One chart shows the Vaxx was worthless

[Jacky S]

Originally Posted by Michael8219

Per USA facts (as of May 10):

What's the nation's progress on vaccinations?
At least 270,227,181 people or 81% of the population have received at least one dose.

Overall, 230,637,348 people or 70% of the population are considered fully vaccinated.
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From July 2022 NIH Record:
“With barely a moment’s rest since the pandemic began, Fauci, 81, still shows little sign of slowing down. “Emerging and re-emerging infectious diseases have been on the forefront of my mind literally for the 38 years that I’ve been the director of NIAID,” he said.

Although he contemplates retirement, he hasn’t set a specific date.

“I can tell you I certainly hope to retire before I die. That is my goal,” he said with a smile. But for now, “I am just going to have to focus on my job.”

And there is much left to do during a pandemic that is waning but not over. “We are still in the middle of this,” he said. “And although we are doing much better than we were a year or a year and a half ago, we still have a severe challenge in front of us.””

The biggest challenge is keeping experimenters like Fauci and his Chicom buddies from messing around with things that could kill billions.

The line spoken by Jeff Goldbloom’s character in Jurassic Park rings true.

“Your scientist were so caught up in the knowledge that they COULD do something, that blinded as to whether they SHOULD”.

[Michael8219]

Originally Posted by Jacky S

The biggest challenge is keeping experimenters like Fauci and his Chicom buddies from messing around with things that could kill billions.

The line spoken by Jeff Goldbloom’s character in Jurassic Park rings true.

“Your scientist were so caught up in the knowledge that they COULD do something, that blinded as to whether they SHOULD”.

Slightly off topic but tied to scientists experimenting with DNA:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...-woolly-mouse/

Some of these things, like gain of function research and “enhancing DNA” should not be allowed…. Or we’re gonna be like Newman in J Park!

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

...From the CBSNEWS link:

[B]An update from the president's doctor, released by the White House on Saturday, said genomic sequencing determined that Mr. Biden was infected with the KP 2.3 variant...

You might have skipped over the red highlighted words in your reference, without awareness of what they actually mean. Luckily, he CDC explains them suscinctly.

What is Genomic Sequencing?

Key points:

• The genome of an organism is made up of a unique DNA or RNA sequence.
• Whole-genome sequencing (WGS) determines the order of all, or most, of the nucleotides in the genome.
• The information encoded in the genomes of bacteria, viruses, and fungi provide researchers with unique genetic "fingerprints."...

Imma toss in an AI answer to the below question heading. It is consistent with a wide selection of answer sources.

Genomic Sequencing Test

Genomic sequencing is determined through a comprehensive genetic test that analyzes all or a significant portion of an individual's DNA. This test can be performed using whole genome sequencing, which examines the entire DNA sequence, or whole exome sequencing, which focuses on the protein-coding regions of the genome.

The process of genomic sequencing involves several steps:

• A sample of DNA is collected from the individual, typically through a blood, saliva, or tissue sample.
• The DNA is extracted and sequenced using sophisticated machines that determine the order of the four nucleotides (A, C, T, G) in the genetic code.
• The sequence data is analyzed by computers using algorithms to check quality, assemble the DNA sequence, and compare it against a reference genome.

Seems to me they performed a DNA test on Ol' Puddin Head. Maybe the algorithms ignored all that was not a hit to a specific known "reference genome" or maybe they didn't. Highly likely they would have to.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

Remember the vax you're railing against was developed by your cult leader...

If you're talking about Trump, he didn't develop the Vaccine he promoted it. The majority of people who took the jab didn't vote for Trump that should tell ya something, lol.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

You might have skipped over the red highlighted words in your reference, without awareness of what they actually mean. Luckily, he CDC explains them suscinctly.Imma toss in an AI answer to the below question heading. It is consistent with a wide selection of answer sources.Seems to me they performed a DNA test on Ol' Puddin Head. Maybe the algorithms ignored all that was not a hit to a specific known "reference genome" or maybe they didn't. Highly likely they would have to.

You can get yourself into trouble when you cherry pick the information. You left out some bullet points from the CDC link. You left out Step 4:

Analysis Of The Sequencing. From the link:

The sequencer produces data—millions of long strings of letters—that are then assembled together or aligned with a reference sequence. Analytical programs compare the new sequence data to the reference sequence and identify variations in the sample that allow scientists to infer an ancestral relationship, much like a family tree. New pathogens can be identified by comparing their sequence to a database of all known pathogens and finding related species.

It should not be that difficult to relate one variant of SARS_CoV2 virus to another. Under a microscope with a lot of magnification the Crown of a SARS_CoV2 Virus can be seen easily. The Corona part of the name comes from this Crown-like structure that all Corona viruses have.

