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Old Yesterday, 04:33 PM   #91
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... Why? ... Because they want Trump to fail, mate.
They hope and pray that Trump's "Deal of the Century"
- a resolution between Ukraine and Russia - doesn't succeed.

The liberals have little else - the Dems are a shambles
- so they look for other nations to attack Trump.

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TACO is a pussy and Putin just fucked him.
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Old Yesterday, 05:32 PM   #92
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Sir Tony Brenton had an interesting take on the meeting on CNN this afternoon. Brenton is a career British civil servant and old Russia hand who served as Britain's ambassador to Russia from 2004 to 2008, during Labour Party administrations.

Witkoff said today Russia was willing to accept security guarantees from the U.S. and other nations, akin to NATO's Title 5. Title 5 states that an armed attack against one NATO member is an attack against them all. Conversations between the Trump administration and European officials appear to confirm that Russia has agreed to accept robust security guarantees for Ukraine.

Brenton said Russia didn't and won't agree, under any circumstances, to Ukrainian membership in NATO. But a guarantee like what Witkoff described is just as good.

Brenton in fact believes the two countries now have a good path towards peace. And the meeting this Friday may be the beginning of the end. The security guarantee was the most problematic stumbling block.

I heard that Hillary Clinton's going to nominate Donald Trump for a Nobel Peace Price if he pulls this off! Wouldn't that be something! That would be a magnanimous gesture, and a great way to start putting this divided country back together again.
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Old Yesterday, 05:55 PM   #93
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TACO is a pussy and Putin just fucked him.

if you say so


Putin agreed to let U.S., Europe offer NATO-style protections for Ukraine, Trump envoy says

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine...ty-guarantees/



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Sir Tony Brenton had an interesting take on the meeting on CNN this afternoon. Brenton is a career British civil servant and old Russia hand who served as Britain's ambassador to Russia from 2004 to 2008, during Labour Party administrations.

Witkoff said today Russia was willing to accept security guarantees from the U.S. and other nations, akin to NATO's Title 5. Title 5 states that an armed attack against one NATO member is an attack against them all. Conversations between the Trump administration and European officials appear to confirm that Russia has agreed to accept robust security guarantees for Ukraine.

Brenton said Russia didn't and won't agree, under any circumstances, to Ukrainian membership in NATO. But a guarantee like what Witkoff described is just as good.

Brenton in fact believes the two countries now have a good path towards peace. And the meeting this Friday may be the beginning of the end. The security guarantee was the most problematic stumbling block.

I heard that Hillary Clinton's going to nominate Donald Trump for a Nobel Peace Price if he pulls this off! Wouldn't that be something! That would be a magnanimous gesture, and a great way to start putting this divided country back together again.

it was always about NATO. and the referendum for the Donetsk region to be annexed by Russia
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... Why? ... Because they want Trump to fail, mate.
They hope and pray that Trump's "Deal of the Century"
- a resolution between Ukraine and Russia - doesn't succeed.

The liberals have little else - the Dems are a shambles
- so they look for other nations to attack Trump.

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Can you point out where the libbys say they don't want a mutually agreed upon deal between all parties?

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Diaper Don may be president, but a deal maker he is not. Diaper Don is a joke and the world is laughing at him and us 🤣
And Russians too.

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Can’t trust anything Putin puts forth. And anyone that believes that Ukraine will get article 5 style protection in a deal is foolish. Putin says that today but will sink it with more requirements that will make implementation impossible. He wants Ukraine disarmed, that’s crazy. And he wants Ukraine to cede more territory than they’ve actually lost. Again, crazy. You pro-peace at any cost folks are simply playing into Russian’s hands.
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Old Today, 05:46 AM   #96
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Can’t trust anything Putin puts forth. And anyone that believes that Ukraine will get article 5 style protection in a deal is foolish. Putin says that today but will sink it with more requirements that will make implementation impossible. He wants Ukraine disarmed, that’s crazy. And he wants Ukraine to cede more territory than they’ve actually lost. Again, crazy. You pro-peace at any cost folks are simply playing into Russian’s hands.
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Old Today, 10:34 AM   #97
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I heard that Hillary Clinton's going to nominate Donald Trump for a Nobel Peace Price if he pulls this off! Wouldn't that be something! That would be a magnanimous gesture, and a great way to start putting this divided country back together again.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary...s-ukraine-war/ Click here for the full article.

Hillary Clinton says she'd nominate Trump for Nobel Peace Prize if he ends Ukraine war without giving territory to Russia

Washington — Hillary Clinton, the former secretary of state and President Trump's former rival on the presidential campaign trail, said Friday that if Mr. Trump secures an end to the war in Ukraine without Kyiv ceding territory to Russia, she would nominate him for the Nobel Peace Prize herself.

What are the odds of Putin giving up territory including Crimea?
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Old Today, 11:06 AM   #98
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President Trump has a multitude of European Leaders at the White House at this moment.

They are there to meet with the President of The United States.

Could it be President Trump knows exactly what he is doing?
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Old Today, 11:18 AM   #99
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No. They are there for the exact opposite reason, they know he is clueless.
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