Solution to Gerrymandering

[Devo]

This is fact.

There are four states in this country that have no, ZERO Republicans in their houses of Representatives, because of the way those states have Gerrymandered so well.

PLEASE, show me ONE state that has all R's in their Houses of Reps?

IF there was one, it would be the Keystone of your argument, but its exactly the opposite of what the left claims it is.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Odd to look at it that way when the census released under Biden was labeled as inaccurate by his own administration. One guy fucks it up, admits they fucked it up, but you’re worried about the guy who points it out and wants to correct it. Bizarro World.

Nothing odd about it. The census under Biden knew there were problems and they told the truth about it. So that the administration and Congress could do something about it if they wanted to. That’s accountability.

Trump has publicly demonstrated his willingness to lie, repeatedly, openly, and publicly. He has publicly demonstrated his delusional victimhood. He has publicly fired people in his own administration when he thinks they are un loyal and unwilling to go along with his delusional lies.

I really don’t want the Census to be manipulated by the Trump / MAGA political machine in an attempt to gain political advantage / power.

Which this entire issue seems to be about.

[txdot-guy]

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/t...rymander-myth/

The gerrymander myth
…
So why do so many well-informed observers believe that House elections structurally favor Republicans? The short answer is that until recently, they did. Here are the results of the four elections in the Tea Party era:

Democrats Republicans Proportional* Actual Difference
2010 44.9 51.7 233 242 +9
2012 48.8 47.7 215 234 +19
2014 45.5 51.2 230 247 +17
2016 48.0 49.1 220 241 +21

What changed? Two hypotheses fit the facts. First, Republicans caught Democrats flat-footed in the redistricting that followed the 2010 Census. Putting together a powerful plan called REDMAP, Redistricting Majority Project, they used sophisticated new software to gain Republican seats and translated their strong showing in state gubernatorial and legislative elections into district lines that favored their candidates.

And second, because Democratic voters were more geographically concentrated in urban areas than Republicans were in the rest of the country, Republicans could more efficiently translate votes into House seats than could Democrats, who won supermajorities in urban areas but lost contested elections elsewhere. This made possible anomalies such as 2012, when Republicans ended up with a healthy majority of 234 seats, even though they lost the national popular vote.

[Jacuzzme]

Right. You trust the guys who deserve none by demonstrating their incompetence but not those who haven’t. That’s some seriously illogical logic.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Right. You trust the guys who deserve none by demonstrating their incompetence but not those who haven’t. That’s some seriously illogical logic.

It’s not incompetence it was the pandemic. The problems would have been the same regardless of who was in charge at the time.

Read the article.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...he-2020-census

[Jacuzzme]

And they didn’t address the problems, why? 100% incompetence. When you face known challenges you adapt and overcome, not knowingly fuck it up. Doesn’t really matter, the census was bogus and should be corrected, just as the President stated.

[Devo]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

It’s not incompetence it was the pandemic. The problems would have been the same regardless of who was in charge at the time.

Read the article.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...he-2020-census

PBS?????????

He wants us to read something from PBS..........

Does it involve Trans Dinosaurs or something cogent to the truth.

Because everything they do anymore has a 100 bias against everythng normal.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

And they didn’t address the problems, why? 100% incompetence. When you face known challenges you adapt and overcome, not knowingly fuck it up. Doesn’t really matter, the census was bogus and should be corrected, just as the President stated.

Until you address the whole person's issue it's a waste of time

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

And they didn’t address the problems, why? 100% incompetence. When you face known challenges you adapt and overcome, not knowingly fuck it up. Doesn’t really matter, the census was bogus and should be corrected, just as the President stated.

... Agreed.

... And NOW we see President Trump seeking to correct things.

#### Salty

[Iceman]

[Salty Again]

... THANKS for posting those, mate! ...

#### Salty

[alanbourdilliontreherne]

In as much as the SCOTUS is concerned they can't just 'make a ruling' or 'issue an opinion'. There has to be a case presented to them in regards to a specific aspect law that is in dispute. The SCOTUS then reviews the evidence and renders their judgement on the nature of the dispute based upon precedent and case law. Precedent being a specific prior decision by a court that is used as an example or rule for deciding later, similar cases. Case Law is the body of all such decisions taken together — basically, the accumulated library of precedents. So until one party files a suit and it works its way through the Lower Courts (which could take months or years) SCOTUS will never take up the issue.