There is no doubt that Biden was infected with a variant (KP 2.3) of SARS_CoV2 virus in July of 2024. It was not Influeza_A or any other pathogen.

We can communicate when you return from your vacation.

https://www.cdc.gov/advanced-molecul...equencing.html

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

If you're talking about Trump, he didn't develop the Vaccine he promoted it. The majority of people who took the jab didn't vote for Trump that should tell ya something, lol.

There are 230 million fully vaccinated people. In the 2024 presidential election 75 million voted for Harris and 77 million voted for Trump.

If you subtract the 75 million that voted for Harris from 230 million that were fully vaccinated that leaves 155 million fully vaccinated people that could have voted for Trump. Trump only had 77 million people vote for him. But how can you say with absolute certainty that most of the people that voted for Trump were not vaccinated?

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/...racker-states/

https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/re...emaining=false

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

and why did it drop, Dr Kildare?


bahahahahaaa

You really can't figure that out?

[SpeedRacerXXX]

I can't believe people are still debating the effectiveness of the Covid vaccines. I can post probably dozens, if not hundreds, of charts showing the same thing -- deaths from Covid among unvaccinated people were many times higher than those among vaccinated people.

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/04/sc...o-viral-posts/

And how many lives were saved by the vaccine?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...179-6/fulltext

If you decided to not get the vaccine, fine. That was your decision. But the Covid vaccines saved millions of lives around the world. I have had 5 shots, the last booster being late last year, and have had Covid twice -- very mild cases.

[Lucas McCain]

^^^ Nice to see you back posting, SRXXX. You are definitely one of the more objective posters in this forum IMO and always nice to see unbiased posts.

As far as the topic, well I just find it comical that the people who never took a shot bitch about it the most. And the people who have actually taken multiple shots, have no complaints. But whatever, this forum is full of silly shit so why not talk about the validity of the Covid vaccine for the millionth fucking time so people can repeat what they posted years ago?

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

^^^ Nice to see you back posting, SRXXX. You are definitely one of the more objective posters in this forum IMO and always nice to see unbiased posts.

As far as the topic, well I just find it comical that the people who never took a shot bitch about it the most. And the people who have actually taken multiple shots, have no complaints. But whatever, this forum is full of silly shit so why not talk about the validity of the Covid vaccine for the millionth fucking time so people can repeat what they posted years ago?

It’s a lack of “good news” for the MAGA conspiracy addicts.

Always default back to an old argument.

Believe nothing. Oppose everything.

I’m against it. LOLLING!

[Tugg Speedman]

I am a scientist in biotech and even managed vaccine manufacturing. that covid vaxx was not a vaccine. it is not designed as a vaccine nor does it work as a vaccine should. simply put is inserted a genetic code into the target cells for expressing somethign (aka gain of a particular function). in this case the code caused the cell wall to express the spike proteins from that virus. The body saw the spike proteins and attacked its own cells. once the code is in place those cells will reproduce with that code and keep expressing them. Plus the more mRNA injected into one's body the more likely more and more cells will take up the code and express this viral protein and the body will attack more and more of those cells, its own cells. This is where myocarditis, hepatic inflamation, bruising, and brain issues came from. A real vaccine is either an attenuated virus or a totally deactivated virus (either way it will not cause infection in the body) is used. The immune system sees the virus and makes the anit bodies and locks it up and removes it. No attack on any of the body's cells. Boosters did not work with the supposed vax. Boosters are only designed t restimulate lost immune function which happens naturally over time as the body will forget its immune response if not used. studies are conducted to give the minimum vaccine needed to adequate effect and studies are conducted to understand when to administer boosters. you don't get a vaccine then get boosted almost immediately after. that was a total sham and all it did was cause more damage. plus covid family viruses mutate so quickly vaccines are useless- common cold, flu, etc. Thats why you will hear of people getting the annual flue shot every year and still get the flu. I worked at a company that made flu vaccines, they knew of it. I ran a plant that was for another vaccine. gain of function is beneficial to turn cells into something like an insulin generator for diabetics or to make a hormone the body is not able to make anymore, not to impart immunity. total sham.

[Yssup Rider]

Thank you for the explanation tugg.

[DayOfTheEagle]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Thank you for the explanation tugg.

I don't know about it being an "explanation." I would say more that it is "information." Partially correct. Partially incorrect. With some apparent misinformation thrown in. And using the word "sham" in relation to these vaccines (twice!) doesn't help make the point that this is objective either.

So that post has zero reference to any sources, including peer-reviewed publications, etc. Not that we necessarily need them. But are we are supposed to believe these statements just because this person says that they are a bioscientist and worked in vaccine manufacturing?

Well, let's look at a few of these staements.

