Israel Bombs Iranian Nuclear Sites!

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by Jacky S

I don’t think anybody saw this coming. Or at least nobody is admitting to it.

Check the date. Do the math.

[Jacky S]

Originally Posted by texassapper

Check the date. Do the math.

It looks like we have a “good cop, bad cop” thing going.

Trump pleads with Iran to make the deal and dismantle all of their nuclear capabilities.
Or, face the consequences.
The President was empathic in his statement that in no way would Iran be allowed to make a bomb.

He kept is word.

And Israel unleashed hell.

If you are a top leader in Iran, sleep with one eye open.

Plus, Israel is adopting the tactics we used in WW-2. That being, if you kill the man making the bullets, you don’t have to worry so much about the Soldier in the field.

[texassapper]

[Unique_Carpenter]

Frankly, I'm only wondering when, not if, Tehran becomes a glowing hole in the ground

[Jacky S]

Although they want show it in public, the people who are really grateful that Israel finally pulled the trigger are the Saudis and all of their fellow Persian Gulf allies.

None of these wanted Iran to have Nuclear Weapons.

The Champagne glasses are clicking.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by texassapper

.... You left out where President Trump added
"And they didn't die of the flu or Covid"...

(Trump really said that)

Crikey! ... Almost forgot - 60 days for Iran to make a deal.
It's day 61 ...

#### Salty

[Lucas McCain]

Salty, the only thing that means is Israel doesn't believe in extending deadlines like Trump obviously does. Do you think they are dumb enough to trust Trump with their future with his lack of credibility and nonstop bloviating on the global stage?

Israel took on the fight and now they are taking on the subsequent and expected retaliation. They took that risk. Trump did not. He would have just kept running his fat mouth and wouldn't have done shit and Israel knows that. But hey, you MAGAs can keep giving Trump credit for what Israel did if it makes you feel better.

[Yssup Rider]

Amén. They desperately need to feel good about their wretched fuhrer.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

Rumors and discussions of this possibility have been around for some time.


Many reports indicate it is Trump's weakness in dealing with Iran and the agreements he has made or proposed have caused Israel to go ahead and act unilaterally.


"Israel is considering launching a military strike against Iran in the coming days without American support, according to Western officials. The officials said fears of either no deal or a weak deal between Donald Trump, the US president, and the Islamic Republic to curtail its nuclear programme had forced Israeli strategists to consider a unilateral attack against Tehran."

"Military and intelligence chiefs have been concerned for several months that Mr Trump might strike a “soft” deal with Iran that does not guarantee the Jewish state’s long-term security in order to establish his legacy as a peacemaker."


The post of the OP reflects that things are getting ready to get "really bad".

Most of the blame for this is on Trump's shoulders, for yet another blunder.

The 2nd post is just a copy and paste, with nothing added.

Aluf Benn, the editor-in-chief of Haaretz, doesn't agree. Haaretz is the most influential newspaper in Israel. It has generally been critical of Netanyahu's leadership and policies.

Israel probably wouldn't have launched the attack without CENTCOM's support to shoot Iranian drones and missiles out of the sky. It would have suffered a bloodbath. And without Trump, Israel wouldn't be part of CENTCOM.

From an interview in the New Yorker, titled "Why Netanyahu Decided to Strike Iran Now,"

New Yorker: There had been concern among some more hawkish Israelis that Trump would not give a green light to this strike, because he wanted a deal with Iran. But what you seem to be saying is that one crucial thing that’s changed is, in fact, the timing and Trump being in office.

Aluf Benn: First of all, the operational opportunity to have an open corridor because of the suppression of Iranian air defenses in October mattered, and the Russians did not replenish Iranian stockpiles and systems afterward. And then there was the subsequent defeat of Hezbollah by the I.D.F., the decapitation of its leadership, the destruction of most of its strong ballistic-missile force, and then Assad falling. So now you can deploy a very large force to destroy targets within Iran. And it was reported recently that Israel had finished its preparations and Netanyahu was pushing for an attack on Iran. There were some different signs, like public opposition by Trump, even as recently as this week, but clearly Netanyahu told him about it in advance.

