CA recall election

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by oeb11

First thing the marxists will do.............!!!

.... after they accuse others of doing what they themselves do!

Remember the allegation of Trump being a "traitor" talking to Putin?



And the PROTESTERS accused of "insurrection"?

[1blackman1]

Milley, Esper and folks from the sec of states office were on coordinated on the calls. They all knew Trump was crazy.

[VitaMan]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

That's customarily what people respond when they can't.

They feel like they have to say something ... just anything ...

... so they say NOTHING!

Are you really a lawyer?

Perhaps this is why the Republican Larry Elder was unsuccessful:


a talk-radio show host with no political experience

his talk of stolen elections was arguably his biggest misstep of the campaign

when he got pushed by Trump supporters into endorsing the stolen-election narrative, he ran directly into a Newsom political buzz saw linking him with Donald Trump

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Milley, Esper and folks from the sec of states office were on coordinated on the calls. They all knew Trump was crazy.

Well, there you go from the legal mind of 1blackman1. No need for a Constitution! No need for chain of command. If the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, deems the President, who he works for, "crazy" not in public mind you or to anybody else but simply to his cabal and defenders and our enemies, then it is OK to commit treason. I'm trying to find in the Constitution where this is "permissible for a good reason". Maybe you could point me to that part of the constitution.


To make a phone call to our number one adversary in the world ( Milley has commented before that this is true ) and tell that adversary not only do you not trust the President, you will not follow his order for a first strike against China. In fact, Milley told the Chinese that he would never do such a thing, that he would "warn" China so that they could be prepared and conceivably kill more Americans being prepared.


That's the discussion 1blackman1. The question is not how many people at the Dept. of State decide a President is crazy, where does the Constitution give authority to the Dept. of State to make such a decision?


It was mind blowing to listen to each and every person at MSNBC shake their head in agreement. "Yep, Milley had no choice"? No choice to do what, violate his oath of office and commit treason"? He could have called a press conference announcing his retirement ( for the good of the country ) including a detailed account of why he thought the President was crazy and the authorization that gives him the power to do what he did which was not only tell the Chinese of our possible future nuclear plans but to tell each and every person around him that HE was in-charge, not the President and that no Presidential order will be followed but for his OK.


That treason? I know we have discussed this topic before and it usually comes down to whether we are in a declared war with the country this American committed this act of betrayal against.


So just for kicks, let's remove that provision, if it exists, sometimes I think I read it, other times I don't see it in quotes. But take out the "at war" part and hell yes this is giving aid and comfort to the enemy notifying them of possible future plans against them and telling our enemy that you will not follow the orders of the President of the United States.


Yeah, the rubes over at MSNBC have no understanding of the law and think different laws apply when Democrats are in power. Well they don't! There is no other answer to this question but the truth and the truth is Milley should be Courts Marshaled immediately upon legal confirmation of what was written in Woodward's book. Milley is set to testify on the 28th so well see what kind of answers he gives.


I'll make a prediction as to his opening remarks. "This was an extraordinary success on my part".


Think it is only Republicans saying this? How about our old buddy Alexander Vinman, the Left's hero of the first impeachment.


https://twitter.com/AVindman/status/1437843079294238724
If this is true GEN Milley must resign. He usurped civilian authority, broke Chain of Command, and violated the sacrosanct principle of civilian control over the military. It’s an extremely dangerous precedent. You can’t simply walk away from that. #dotherightthingintherightway

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by royamcr

She can't divorce him, else she could be deported along with her parents. Her "Einstein" visa is kinda sketchy to begin with.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/16/donal...s-him-7848564/


In an excerpt seen by People, Omarosa has claimed Trump may have pulled strings to ‘secure or expedite’ an EB-1 Einstein visa granted to his ex-model wife which is normally reserved for those with ‘extraordinary ability.’
Then Trump would be putting himself in legal liability. He would have to go down with her.

She continued: ‘If Melania were to try to pull the ultimate humiliation and leave him while he’s in office, he would find a way to punish her.

I'll remind you that Trump is no loner President and has exactly no strings to pull at the State Dept. Hell, they would not only grant Melania and her folks full immunity to piss off Trump who might want to take some kind of action which I just pointed out, he couldn't, they would throw Melania a citizenship party.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

Perhaps this is why the Republican Larry Elder was unsuccessful:

Let's see ... I can't imagine why?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Milley, Esper and folks from the sec of states office were on coordinated on the calls. They all knew Trump was crazy.

So treason is okay with you!

Even from "Old Geezers" for whom you vote!



People on here keep accusing you of being a lawyer.

[1blackman1]

I don’t believe I ever commented on whether what Milley did was right or wrong. All I pointed out was that this wasn’t some singular action on Milley’s part. That he was also in communication with the heads of the state department and the secretary of defense.

Now let’s think this through more fully.

If they all believed the president was falling apart, which appears to be their belief, and they felt he might take some action, ordering a first nuclear strike, proving he’s gone completely over the cliff, what’s the action they should have taken?

Honestly I don’t know that answer. He hadn’t done it yet so you can’t say he’s “crazy” and taking crazy actions. Even if he’s mumbling crazy shit and inquiring about “what will happen if we first strike China” (not suggesting he said that but even if he did he has ordered anything). At that point there would be no “order” to deny as unlawful or reason to look to try to have the cabinet remove the president. Hence the reason several other people including the sec of def was likely part of these calls along with the some 15 people that were also on the calls taking meticulous notes (and the call was a video call). This wasn’t at all secret or meant to be. What it seems they were in fact trying to do was keep the Chinese from first striking the US out of fear that Trump had lost it and that the govt as a result was unstable. Was that proper, I don’t believe so but I see what they were looking to do. It’s not the approach I’d have taken.

