid 19 and another that's 99% identical. You've got six people, three of whom died, potentially infected in 2012 by these coronaviruses while in a mine with bats. Why believe it was developed as a bioweapon?

Or forget about the science, which is far and away the most compelling reason to believe it came from nature. Just use common sense. Why would the Chinese unleash it on Wuhan before releasing it in the USA? Why would they release it before they had a vaccine? Why would they risk killing hundreds of thousands or millions of their own people? It doesn't add up. Chairman Xi is not stupid.
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Old 11-29-2020, 01:50 AM   #57
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Why wouldn’t they kill their own people? That’s how they would make it look like an accident.
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Old 11-29-2020, 03:10 AM   #58
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They know it is a virus that causes no symptoms in 80% of those infected. Those that do get symptoms, 90% will be mild cold like symptoms.
Where are you getting these percentages from? No ONE knows how many CV19 infections are asymptomatic. Until that count is known, you don't know what the percentage is.
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Old 11-29-2020, 08:32 AM   #59
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Expect a cogent response to that...
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Old 11-29-2020, 09:20 AM   #60
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Biggest hoax in history!
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