New Yorker: And today Trump has been very supportive.

Aluf Benn: Underneath that Presidential support, we have one thing that is crucial, and that was one of the last decisions of Trump’s first term, which was to include Israel in CENTCOM. That enabled Israel to be part of the U.S. regional air-defense and missile-defense system. So Israel is now relying not on American bombers and American soldiers on the ground but you have coördination, coöperation, intelligence sharing, et cetera.

...New Yorker: So we’ve talked for a while now, and one thing you haven’t said is that the reason for this attack is that the situation with Iran and nuclear weapons has changed, and that the danger is much greater now. Has it?

Aluf Benn: This is very important, and I forgot to mention it. On December 5th, six months ago, Iran started doubling down by fuelling its uranium-enrichment facilities so that the product would be one step below the nuclear-weapons threshold. This was reported by the International Atomic Energy Agency. So they edged much closer to the bomb. And, if you look at the timetable—I’m not familiar with the Iranian decision-making process, obviously—but, if you look at the timetable, they did this during the American transition period, which is always a good time to do stuff, when the outgoing Administration is not looking closely and the new one is not in power yet. So they thought that they would enter the negotiations with the United States from a stronger position and maybe show that they are a few weeks away from enriched uranium for nuclear weapons.

That’s clearly part of the Israeli timetable, as well. We have a combination here of Iranian recklessness and a bold decision to go full speed or almost full speed ahead with uranium enrichment. You have the operational opportunity because of the October attack last year. And you had Trump, who was willing, for the first time in twenty years and after several American Presidents, to listen to the Israeli plan and give it some sort of green light and coördinate and then applaud it afterward, rather than saying, “We had no idea. We were not there. We just watched it on television.”

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and...trike-iran-now

I'm not applauding Trump. I don't think he should have abrogated the nuclear treaty that the Obama administration negotiated with Iran. However, I don't believe Trump's "weakness" is what caused Israel to act -- quite the contrary -- see the red text above.

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I'm not applauding Trump. I don't think he should have abrogated the nuclear treaty that the Obama administration negotiated with Iran. However, I don't believe Trump's "weakness" is what caused Israel to act.

I'm 100% with you on this. Trump shouldn't have ended the previous deal, but I completely support Israel in this strike. I have no question of Israel's intelligence skill, and if Iran was close it's a good thing for the world they acted. It was them and Stuxnet that put this day off for this long.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

It was them and Stuxnet that put this day off for this long.

Just read up on Stuxnet, fascinating. I remembered the cyberattack but didn't know the details. That's almost as creative as the explosives Israel planted in Hezbollah's pagers and walkie talkies.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

Salty, the only thing that means is Israel doesn't believe in extending deadlines like Trump obviously does. Do you think they are dumb enough to trust Trump with their future with his lack of credibility and nonstop bloviating on the global stage?

Israel took on the fight and now they are taking on the subsequent and expected retaliation. They took that risk. Trump did not. He would have just kept running his fat mouth and wouldn't have done shit and Israel knows that. But hey, you MAGAs can keep giving Trump credit for what Israel did if it makes you feel better.

did you get the memo? the US gave a deadline. it ran out. Israel acted and the US was aware of it. and US forces are assisting Israel in repelling Iran's drones and missiles. that was planned .... in advance.


like many in this forum, you ramble on about "What MAGA is". well at least you can spell MAGA even if your view of what that means is clueless.

Originally Posted by VitaMan

If you can't see Israel went ahead and acted unilaterally (without the US), you have no clue.

Trump has no leadership skills.

the US knew all along. see above about deadlines.


Trump and Israel played Iran.

