Amateur Hour

[elghund]

Bluff called……

After Gabbard and Ratcliffe both stated in a congressional hearing that the plans in the unsecured chat were not classified, the Atlantic offered to share them to prove they were real. Multiple Trump-Tards then attacked the messenger instead of answering the question, as usual……….

So, this morning, the Atlantic shared the text chain in question. Now we will see what fallout occurs from this.

My bet still is that Hegseth gets the axe when all is said and done.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ldberg/682176/

[drluv1]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

your source is highly questionable as he is a known libtard asshat.


bahahahhahaaaaa

incorrect..... BAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Presj22]

Originally Posted by Flair4Drama

Mistake was acknowledged quickly and the smartest among us have moved on.

BTW -- the airstrikes against the houthis was successful and taken out key Houthi leadership, including their head missileer. In addition Iran was put on notice through these actions.

You seem to have missed the end result.

Again, I've moved on from this nuthing burger. Sad that you can't.

Wrong. You can’t move on if you continue to respond.
Funny how The Atlantic posted the entire chat - which is entirely okay because it “is not classified information”. But, I doubt anybody will read it, after all, the Atlantic is “failing” - which means y’all won’t read it.

[Presj22]

Funny how some may claim they’ve moved on from a *cough * nothing burger yet post an entirely new thread about the Group Chatgate. Though, I suppose it’s not a lie, moved on to a new thread sounds more like it. Reading the Group Chat is hilarious until you remember that it’s serious: skirting FOIA laws, nobody really caring about Vance’s opinion & how his opinion goes against Daddy Dearest (somebody is in trouble hahaha). You know Trump is fuming

[FBSMLUVR]

Originally Posted by Presj22

Funny how The Atlantic posted the entire chat - which is entirely okay because it “is not classified information”.

Then what’s your point? If it’s not classified, then it is a nothing burger. They fucked up somehow allowing this “nothing burger of a reporter” on the chat, which has yet to be determined how he got on there. But regardless, Waltz has taken responsibility, and admitted to the fuck up. Quite a new concept in American politics wouldn’t you say? Owning up to your mistake? Don’t recall that happening over major fuck ups in our fairly recent past.

On the other hand, if this nothing burger of a reporter is releasing classified info to the public, redacted or not, he just may be in a world of shit and should be brought in to the appropriate org for a debriefing. And from there, the people deemed responsible for this fuck up, should be relieved of their duties and replaced. In other words, their asses should be fired. But, until the investigation is over, speculation from the left makes it look like the Dems are reaching once again for another “gotcha moment” that does absolutely nothing when it comes to getting to the root cause of the problem.

Not to mention, the mission was a success and continues to be an ongoing success. And this nothing burger reporter has already changed his narrative from “war plans” to “attack plans”. Back peddling isn’t a good look for him, especially since he’s a Never Trumper and has jumped all over conspiracy theories in the past about Trump that have been debunked.

One last point. If you saw the Trump staff meeting that was televised yesterday when Trump was asked about using this app for discussions like this, he looked directly over at Waltz and said something to the effect that “I don’t think he’ll be using that app again”. If you’ve ever sat around a table with your boss & your peers when your boss was pissed off at you, you know that look…it’s never good…I’ve seen that look. So yea, I’m sure behind closed doors, knowing Trump, there was some major ass chewing that went on. This won’t happen again, you can bet on that.

[FBSMLUVR]

Originally Posted by Presj22

Reading the Group Chat is hilarious until you remember that it’s serious: skirting FOIA laws, nobody really caring about Vance’s opinion & how his opinion goes against Daddy Dearest

Please help me understand how this has anything to do with FOIA Laws?

And although your name calling sounds more like terms of endearment, it does absolutely nothing to prove your point. Rather have an Admin that can disagree and agree to disagree, than having puppets in office that have to take afternoon naps every day.

[Presj22]

Originally Posted by FBSMLUVR

Please help me understand how this has anything to do with FOIA Laws?