First, saying that the COVID vaccine is not a "real" vaccine is a tactic that has been used in vaccine dis/misinformation campaigns for a long time. The definition of a vaccine is NOT limited to the two criteria that the poster states, i.e. "either an attenuated virus or a totally deactivated virus."

Here is a layman's definition that is more accurate, from Merriam Webster:

1: a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease: such as
a: an antigenic preparation of a typically inactivated or attenuated (see attenuated sense 2) pathogenic agent (such as a bacterium or virus) or one of its components or products (such as a protein or toxin)
b: a preparation of genetic material (such as a strand of synthesized messenger RNA) that is used by the cells of the body to produce an antigenic substance (such as a fragment of virus spike protein)

There are numerous other, more technical defintions readily available. None of them say that the COVID mRNA vaccines are not "real" vaccines. They are the most recent technological evolution of vaccines. But they very much ARE vaccines.

As for what causes things like myocarditis, there is nowhere close to consensus agreement on this. True, there are some experts that believe that this may be some type of over-active immune response or auto-immune response caused by the vaccine. Some think that these problems may be from the lipid nano-particle encapsulation materials used in current mRNA technologies. But most experts in the field will tell you that they don't know for sure. To say something like "this is where myocarditis, hepatic inflammation,etc. came from" is irresponsible and inaccurate.

The comments that boosters "did not work" and were a "total sham" are untrue and don't make sense. Yes, it did take a while to understand if boosters were needed and how frequently they would be needed. But to say they did not work is incorrect. They absolutely did! A simple Google search will show you the real answers. But the part of the argument talking about "people getting the annual flue shot every year and still get the flu" proves that this post is either completely lacking in understanding or that it is intentionally mis-stating facts in hopes of confusing people.

True, the flu virus mutates rapidly. And often flu shots lose much of their effectivity in a very short time. But experts will tell you that they STILL offer protection and will mimize the risk of severe complications even if you DO contract the flu. COVID is the same.

This "booster" discussion is a commonly known issue and most people should understand this by now. Calling it a "sham" only spreads the damage. It is not healthy debate.

All of this is now causing people to question all vaccines. And much of science. Ask the kids who died of measles in Texas how they feel about that. Oh. Wait. You can't.

The big fact is that mRNA vaccine technology holds incredible promise. It isn't perfect. But it is fast, flexible, and powerful. It is not without critics and people who say that we need to be more careful. But the promise here is almost impossible to imagine. Things like targeted cancer therapies are a HUGE possibility that excites many, many researchers.

And when the next Pandemic comes....and it WILL come, and it might be way worse than COVID...mRNA vaccine technology will help develop needed vaccines much faster than any other available technology. And time will mean a lot.

Don't let fucking idiots like RFK, Jr abandon support for more research and development in this field! And don't let a bunch of psuedo experts on a hooker board tell you they "know" something without being fact-checked. Better yet, don't read them at all. Because they only believe what they want to believe anyway.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Tugg Speedman

A real vaccine is either an attenuated virus or a totally deactivated virus

How about sub-unit vaccines, like those for hepatitis B, HPV, pertussis, and shingles? They're real.

Originally Posted by Tugg Speedman

simply put is inserted a genetic code into the target cells for expressing somethign (aka gain of a particular function)...once the code is in place those cells will reproduce with that code and keep expressing them.

Are you saying the mRNA somehow integrates into cellular DNA and then those cells replicate with the new DNA? If so, I don't believe that's correct. I'm reading the mRNA degrades in hours or days.

Originally Posted by Tugg Speedman

This is where myocarditis, hepatic inflammation, bruising, and brain issues came from

Maybe so, but COVID the disease causes these conditions too, and generally symptoms are worse than with the vaccine. For older individuals and others at greater risk of severe disease, the vaccines and boosters certainly made a lot of sense.

Originally Posted by Tugg Speedman

You don’t get a vaccine then get boosted almost immediately after.

Yes you do. In addition to the second shot of the COVID vaccine a month after the initial injection, the shingles, hepatitis, MMR, HPV, and DPT and other vaccines require multiple doses.

Originally Posted by Tugg Speedman

COVID viruses mutate so quickly vaccines are useless…

Yeah, the efficacy may have dropped but the vaccines are far from useless. SpeedRacer and I both received most or all of the recommended boosters. And both of us had very mild cases of COVID when we finally caught it. Most common colds I've had were worse.

Originally Posted by Tugg Speedman

mRNA vaccines are gain of function. Gain of function is for insulin or hormone generation, not immunity

This doesn't make sense to me. Maybe you could explain it?

[DayOfTheEagle]

If I could withdraw my post, I would. And just let Tiny's post handle all of this. So much better.