In the case of the Texas Democrats who have fled the state to avoid a quorum, I'm afraid that the law is not in their favor. They tried this three previous times (’73, ’03, ’21) and each time the tactic failed. And they They CAN legally be removed from office should they stay away indefinitely. Under Texas Election Code § 171.029, a legally elected public servant who fails to perform statutory duties or misses four or more consecutive executive committee meetings may be removed for abandonment of office. - Justia, Texas.Public.Law
Further, officials who willfully fail to perform their legal duties may face civil actions, such as official misconduct, or be removed via quo warranto proceedings. For instance, refusal to execute duties can amount to official misconduct under Texas law. -Justi, Texas Statue.

PS - I am not a lawyer although I have studied the law during my undergrad and graduate work oh so many years ago. So take what I've said with a grain of salt. I fully admit that I might be FOS.

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... And you're certainly entitled to yer-own opinion, mate.
As am I.

... I would like to see a fair and accurate Census count
that doesn't include the illegals - who should be going out.

... One thing President Trump shows us every day -
"Honesty IS the Best Policy!" ... ...

#### Salty

Based on your own assertion- The COUNT includes illegals. How do you/ they or anyone else know that? Further, if you know it imperically does include illegals by a count of data and not just an arbitrary claim 'that it does', then it would also be just as easily re-calculated to diss-include those who are not US citizens.

However,

that is not how or why our census is done. It's done to give a fair representation of who lives in the country in general:

The US Census collects a wide range of data including demographic, economic, housing, and social information. This includes data on population size and growth, as well as detailed characteristics of communities and the economy. Specifically, the Census Bureau gathers information on age, sex, race, ethnicity, marital status, household composition, educational attainment, employment status, income, housing characteristics, and more.


Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Demographic Data: This includes information about the population's age, sex, race, ethnicity, marital status, household composition, and family characteristics.

Economic Data: The Census Bureau collects data on employment status, occupation, industry, income, poverty status, and participation in the labor force.

Housing Data: This includes information on the value of homes, rent, housing type, occupancy status, and characteristics of the housing units.

Social Data: This category covers a broad range of topics such as education, including field of degree and school enrollment, internet and computer use, ancestry, and citizenship status.
Other Data: The Census Bureau also collects data on transportation, health insurance, and other aspects of daily life.

what is the biggest difference in a GOP census and DEM one-- is that the GOP was to exclude as many people as possible, so that their christian nationalist viewpoint can become the accepted norm, when in fact, this country is truely a melting pot of all different soles. Not just ppl who look like them, act like them, think like them, and are a mirror image of them.

Lastly- innacuracy of the census favors traditional rural white americans. It is not adhered to by non-english or poor english speakers, and certain groups are less likely to reply for a multitude of reasons, The discrepancies are mostly with asian and arab speakers who are estimated to be 40-50% higher than what is recorded. Mostly because they do not understand the purpose or the magnitude of the results of the census. Ppl saying it's inaccurate due to over-counting of foreigners, are both mistaken and sadly informed.

Would you fill out a form if you thought it wasn't purposeful or would get you perhaps in trouble.. Fuck NO you wouldn't. Look at all the junk mail you get at home or via email and how much just gets tossed, cause you don't think it's in your interest. SAME thing with these ppl. They certainly are NOT over-reporting!

[txdot-guy]

For anyone truly interested in a solution to gerrymandering. A good opinion piece on a mathematical geometry led approach to creating population based districts using a measure that they have named the “Relative Proximity Index.”

Here is the article in archive form. https://archive.ph/P1FLJ

Picture every voter as a dot on the state map. First, we pin down the geometric minimum — the most compact way to bundle those dots inside the state’s jagged borders into its exact number of congressional districts, each with equal population, whether that means wrapping around Florida’s panhandle or hugging Georgia’s slanted shoulder. Then we compare the map the legislature actually draws to that floor. The ratio is the Relative Proximity Index. An R.P.I. of 1 means you’ve hit the geometric ideal; an R.P.I. of 3 means voters within a district would live — on average — three times farther apart than necessary.

The article is fairly comprehensive and fairly short. I would recommend everyone read it.