And although your name calling sounds more like terms of endearment, it does absolutely nothing to prove your point. Rather have an Admin that can disagree and agree to disagree, than having puppets in office that have to take afternoon naps every day.

“disappearing messages" ….all communications like this are supposed to be recorded somewhere and NOT outside of servers that the government controls. And if so (say using iMessage or whatever) that it should be stored locally on a work phone, and deleting these messages are a crime in and of itself. What if things had gone terribly wrong and 3 American aid workers had been killed let's say due to bad intel or whatever, then disappearing messages be an issue.
This is all executive branch so its supposed to be FOIA-able and subject to records management practices. Using Signal is not secure - it doesn’t even work on government phones (because it inherently violates the presidential records act) so this is all on their personal devices too.
Imagine how many other groups chats are currently going on for how many extremely sensitive and important decisions and operations, and none of it is being recorded or handled properly. For any MAGAs downplaying this: If this were a couple interns randomly chatting about this stuff and posting random emojis, it’s irresponsible and immature and they should be removed from their job, no question. The fact that you have heads of Cabinet on this chat doing the same should genuinely make anybody ashamed. What whiny little teens. The VP is on this text chain ffs. This is how government operates? No wonder there's such little confidence in govt. No matter how this resolves(whether there's similar removals from office/not, it needs to be noted that these folks who all decry "woke" culture are about as annoyingly cringe as it can get.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by elghund

Bluff called……

After Gabbard and Ratcliffe both stated in a congressional hearing that the plans in the unsecured chat were not classified, the Atlantic offered to share them to prove they were real. Multiple Trump-Tards then attacked the messenger instead of answering the question, as usual……….

So, this morning, the Atlantic shared the text chain in question. Now we will see what fallout occurs from this.

My bet still is that Hegseth gets the axe when all is said and done.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ldberg/682176/

they did release them.

two words

NOTING BURGER

nothing burger indeed


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...story-n2654510


Did You Notice What Vanished From The Atlantic's Narrative About the Hegseth Signal Story?

The Atlantic felt their story was dying. The Trump administration said no classified war plans were discussed in the Signal chat story that’s captured the hyper-regional confines of liberal America. It looks like a nothing burger vis-à-vis a severe breach in classified information, though still an unforced error on behalf of top officials. To recap, The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg was accidentally added to a group chat on the encrypted messenger app, which was pre-downloaded on the devices of those involved in the chat, which included CIA Director John Ratcliffe, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, National Security Adviser Michael Waltz, and Vice President JD Vance.


https://x.com/Taylor47/status/1904874968581632040


The Atlantic has already abandoned their bullshit “war plans” narrative, and in releasing the full chat , they concede they LIED to perpetuate yet ANOTHER hoax on the American people. What scumbags!






The hook was that classified war plans were discussed, and Mr. Ratcliffe shot down a claim. There was nothing classified, Jeff, so release the texts. At first, he decided not to do it, simply claiming his detractors were wrong—a typical response when fake news is knowingly peddled.


So, The Atlantic opted to publish the text they felt was classified, though it wasn’t, and two things were clear: these aren’t war plans, and that narrative has conspicuously vanished.


https://x.com/MostlyPeacefull/status...story-n2654510


Notice the narrative shift. First it was “top secret”, then it was “classified”, now it’s “sensitive”


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https://x.com/townhallcom/status/1904896703322268149


Are these “war plans?”



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https://x.com/davereaboi/status/1904...story-n2654510


Ok so the Atlantic released what they call the “war plans”—they’re depending on people not knowing (or caring) what this is, but to refer to it that way is a stretch. There’s nothing specific here, other than times at which events will occur. A leak of this kind could alert the enemy, but doesn’t tell them anything about what’s coming, where or how to prepare for it. Nothingburger.


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Now, this isn’t a one-sided deal. Again, this was a brutal, unforced error, adding a known Trump-hater to this chat. This administration dodged a significant bullet and was lucky that no classified information was disclosed. Then again, in the chats, all the principals are aware of the “high side” lines of communications, secure platforms where deeper discussions could occur.