Now further thinking it through what do we do in the case that a president duly elected decides to start WW3 for no apparent reason except to burn the world down? Should the military just go along with the whims of civilian authority when the result would be calamitous? Should they find a way to remove that power from the president?

Since up to then, we’d never had a looney toon be president if was never an issue. Even the most incompetent of prior presidents weren’t being seen as a nut job that might engage the US in a war just because his feelings were hurt. But that’s what his own appointees evidently saw in Trump in those final months.

Again I don’t agree with what action they took but I can see their thinking in this. Unfortunately there’s no easy answer to “how do you stop a crazy president”.

[rexdutchman]

They ignore inconvenient facts
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[oeb11]

HF - thank You for a well written couple of psots
1b1- theusual denial, obfucation, obstruction. adn deflection - learned and indoctrinated by the marxist CCP led DPST party.

You post nonsense.

'Loony tunes - DPSTs are so out of touch with the reality of teh Racist destructiveness of their senile fiden. nazi pelosi, and Commie Schumer - as to be fully engaged in Sedition of the Constitution. bill of Rights, and Equality forAll under the Law
Loony tunes - is what occupies the Oval Office - and marxist handler seditionists are desperately trying to undermine America's representative democracy - for Racist marxist, Plantation control of America's Peoples

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by rexdutchman

They ignore inconvenient facts

When someone pretending to be lawyer "assumes" someone is "crazy" without any professional confirmation or factual basis ... their "analysis" of a situation involving insurrection and/or demonstrates disrespect toward a superior .... is of no value.

Article 89: Disrespect Toward a Superior Commissioned Officer


“Any person subject to this chapter who behaves with disrespect toward his superior commissioned officer shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”

Elements.

(1) That the accused did or omitted certain acts or used certain language to or concerning a certain commissioned officer;

(2) That such behavior or language was directed toward that officer;

(3) That the officer toward whom the acts, omissions, or words were directed was the superior commissioned officer of the accused;

(4) That the accused then knew that the commissioned officer toward whom the acts, omissions, or words were directed was the accused’s superior commissioned officer; and

(5) That, under the circumstances, the behavior or language was disrespectful to that commissioned officer.

The same people embracing the intentional failure to respect a superior officer by collaborating with the enemy are as culpable as the officer engaged in the criminal activity.

Real attorneys know that and ignoring it makes them culpable as well.

Like I said:

Remember the allegation of Trump being a "traitor" talking to Putin?

The same loonatic General advised Bitten to leave Afghanistan before removing U.S. citizens and foreign partners.

After the Senate finishes with him .... court martial is appropriate.

10 U.S. Code § 888 - Art. 88. Contempt toward officials
U.S. Code

Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

I don’t believe I ever commented on whether what Milley did was right or wrong. All I pointed out was that this wasn’t some singular action on Milley’s part. That he was also in communication with the heads of the state department and the secretary of defense.

Now let’s think this through more fully.

If they all believed the president was falling apart, which appears to be their belief, and they felt he might take some action, ordering a first nuclear strike, proving he’s gone completely over the cliff, what’s the action they should have taken?

Honestly I don’t know that answer. He hadn’t done it yet so you can’t say he’s “crazy” and taking crazy actions. Even if he’s mumbling crazy shit and inquiring about “what will happen if we first strike China” (not suggesting he said that but even if he did he has ordered anything). At that point there would be no “order” to deny as unlawful or reason to look to try to have the cabinet remove the president. Hence the reason several other people including the sec of def was likely part of these calls along with the some 15 people that were also on the calls taking meticulous notes (and the call was a video call). This wasn’t at all secret or meant to be. What it seems they were in fact trying to do was keep the Chinese from first striking the US out of fear that Trump had lost it and that the govt as a result was unstable. Was that proper, I don’t believe so but I see what they were looking to do. It’s not the approach I’d have taken.

Now further thinking it through what do we do in the case that a president duly elected decides to start WW3 for no apparent reason except to burn the world down? Should the military just go along with the whims of civilian authority when the result would be calamitous? Should they find a way to remove that power from the president?

Since up to then, we’d never had a looney toon be president if was never an issue. Even the most incompetent of prior presidents weren’t being seen as a nut job that might engage the US in a war just because his feelings were hurt. But that’s what his own appointees evidently saw in Trump in those final months.

Again I don’t agree with what action they took but I can see their thinking in this. Unfortunately there’s no easy answer to “how do you stop a crazy president”.

Communicating with a potential enemy isn't it. Their hatred for Trump not any fear Trump would start WW3 is the reason for Milley's Communication with China. Milley gave China a sense of strength over America with his show boating bullshit.

[1blackman1]

I suspect Esper and others didn’t hate Trump. They likely thought he was crazy. Also the Sec of States office was involved in the all. Doubt they hated Trump either. So them hating Trump isn’t what led to the action. Them believing Trump lost it and might take an insane action does explain their action.

[winn dixie]

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

I suspect Esper and others didn’t hate Trump. They likely thought he was crazy. Also the Sec of States office was involved in the all. Doubt they hated Trump either. So them hating Trump isn’t what led to the action. Them believing Trump lost it and might take an insane action does explain their action.

Trump isn't crazy and I doubt he was willing to wage a Military conflict on China. Milley's correspondence with the Chinese Government was the wrong thing to do and it's coming back to bite him in the ass.