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

I'm 100% with you on this. Trump shouldn't have ended the previous deal, but I completely support Israel in this strike. I have no question of Israel's intelligence skill, and if Iran was close it's a good thing for the world they acted. It was them and Stuxnet that put this day off for this long.

disagree with you and Tiny here. the Obama plan was intentionally to allow Iran nuclear weapons. Iran cheated on the agreement, which was not a binding treaty because Obama knew he couldn't get a treaty ratified so he went through the UN for an agreement.


Iran refused any surprise inspections, told the US to rely on Satellites which show nothing of what's really being done in these facilities and when they did allow announced inspections they had weeks in advance to hide anything they didn't want known.


this means the US wasn't bound by any treaty and Trump was correct and well within his powers to end it. the reason why we are where we are is Obama not Trump.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

disagree with you and Tiny here. the Obama plan was intentionally to allow Iran nuclear weapons. Iran cheated on the agreement, which was not a binding treaty because Obama knew he couldn't get a treaty ratified so he went through the UN for an agreement.


Iran refused any surprise inspections, told the US to rely on Satellites which show nothing of what's really being done in these facilities and when they did allow announced inspections they had weeks in advance to hide anything they didn't want known.


this means the US wasn't bound by any treaty and Trump was correct and well within his powers to end it. the reason why we are where we are is Obama not Trump.

You could be right Waco Kid. The editor-in-chief of Haaretz might just agree with you as he appears to believe the treaty jerked the rug out from under Israel when it wanted to wipe out Iran’s nuclear facilities.

I believe we were better with the treaty than without it, as Iran was less likely to progress to a bomb. The sanctions and other pressure Trump put on Iran didn’t do a lot of good IMO. So you had Iran making more progress towards developing nuclear weapons than it would have otherwise. And then more recently Trump was wisely (in my view) trying to negotiate another treaty with Iran. Which would have done what? Take us back to where we were before? That doesn’t make a lot of sense.

But who knows, the end result of this may be that Israel ends the nuclear threat from Iran. And as explained by the Haaretz editor, we probably wouldn’t be where we are now without Trump.

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

disagree with you and Tiny here. the Obama plan was intentionally to allow Iran nuclear weapons. Iran cheated on the agreement, which was not a binding treaty because Obama knew he couldn't get a treaty ratified so he went through the UN for an agreement.


Iran refused any surprise inspections, told the US to rely on Satellites which show nothing of what's really being done in these facilities and when they did allow announced inspections they had weeks in advance to hide anything they didn't want known.


this means the US wasn't bound by any treaty and Trump was correct and well within his powers to end it. the reason why we are where we are is Obama not Trump.

You are correct, and this is the exact reason Stuxnet was launched. But...the problem goes back before both Trump and Obama, so I can't lay all the blame on Obama, nor excuse Trump. The same strikes that happened today could have been done in 2017...and maybe today's actions could have been pushed back another decade. One thing I think we can agree on is, the Mossad is badass and they will do anything to prevent Iran from getting nuclear arms.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

You are correct, and this is the exact reason Stuxnet was launched. But...the problem goes back before both Trump and Obama, so I can't lay all the blame on Obama, nor excuse Trump. The same strikes that happened today could have been done in 2017...and maybe today's actions could have been pushed back another decade. One thing I think we can agree on is, the Mossad is badass and they will do anything to prevent Iran from getting nuclear arms.

as Israel should. and they have quiet support from the rest of the middle east to prevent Iran from doing so. because after Israel the next two targets would be Iraq and Saudi Arabia. and they know it.


if you want to go back in time go back to 1979. pretty sure you know what happened. that whole Iranian revolution bullshit and that little issue about the US Embassy.


let's go back even farther to the end of WWII. in post war middle east the US propped up the Shaw of Iran who moved the country toward a more western civilization. in 1979 if Carter wasn't president a president like Reagan would have used military force. not just to rescue the hostages but to restore the Shaw. yes, as a vassal of the US but far better than what happened. a radical Islamic state