The chats are real, so it’s not a hoax, but the ‘they disclosed classified war plans’ narrative is fake news and hyper-sensationalized. The White House did well to notice how the words “war plans” got stealth edited in the new disclosures, pointing to a tacit acknowledgement that the publication got ahead of their skis on this one, which is a common trait at The Atlantic:


https://x.com/TomBevanRCP/status/190...story-n2654510


Many things can be true at once. 1) Jeffrey Goldberg is a clear Trump hater. 2) Goldberg has published sensationalized accounts in the past that have been disputed by people with first-hand knowledge. 3) He was added to this chat and has receipts, so it’s not a hoax.


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Editor's Note: This leaked Signal chat is a non-scandal, and we need to focus on the real issues, not the Regime Media and Democrats' invented outrage.

[Presj22]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

they did release them.

two words

NOTING BURGER

nothing burger indeed


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...story-n2654510


Did You Notice What Vanished From The Atlantic's Narrative About the Hegseth Signal Story?

The Atlantic felt their story was dying. The Trump administration said no classified war plans were discussed in the Signal chat story that’s captured the hyper-regional confines of liberal America. It looks like a nothing burger vis-à-vis a severe breach in classified information, though still an unforced error on behalf of top officials. To recap, The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg was accidentally added to a group chat on the encrypted messenger app, which was pre-downloaded on the devices of those involved in the chat, which included CIA Director John Ratcliffe, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, National Security Adviser Michael Waltz, and Vice President JD Vance.


https://x.com/Taylor47/status/1904874968581632040


The Atlantic has already abandoned their bullshit “war plans” narrative, and in releasing the full chat , they concede they LIED to perpetuate yet ANOTHER hoax on the American people. What scumbags!






The hook was that classified war plans were discussed, and Mr. Ratcliffe shot down a claim. There was nothing classified, Jeff, so release the texts. At first, he decided not to do it, simply claiming his detractors were wrong—a typical response when fake news is knowingly peddled.


So, The Atlantic opted to publish the text they felt was classified, though it wasn’t, and two things were clear: these aren’t war plans, and that narrative has conspicuously vanished.


https://x.com/MostlyPeacefull/status...story-n2654510


Notice the narrative shift. First it was “top secret”, then it was “classified”, now it’s “sensitive”


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https://x.com/townhallcom/status/1904896703322268149


Are these “war plans?”



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https://x.com/davereaboi/status/1904...story-n2654510


Ok so the Atlantic released what they call the “war plans”—they’re depending on people not knowing (or caring) what this is, but to refer to it that way is a stretch. There’s nothing specific here, other than times at which events will occur. A leak of this kind could alert the enemy, but doesn’t tell them anything about what’s coming, where or how to prepare for it. Nothingburger.


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Now, this isn’t a one-sided deal. Again, this was a brutal, unforced error, adding a known Trump-hater to this chat. This administration dodged a significant bullet and was lucky that no classified information was disclosed. Then again, in the chats, all the principals are aware of the “high side” lines of communications, secure platforms where deeper discussions could occur.


The chats are real, so it’s not a hoax, but the ‘they disclosed classified war plans’ narrative is fake news and hyper-sensationalized. The White House did well to notice how the words “war plans” got stealth edited in the new disclosures, pointing to a tacit acknowledgement that the publication got ahead of their skis on this one, which is a common trait at The Atlantic:


https://x.com/TomBevanRCP/status/190...story-n2654510


Many things can be true at once. 1) Jeffrey Goldberg is a clear Trump hater. 2) Goldberg has published sensationalized accounts in the past that have been disputed by people with first-hand knowledge. 3) He was added to this chat and has receipts, so it’s not a hoax.


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Editor'sbc I just f-in did Note: This leaked Signal chat is a non-scandal, and we need to focus on the real issues, not the Regime Media and Democrats' invented outrage.

As usual, Kid, you miss the point. Had something gone wrong, the “disappearing messages” would have covered it up. I understand that everything went ok, but you can’t live like that, these things are called procedures (military should know this). In fact, if a military person did this type of thing (Anybody??) they would be court martialed.

[no need for you to respond with the usual if you say so….

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Presj22

As usual, Kid, you miss the point. Had something gone wrong, the “disappearing messages” would have covered it up. I understand that everything went ok, but you can’t live like that, these things are called procedures (military should know this). In fact, if a military person did this type of thing (Anybody??) they would be court martialed.

[no need for you to respond with the usual if you say so….

what's your point? that if not for The Atlantic editor accidentally being in the chat and therefore having the log that Hegseth would have ordered the log deleted in some sort of required records violation to cover this up?


nonsense. show me anything that backs that claim up. and while you are at it show me the top secret data the The Atlantic got?

[Presj22]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

what's your point? that if not for The Atlantic editor accidentally being in the chat and therefore having the log that Hegseth would have ordered the log deleted in some sort of required records violation to cover this up?


nonsense. show me anything that backs that claim up. and while you are at it show me the top secret data the The Atlantic got?

Hahaha you cannot be serious! Are you not understanding that Signal is an unsecure app? It was revealed days prior that it wasn’t secure. That’s the friggin problem. I don’t think DUI Hegseth would’ve mentioned that later on either “we communicated with eachother over drinks and Signal” no, no, he wouldn’t. He wouldn’t.

Anything else you’re not getting? It’s a crime, OK. I know, republicans commit crimes left and right and Donald will make it all better, but enough is enough. Best first month ever, second month is the best second month ever and the third month…lol he sounds like Steve Martin in the Jerk “the first day…” so dense.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Presj22

Hahaha you cannot be serious! Are you not understanding that Signal is an unsecure app? It was revealed days prior that it wasn’t secure. That’s the friggin problem. I don’t think DUI Hegseth would’ve mentioned that later on either “we communicated with eachother over drinks and Signal” no, no, he wouldn’t. He wouldn’t.

Anything else you’re not getting? It’s a crime, OK. I know, republicans commit crimes left and right and Donald will make it all better, but enough is enough. Best first month ever, second month is the best second month ever and the third month…lol he sounds like Steve Martin in the Jerk “the first day…” so dense.

the app while not hackproof (no app is) is secure and allows encrypted end to end communications.


and it's Biden's fault they were using signal to begin with



Biden-era guidance encouraged use of Signal app by highly-targeted govt officials: 'Best practice'

'Adopt a free messaging application for secure communications that guarantees end-to-end encryption, such as Signal or similar apps,' 2024 CISA guidance reads

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...-best-practice


the app itself was not hacked. some staffer under Waltz accidentally included The Atlantic editor in the invitees.



here's what's in store for that staffer ...

[Presj22]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

the app while not hackproof (no app is) is secure and allows encrypted end to end communications.


and it's Biden's fault they were using signal to begin with



Biden-era guidance encouraged use of Signal app by highly-targeted govt officials: 'Best practice'

'Adopt a free messaging application for secure communications that guarantees end-to-end encryption, such as Signal or similar apps,' 2024 CISA guidance reads

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...-best-practice


the app itself was not hacked. some staffer under Waltz accidentally included The Atlantic editor in the invitees.



here's what's in store for that staffer ...

Credibility from you has been lost since you used a Fox News link.

I posted this link earlier: https://dailyboulder.com/app-used-by...fore-pentagon/

Pentagon issued a warning of security problems with Signal prior to the Group Chat.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Presj22

Credibility from you has been lost since you used a Fox News link.

I posted this link earlier: https://dailyboulder.com/app-used-by...fore-pentagon/

Pentagon issued a warning of security problems with Signal prior to the Group Chat.

any vulnerability with signal was not a factor here. again, a staffer invited someone, this editor for The Atlantic, to the secure chat. and your own article said "days before" so what should they have done to conduct this meeting? download Microsoft Skype? no better than signal.

[Flair4Drama]

Kid -- The OP has selective hearing and comprehension. Feel free to move on from him. He thinks he's the Jasmine Crockett of this board.... and well... he pretty much is.....